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ItalianStallion
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4/1/2009  12:40 PM
A few nights ago I saw an interview with coach D'Antoni where he was discussing Wilson Chandler and his potential. Besides the obvious (needs to improve his shot selection), he suggested they were tying to get Wilson to fill out the stat sheet better. I was looking at his recent stats and it's clear he has been rebounding much better over the last few weeks (over 7 a game). Last night he had 8 boards, but he also had 3 steals and 4 blocked shots.

Last summer he made huge strides at the FT line. If he can improve his shot selection and FG% a bit this summer and continue filling out the stat sheet better, I think he'll finally become the above average SF many of us expect him to be.


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4/1/2009  2:44 PM
Yea, he's starting to break out for the 11th time.
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4/1/2009  8:41 PM
Posted by SeattleStew:

A few nights ago I saw an interview with coach D'Antoni where he was discussing Wilson Chandler and his potential. Besides the obvious (needs to improve his shot selection), he suggested they were tying to get Wilson to fill out the stat sheet better. I was looking at his recent stats and it's clear he has been rebounding much better over the last few weeks (over 7 a game). Last night he had 8 boards, but he also had 3 steals and 4 blocked shots.

Last summer he made huge strides at the FT line. If he can improve his shot selection and FG% a bit this summer and continue filling out the stat sheet better, I think he'll finally become the above average SF many of us expect him to be.
Yea I agree but it was needed much earlier in the season. Hopefully next yr he can bring consistent production


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Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Yea, he's starting to break out for the 11th time.

LOL.

He's still dumb as bricks though and that will never change. He'd be a good backup for a good team. Nothing more. He's definitely a 7th or 8th man you bring in. So in that I would not mind retaining him yet if a good trade comes along and we need to use him to grease the wheels of that trade? Fine by me.
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4/1/2009  9:01 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Yea, he's starting to break out for the 11th time.

LOL.

He's still dumb as bricks though and that will never change. He'd be a good backup for a good team. Nothing more. He's definitely a 7th or 8th man you bring in. So in that I would not mind retaining him yet if a good trade comes along and we need to use him to grease the wheels of that trade? Fine by me.

I see patience is not one of your strong points. Your basically not allowing a player to develop, how can you go through a rebuilding phase with that kind of attitude. Next year Chandlers numbers get better that is the natural progression of players.
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4/1/2009  9:04 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Yea, he's starting to break out for the 11th time.

LOL.

He's still dumb as bricks though and that will never change. He'd be a good backup for a good team. Nothing more. He's definitely a 7th or 8th man you bring in. So in that I would not mind retaining him yet if a good trade comes along and we need to use him to grease the wheels of that trade? Fine by me.

I don't know if your being sarcastic or this is your true feelings, but if it's the latter, your being a little harsh on the guy. If wilsons dumb as bricks then so is the whole team.

This system if not played the right way, makes it look like we have 5 jc's on the floor. you cant tell me your comfortable with anyone of these guy's in the clutch. There's a bad shot or turnover waiting at any giving time with anyone of these idiots down the stretch
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Posted by knicks1248:

I don't know if your being sarcastic or this is your true feelings, but if it's the latter, your being a little harsh on the guy. If wilsons dumb as bricks then so is the whole team.

This system if not played the right way, makes it look like we have 5 jc's on the floor. you cant tell me your comfortable with anyone of these guy's in the clutch. There's a bad shot or turnover waiting at any giving time with anyone of these idiots down the stretch

No sarcasm involved I feel Wilson Chandler is a very low IQ player. He makes mistakes that go far beyond being a young player and I doubt that changes. He is a very inconsistent player. He will never be anything more than a backup player unless he lucks into a role like how Ariza has with the Lakers. Where he is at best the fifth best player on an exceptional team.

Some want to pencil him in as our starting SF for the next decade. I just don't see it.


Posted by Vmart:

I see patience is not one of your strong points. Your basically not allowing a player to develop, how can you go through a rebuilding phase with that kind of attitude. Next year Chandlers numbers get better that is the natural progression of players.

