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Let's say we end up w/the #8 pick in the lottery... Which plan of action would you take?
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Let's say we end up w/the #8 pick in the lottery... Would you guys:
keep the pick & take BPA (& who would u realistically target w/that pick?)
try to trade up to get a chance at one of the better prospects using Lee or Nate (& who would u realistically target?)
buy or trade for an extra late round pick & parlay the 2 picks to try & move up (& who would u realistically target?)
trade the pick to move down & gain an extra pick (& who would u realistically target w/those picks)
trade the pick along w/Lee, Nate & whatever other assets it will take to get an established star NBA player like Amare or Bosh.
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4/3/2009  7:19 PM
I would like to buy a later pick, and I would target a guy like Terrance williams with our later pick. I think that kid is going to be a fantastic pro player.. He can do just about everything on the court..

with our first pick, assuming it is #8, I would hope one of the top PG's drop, but if not, then I would look at an earl clark or cole aldrich..
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4/3/2009  10:55 PM
I'm not sure you can buy a pick & combo it with ours to move up- a bunch of lotto teams ahead of us already have 2nd picks later in the first round.

Still- of those scenarios- we have cash.

As far as trading Lee & Nate- I think its hard since they are RFA- and regardless, we need to try to be much better in 2009/10.
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4/3/2009  11:21 PM
If none of the top guys on still on the board like a DeRozan or Jennings. Brackins scare me at #8. And I think the Knicks will just miss Aldrich. I don't think the Knicks will look at Chase either so I would trade down. Although this is a bad year to trade down since most teams own their own picks and the teams that don't are actually already ahead of the Knicks (pre-lottery), Minny and OKC. I thinking maybe Minny is an option but they're really looking to add another lottery pick to their cap space.

But with that plan, I think you will have to seriously look at Teague or Mullens (if he is still there) because I don't see Maynor still being on the board at that point in middle first round. Both Teague and Mullens look to have solid NBA careers ahead of them. I think by now we all know on this forum about these two players and what they could bring to the Knicks.

For that second pick I would target myself Taj Gibson if he comes out. It would probably be an early selection for him but I think he is an underated player like Boozer coming out. Gibson fits D'Antoni system of fast pace basketball, plays defense, play in and out of the post, very good reliable jumper from the games I seen and has a nice attitude. I think he will get stronger too.

Also, Teague and Gibson would be solid replacements for both Nate and Lee if you lose them or in a sign and trade for a veteran center and a future pick.

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4/3/2009  11:25 PM
Some of those options are not realistic as Franco mentioned. I already posted why trading Lee and Nate violates the CBA for a pick. It would have to be a future pick in a sign and trade. Also, I don't see teams giving up a pick when they know that the Knicks eyes are on 2010. Simply call their buff. If anything it hurts the Knicks in 2010.
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4/4/2009  12:43 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

If none of the top guys on still on the board like a DeRozan or Jennings. Brackins scare me at #8. And I think the Knicks will just miss Aldrich. I don't think the Knicks will look at Chase either so I would trade down. Although this is a bad year to trade down since most teams own their own picks and the teams that don't are actually already ahead of the Knicks (pre-lottery), Minny and OKC. I thinking maybe Minny is an option but they're really looking to add another lottery pick to their cap space.

But with that plan, I think you will have to seriously look at Teague or Mullens (if he is still there) because I don't see Maynor still being on the board at that point in middle first round. Both Teague and Mullens look to have solid NBA careers ahead of them. I think by now we all know on this forum about these two players and what they could bring to the Knicks.

For that second pick I would target myself Taj Gibson if he comes out. It would probably be an early selection for him but I think he is an underated player like Boozer coming out. Gibson fits D'Antoni system of fast pace basketball, plays defense, play in and out of the post, very good reliable jumper from the games I seen and has a nice attitude. I think he will get stronger too.

Also, Teague and Gibson would be solid replacements for both Nate and Lee if you lose them or in a sign and trade for a veteran center and a future pick.

I think it is possible Mullens slips a bit in this draft which would give us an opportunity to use money and future 1 to buy in and grab him. As far as 8 I would be very happy with either Evans or Derozan and I think one or the other may be there. I like Teague but I don't see the Knicks taking a 6-2 combo guard. I think Evans playing point would give us a mismatch night mare for other teams. He might have the best handle in the draft and he's 6-6.
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4/4/2009  1:37 AM
If we don't get pick 1 we should do everything in our power to get Evans. If were lucky enough to get pick 2 or 3 in the lottery than just take him. If we are not in the top 3 and pick 8 go get him and promise him the stage of NY and the 8th pick IF he dOES not work out for anyone else. He is the second star of this draft--he is the guy--he has star talent and can go from the PG position day 1.
Im going to tell you this emphatically----Tyreke Evans is a game changer for this team. Im dead sure on this guy.

Two things that will make Tyreke great.

1. He must utilize his incredible handle ability to separate and push the ball up court using a pass first mentality. Of course take the easy points at the rim but don't settle for long range jumpshots running from the 1 guard. Use the dribble to create for others. he has to cut down on the time he handles the ball as well--Get into a move and either drive shoot or dish off separation but he cant ball hog.

2.I think he has a chance to be a great outside shooter because of his strength. He actually has a flaw where he fades back from like 30 feet when he doesnt need do do it. I don't know how he picked up this hitch with his size but it is certainly correctable. His lower body mechanics on his shot need an overhaul.

