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Ariza vs. Chandler
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ItalianStallion
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4/21/2009  10:08 PM
Alan Hahn and Mike from Knickerblogger have been comparing the two. Thoughts?

Their same age stats are included here: http://www.knickerblogger.net/?p=1644

Personally, I would take Chandler over Ariza.

Ariza tends to take higher quality shots. That accounts for his higher FG%. He also gets to the free throw line more often. Both those things tend to help his overall shooting efficiency (TS%). However, overall, Chandler is the more productive offensive player per 36 minutes. I think that makes them about a wash offensively. Their rebounds, assists, blks, steals, and tovs are also close to a wash, with each player having a small edge in different areas.

The reason I would take Chandler over Ariza is that Ariza had way more NBA experience at the same age as Chandler and has looked like a more seasoned player than Chandler does now for a few seasons. He actually has not improved all that much in the last few years (other than his outside shot).

Look at Ariza's Per 36 minute stats each year here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/arizatr01.html

Chandler is still basically a rookie with many easily identifiable areas of improvement that are likely to occur if he makes any effort at all in the off season (he did improve in many areas this year over his limited season last year).

Look at the improvement in FT%, eFG%, TS%, PTs Per 36 etc.. here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chandwi01.html

His only significantly declining area was rebounds Per 36, but he showed huge improvement in March and April when D'Antoni asked him to rebound more.

Also, even though playing with superstars like Kobe, Gasol, etc.. only helps a role player at the margin (small enough to be difficult to seperate from other factors), it's obvious that great players draw double teams. That has to make it easier for their teammates by getting them an occasional wide open shot (just ask Ariza if he likes playing with Kobe - rotflmao). It's likely that Ariza's improved outside shot for LA these days (which is still worse than Chandler's) is at least "partially" the result of getting better looks because of Kobe. If Chandler was getting those same high quality looks slightly more often, his shooting stats would also improve at the margin.

Finally, If Chandler starts getting to the free throw line more often by being consistently aggressive, there will be no comparison between the two offensively because Ariza is a fairly weak FT shooter and Chandler is becoming a very good one. He made huge strides this year over last year.

On defense, Ariza has a very good reputation (tough to prove how good statistically), but Chandler is no slouch either - being able to guard 3 positions and also improving from last year.







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djsunyc
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4/21/2009  10:20 PM
comparing two players in the nba is a futile futile futile exercise.

each player is dependent on 4 other players on the court and their coach and his philosophy.
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4/21/2009  10:21 PM
I'll take Chandler because of his greater potential.
It seems like Ariza may be getting close to his ceiling, while Chandler is younger and has potential to increase to dramatically better levels of play.

The only question is whether Chandler has the drive (which Ariza certainly seems to have) to reach that potential status.

I was especially happy to hear that Chandler would be spending extra time this summer to improve parts of his game.

In time I think it will be clear that Chadler is / was the better player
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4/21/2009  10:31 PM
Ariza plays with Kobe, Gasol, Bynum, Odom.. all he has to do is gamble the passing lanes (which he does) and run the break for easy hoops. Chandler, I think, is a more complete player.
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4/22/2009  1:15 AM
Chandler is way better. C'mon now.
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4/22/2009  2:02 AM
Chandler's offensive game is so much more refined than Ariza... Ariza is a good role player, Chandler has a chance to become an Allstar.
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4/22/2009  7:37 AM
Both are great draft day gems. A hell of lot better than Luke Jackson and Julian Wright. Beware of the lottery.
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4/22/2009  8:02 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

comparing two players in the nba is a futile futile futile exercise.

each player is dependent on 4 other players on the court and their coach and his philosophy.
like comparing fat chicks and skinny ones. I agree... just too many factors

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4/22/2009  9:12 AM
Fat chicks give off to much heat.

Skinny chicks talk too much.

sheesh
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4/22/2009  10:09 AM
A lot of players would look good as the 5th option in the Lakes offense.

Reezy is a great fit for that team. Im glad he is doing well in his hometown.
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4/22/2009  10:23 AM
Posted by TMS:

Chandler's offensive game is so much more refined than Ariza... Ariza is a good role player, Chandler has a chance to become an Allstar.


Yea, and the difference is this.. Ariza has gotten better hitting the open shot, chandler can put the ball on the floor and create his own shot.. something ariza doesn't do, and when he attempts to do so, doesn't look that good....

I like chandler better... Much more upside, and his game now is better...
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4/22/2009  10:35 AM
Its surprising this is actually a debate...


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4/22/2009  12:43 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by djsunyc:

comparing two players in the nba is a futile futile futile exercise.

each player is dependent on 4 other players on the court and their coach and his philosophy.
like comparing fat chicks and skinny ones. I agree... just too many factors

Fat chicks... Eddy comes to mind.
Skinny ones... Jamal.
Both Ariza and chan are right size chicks.
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4/22/2009  4:22 PM
Ariza can't put the ball on the floor and that's unheard of for a dude his age. He gets by on his length and athletic ability. He can't finish in traffic either, unless he can get a open lane or jump over whoever is in front of him.

Chandler can play the 3, 2, and 4....very well I might add. That to me ends all discussion.
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4/22/2009  4:27 PM
I can't think of one aspect of the game that Ariza is better than Chandler at except that Ariza knows how to play the passing lanes well. And even that might be up for debate because it is easier to get steals if you have other players around you that can play some good help defense.
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4/22/2009  5:12 PM
Is Kirk Snyder still alive? Man, I remember how Knick fans were upset about missing out on him and just getting Ariza out of the 2004 draft.
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4/22/2009  5:18 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Is Kirk Snyder still alive? Man, I remember how Knick fans were upset about missing out on him and just getting Ariza out of the 2004 draft.

I was a big Luke Jackson guy. Still don't know he sucked as hard as he did.
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4/22/2009  8:27 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:

Its surprising this is actually a debate...



Much to my surprise, people have actually stuck up for Chandler in this thread rather than idealizing another jersey.
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4/22/2009  10:01 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by djsunyc:

comparing two players in the nba is a futile futile futile exercise.

each player is dependent on 4 other players on the court and their coach and his philosophy.
like comparing fat chicks and skinny ones. I agree... just too many factors

Fat chicks... Eddy comes to mind.
Skinny ones... Jamal.
Both Ariza and chan are right size chicks.

Dude.
I don't know what kind of "chicks" you're dating, but neither of those two came to mind for me.
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