I have no problem being patient but I see what I see. Chandler is not a smart player. He has some good games. He also has some horrendous games. He commits a large number of foolish mistakes. I do not see a learning curve in his inconsistent play. I see a pattern. I see a well established erratic player. I see a solid bench player for a very good team. I do not see a star. I do not see a solid starting player. He's an erratic backup player.
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Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by knicks1248:

I don't know if your being sarcastic or this is your true feelings, but if it's the latter, your being a little harsh on the guy. If wilsons dumb as bricks then so is the whole team.

This system if not played the right way, makes it look like we have 5 jc's on the floor. you cant tell me your comfortable with anyone of these guy's in the clutch. There's a bad shot or turnover waiting at any giving time with anyone of these idiots down the stretch

No sarcasm involved I feel Wilson Chandler is a very low IQ player. He makes mistakes that go far beyond being a young player and I doubt that changes. He is a very inconsistent player. He will never be anything more than a backup player unless he lucks into a role like how Ariza has with the Lakers. Where he is at best the fifth best player on an exceptional team.

Some want to pencil him in as our starting SF for the next decade. I just don't see it.


Posted by Vmart:

I see patience is not one of your strong points. Your basically not allowing a player to develop, how can you go through a rebuilding phase with that kind of attitude. Next year Chandlers numbers get better that is the natural progression of players.

I have no problem being patient but I see what I see. Chandler is not a smart player. He has some good games. He also has some horrendous games. He commits a large number of foolish mistakes. I do not see a learning curve in his inconsistent play. I see a pattern. I see a well established erratic player. I see a solid bench player for a very good team. I do not see a star. I do not see a solid starting player. He's an erratic backup player.

Yet, you somehow see Gallinari as a possible star with his 3 point shooting. Hmm... I wonder if basketball is the only thing we are talking about here.
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4/1/2009  10:40 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by knicks1248:

I don't know if your being sarcastic or this is your true feelings, but if it's the latter, your being a little harsh on the guy. If wilsons dumb as bricks then so is the whole team.

This system if not played the right way, makes it look like we have 5 jc's on the floor. you cant tell me your comfortable with anyone of these guy's in the clutch. There's a bad shot or turnover waiting at any giving time with anyone of these idiots down the stretch

No sarcasm involved I feel Wilson Chandler is a very low IQ player. He makes mistakes that go far beyond being a young player and I doubt that changes. He is a very inconsistent player. He will never be anything more than a backup player unless he lucks into a role like how Ariza has with the Lakers. Where he is at best the fifth best player on an exceptional team.

Some want to pencil him in as our starting SF for the next decade. I just don't see it.


Posted by Vmart:

I see patience is not one of your strong points. Your basically not allowing a player to develop, how can you go through a rebuilding phase with that kind of attitude. Next year Chandlers numbers get better that is the natural progression of players.

I have no problem being patient but I see what I see. Chandler is not a smart player. He has some good games. He also has some horrendous games. He commits a large number of foolish mistakes. I do not see a learning curve in his inconsistent play. I see a pattern. I see a well established erratic player. I see a solid bench player for a very good team. I do not see a star. I do not see a solid starting player. He's an erratic backup player.


His inconsistency is due to being a young player. You have to remember this is his first full season, last year he played very little. Basically he is a rookie this year. In baseball if a player doesn't have a certain amount of at bats in his rookie season he is still considered a rookie the next year. I feel the same holds for Chandler he is only going to get better with a full season under his belt its only up for him.
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4/2/2009  6:50 AM
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"I have no problem being patient but I see what I see. Chandler is not a smart player."

This constant reference to Wilson Chandler's so-called "intelligence" feels like a holdover from the past stereotypes that were arbitrarily attached to particular athletes perceived as athletically gifted but somehow inferior based on their assumed mental capacity. This practice dates back to the years when Latin baseball players were labelled as moody or recalcitrant because of how they were perceived by the local press that failed to understand you would be moody too if someone refused to understand that it is difficult to order a decent meal in a foreign country that is one of the few countries in the "civilized" world that speaks only one language.