That being said--he would help us out immediately with tremendous length on the 1 guard defensively--one of our biggest problems. He's strong long knows how to play and highly skilled with extreme confidence. He seems to like contact is an excellent rebounder from the 1 guard--has Jason Kidd ability there to grab a rebound and push it up court into a play. His handle for 6-5 is incredible. He withers through defenses with ease and can score at the rim with either hand. He's very skilled at getting to the rim. At 6-5 he will be able to see the court incredibly well on offense and in some cases will be able to post up his own man in the halfcourt. He's an impact player for this type of team. A few tweaks and you have one helluva player.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 04-04-2009 10:34 AM]
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4/4/2009  10:56 AM
trade down there isnt one sure fire all star in this draft. Blake Griffin is about 6-8 and will be a fine player but he has a lot of work to do. He cant overpower guys in the pros.
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4/4/2009  12:09 PM
Can we draft Michael Sweetney again?
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4/4/2009  12:19 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

Can we draft Michael Sweetney again?

Does Blair=Sweetney??
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Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by BasketballJones:

Can we draft Michael Sweetney again?

Does Blair=Sweetney??

Blair is quicker and I think Mike Sweetney might have had some kind of serious depression-- he had mental issues. Blair is as tough mentally as you get.
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4/4/2009  1:38 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by BasketballJones:

Can we draft Michael Sweetney again?

Does Blair=Sweetney??

Blair is quicker and I think Mike Sweetney might have had some kind of serious depression-- he had mental issues. Blair is as tough mentally as you get.

Sweetney issue was that his father died right after he got drafted, I think right before training camp. He was very close to his father if I remember correctly. Depression caused him to put on a lot more weight as he stated.
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4/4/2009  2:18 PM
Sweetney's career and stats on Georgetown were as good or better than Blair's if you check them out.

You can go after Sweetney for how he performed after he was drafted, but he put up good stats and played at a top college playing against top competition.

If he was coming into the draft now with the stats and 3 year history he had a Georgetown, he would be talked about as a top 5 pick.

Blair will find a spot on some team in the NBA and will have his moments (there is always a place in the league for a banger), but his size, lack of polished offensive skills, and a propensity to get into foul trouble will make him a limited player IMO.

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 04-04-2009 2:19 PM]
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4/4/2009  2:53 PM
stay away from Blair unless he somehow slips to us w/our 2nd rounder... IMO if we can't get 1 of the following guys at #8, i'd trade down & pick up an extra pick & hope Mullens & either Teague or Maynor fall to us.

(assuming Griffin will be the #1 pick)

Derozan
Jennings
Thabeet
Evans
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4/4/2009  4:49 PM
knicks should trade trade trade and buy buy buy players this offseason.
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4/4/2009  4:59 PM
if we can get Amare or Bosh using our #8 pick & any combination of Lee, Nate & Harrington or Hughes, i'd do that first & foremost.
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4/4/2009  5:01 PM
Posted by TMS:

if we can get Amare or Bosh using our #8 pick & any combination of Lee, Nate & Harrington or Hughes, i'd do that first & foremost.

There should be an opportunity to do that I think. And they may be able to pick up another star level guy to run with either of those players. I'm still pretty lukewarm on Bosh. I think you need to have at least a couple of other top notch guys with him.
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4/4/2009  5:05 PM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by TMS:

if we can get Amare or Bosh using our #8 pick & any combination of Lee, Nate & Harrington or Hughes, i'd do that first & foremost.

There should be an opportunity to do that I think. And they may be able to pick up another star level guy to run with either of those players. I'm still pretty lukewarm on Bosh. I think you need to have at least a couple of other top notch guys with him.

i agree w/u on Bosh (& Amare both), they would need another superstar guy to roll w/them, but getting 1 is the first step... attracting the other is the next step... i think if there's an opportunity to make a play for either of those guys this offseason then Donnie's gonna go for it.
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4/4/2009  5:15 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by TMS:

if we can get Amare or Bosh using our #8 pick & any combination of Lee, Nate & Harrington or Hughes, i'd do that first & foremost.

There should be an opportunity to do that I think. And they may be able to pick up another star level guy to run with either of those players. I'm still pretty lukewarm on Bosh. I think you need to have at least a couple of other top notch guys with him.

i agree w/u on Bosh (& Amare both), they would need another superstar guy to roll w/them, but getting 1 is the first step... attracting the other is the next step... i think if there's an opportunity to make a play for either of those guys this offseason then Donnie's gonna go for it.

Question is if you get one of these guys- would you want them to roll with someone like Vince Carter who you could get on the cheap (expirings?). And then maybe also try and add a player like Camby on the cheap and short term to help sure up your and make a big run at the playoffs? In this scenario, you bank on Gallo, Chandler and the no.1 pick to develop and allow you to be competetive long term while you put a better product on the floor right now.
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4/4/2009  5:30 PM
that's a good question... if we could somehow land Bosh or Amare using Lee, Nate, Harrington & our pick (i don't think we get those guys w/o including the pick) & NJ offers up Vince for say Q Rich & Hughes' expirings, i'd probably have to do it & take my chances for 2010... i can't really stand Vince but he's still very good, & if u could get him for so cheap & had another stud bigman to pair him with, we would only have to deal w/his contract for 1 more season... that's of course ONLY if we can get a stud bigman like Bosh or Amare to play with him... otherwise it's not even worth the trouble... even still we'd have Chandler & Gallo involved in key roles in the rotation w/a good enough team to make some noise in the playoffs next year... still i'm not convinced Donnie would go for a guy like Vince & i'd have no problem waiting out a year w/only 1 star guy & working to unload Jefferies or Curry's contract in time to make a run at another in 2010
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4/4/2009  5:40 PM
I said it last year, and I'll say it this year.

Draft T.Hansbrough. Hansbrough is D.Lee only better. Drafting him will allow the Knicks to S&T Lee for whatever they need.
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