Wilson Chandler is a young player who makes young mistakes. But let's continue...


"He has some good games. He also has some horrendous games. He commits a large number of foolish mistakes."

Large number of foolish mistakes would infer that his turnovers are off the charts. They are not. As a matter of fact, for a player who is matched up against the best scorers in the league, I would offer that his anticipation and tenacity against the likes of Kobe, Carmelo and Lebron far outweigh any "foolish" mistakes as Chandler has given an honest and focused effort. Has has had some off shooting nights? Who hasn't? His fg percentages are not hideous, despite him falling in love with the three at times, that is NOT a sign of faulty IQ, but more the bravado of youth that he will learn to harness.

"Large number of foolish mistakes" is just bs.

" I do not see a learning curve in his inconsistent play. I see a pattern. I see a well established erratic player."

From a player who just received consistent minutes this season? This is a virtual rookie being dissed in public.

Cosmic - "I see a well established erratic player."

The Answer Man sees a player with upside who can play three positions. Anyone who has ever picked u a basketball understands that versatility requires knowledge of the game from 3 different angles. It requires intelligence. If Mike D'Antoni didn't see something positive in Chandler (and D'Antoni is an intelligent fellow) they why does Chandler continually get extended minutes at guard, forward and occasionally jump center?

Cosmic - " I see a solid bench player for a very good team."

The Answer Man sees a young starter on a Knicks 09 roster playing with a deficiency at center, a lead guard playing while injured and next to a power forward who gets pushed around on defense.

Fact

The steady development of the 22 year old (and durable) Wilson Chandler is one of the bright spots of this season.
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4/2/2009  7:13 AM
Has Chandler missed any games this season?

Fact

Wilson Chandler has played in a grand total of 110 NBA games, which is barely over a season. He has stared in a grand total of 79 of those games.

His statistical output has improved in every category (sans the fg pct which has already been addressed) and his efficiency rating is plus 14.

His late season rebounding has shown improvement.
There is an important quality that separates players who excel from those who do not. It is not the random labels, pre-judging or personal bias. It is the players willingness to work and improve. It is the initiative and motivation to put in the extra time in the weight room, and in the gym, when everyone else is talking on the phone. Does the player LEARN from his mistakes? Does he push himself to make even more mistakes as he finds his level?

The more relevant question related to "breaking out" is not whether Cosmic thinks Wilson Chandler is "intelligent". Ask yourself : If you had to make a long-distance assessment of how Chandler approaches his profession, how would you describe it?


Does Wilson Chandler respect the game?








[Edited by - misterearl on 04-02-2009 08:26 AM]
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Chandler has shown flashes in games of being the kind of player that can do whatever they want in terms of getting to the rim. Other games, not so much.

Part of this might be the offense that is run.

Still, he is putting up 14 pts a game- I used to think Chandler could become a really good player, possibly star like. Now, I think he will be solid, but nothing else. He'll be ok, good enough to hold his own and keep his spot in the rotation.
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We see the amount of roster turnover and see how that might affect W/L's but how does it effect developement of players? Might that make them erratic? Even with Gallo in and out it does effect positioning and minutes as well as "role".

Perhaps we might even consider Nate under that but he has 4 years of experience and was a 4 year college player. Wilson would be a Junior this season in college.

From what I have read he is a shy low key kind of guy and a hard worker. These kids can really grow and get better. If he was ego driven and felt he was gods gift he might not get much better. He could be a very effective PF as he matures and his build fills out.

Bottom line is we are rebuilding and giving youth a chance to develope. In previous years Gallo would have been banished and Chandler traded as a throw in.
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4/2/2009  9:16 AM
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"Chandler has shown flashes in games of being the kind of player that can do whatever they want in terms of getting to the rim. Other games, not so much."

Part of this might be the offense that is run."

franco 12 - and the other part might just be that guys who do whatever they want in terms of getting to the rim are few and far between. That special player must possess a rare combination of ball handling ability in heavy traffic, recognition skills for the defense being played, improvisation to make in-flight adjustments, the strength to take a hit without being knocked off stride, and last but not least - the toughness to get back up after taking a hit.

Wilson Chandler has blocked Kobe's shot and dunked on a variety of patrons in the paint.

I like that.

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Posted by misterearl:

Has Chandler missed any games this season?

Fact

Wilson Chandler has played in a grand total of 110 NBA games, which is barely over a season. He has stared in a grand total of 79 of those games.

His statistical output has improved in every category (sans the fg pct which has already been addressed) and his efficiency rating is plus 14.

His late season rebounding has shown improvement.
There is an important quality that separates players who excel from those who do not. It is not the random labels, pre-judging or personal bias. It is the players willingness to work and improve. It is the initiative and motivation to put in the extra time in the weight room, and in the gym, when everyone else is talking on the phone. Does the player LEARN from his mistakes? Does he push himself to make even more mistakes as he finds his level?

The more relevant question related to "breaking out" is not whether Cosmic thinks Wilson Chandler is "intelligent". Ask yourself : If you had to make a long-distance assessment of how Chandler approaches his profession, how would you describe it?


Does Wilson Chandler respect the game?

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Misterearl: you are right on point. Everyone is ready to throw the kid under the bus. This kid is learning and should be a keeper and grow with the team. I will admit that this is a bad team that plays no defense. Lee will not be offered near 10 Million because he lacks a shot and plays no defense. He can improve maybe or if you match a great defensive Patrick Ewing type center next to him. As far a Nate is concern he is a good little player who keeps shooting himself in the foot. This will turn off a lot of teams and he may get 5 million per season but not much more than that because he can be a distraction at times.










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4/2/2009  11:16 AM
When they start featuring The Mayor is when can truly see what he is capable of doing. As much as I hate the Pip, I think Scottie is the best comparison to Wilson. I think that he should be able to fill up the stat sheet no problem. He is not a consistent 3 point shooter but I think he can work on that.
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Papabear: I think your phrase "everyone is ready to throw the kid under the bus" is an enormous exaggeration. I'm pretty sure that most fans are pretty happy with what Chandler has done. Don't let the opinions of a few represent the majority. if you notice it's pretty much the same people that have a dislike for his game, and it is a minority. There opinions are valid and fair but do not represesnt the majority.

I personally like the way he has progressed. He went from a rookie that couldn't get floor time, to a contributor putting up 14,5 and 2 in his 2nd year. What's to complain about? Now it's important for him to take the next step which is clearly to be more assertive. He has shown signs down the stretch but he has to show big signs in year 3. If he's going to reach his potential he can't defer to other players on a losing team. This year, he gets a pass because it's essentially his rookie year, but next year there is no excuse for him not being more aggressive and assertive. I don't know if he will or he won't because I am not a fortune teller, but so far I can't argue with the progress he has shown.
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Chandler is 21 and should be a Jr at DePaul.

Not sure whats not to like so far. He's 21, and played 35 games last year. Your seeing his first stretch of consistant playing time in the league. I would say he's done pretty damn well. He gets blocks, steals, boards, hits 3's, can handle the ball, he defends...

Not sure we will be a star but could definatly be good player for a long time. Maybe even a josh howard type
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4/2/2009  3:50 PM
fish.mike - when you read the opinion, "Chandler is not a smart player" what is your first reaction?
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4/2/2009  4:26 PM
I have no idea how to evaluate him because he's basically a rookie that got no PT last year. I guess he didn't really practice last year either (yay Isiah).

So, what I'll look for next year is (1) consistently and (2) no bone head plays like stepping out of bounds for no good reason.

The page was gettign stretched for copying his monthly splits, but check them out. I'd say his Oct/Nov was great, struggled a little in December, got his minutes yanked in January and February but didn't decrease his production, and then added production in March when he got his minutes back.

Hopefully he continues to grow. So far all indicators show him becoming more efficient. I don't think he'll ever be a star. But could he be a 35-40 MPG starter in this league for a decade+? I think it's possible
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