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Nalod
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4/1/2009  11:57 AM

Ricky Rubio (Manudo?)can enter the draft this year, or next, or never. He is not legally bound to come over even if he declares (see: Fran Vasquez and Milos Vujanic) but this kid has somthing the other two does not have: Leverage!

Say this teen idol decides he only wants to play in a big media market for a coach that is euro-friendly and states thats his only way into the league?

Otherwise he stays in Europe and lives happily ever after.

What scenarios are plausable even without David Stern brokering a deal to get him in NY?
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4/1/2009  12:09 PM
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4/1/2009  12:17 PM
Los Angeles is picking ahead of us. They are the Clippers, but the Big Market argument wouldn't do it.

He'd have to come out and say, I'll only play for the Nueva York Knickerbockeros.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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4/1/2009  12:27 PM
Rubio's issue is his contract which NBA teams are only allowed to pay up $500,000. Rubio will have to find a way to finance his out clause. Which strictly means if he wants to pay in the NBA next season he will have to pay for it himself.
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4/1/2009  12:32 PM
BTW, I don't get why Knick fans think Stern will do anything to help the Knicks. The man has said on numerous occassions that the Knicks don't need any "special" help. Which I took to mean that the organization makes money whether they win or lose. A cash cow. You don't help or hurt cash cows. You let them be, check in on them on occassions and spend your time trying to help those that need it. Finanically speaking. The moment ticket sales go rock bottom then you see Dave pull a rabbit out of the hat.
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4/1/2009  12:38 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

BTW, I don't get why Knick fans think Stern will do anything to help the Knicks. The man has said on numerous occassions that the Knicks don't need any "special" help. Which I took to mean that the organization makes money whether they win or lose. A cash cow. You don't help or hurt cash cows. You let them be, check in on them on occassions and spend your time trying to help those that need it. Finanically speaking. The moment ticket sales go rock bottom then you see Dave pull a rabbit out of the hat.

Stern doesn't give a fawk what the Knicks are going ticket-wise, etc but the health of teams like the Knicks, LAL, BOS and CHI does help the league, and that IS a focus of Stern.

I think the TV contract with the NBA is up in either 2 or 3 years, so there is time for him to figure it out. Stern is also pushing the international angle and Rubio in NY would help that a TON.
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4/1/2009  12:40 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

BTW, I don't get why Knick fans think Stern will do anything to help the Knicks. The man has said on numerous occassions that the Knicks don't need any "special" help. Which I took to mean that the organization makes money whether they win or lose. A cash cow. You don't help or hurt cash cows. You let them be, check in on them on occassions and spend your time trying to help those that need it. Finanically speaking. The moment ticket sales go rock bottom then you see Dave pull a rabbit out of the hat.

i tend to agree that is stern's thinking but on a twisted paradigm - isnt that the same type of thinking that led to the economic crisis we're presently in...the banks bein the cash cows.

the knicks have been attrocious for like 10 yrs - we need all the help we can get!

[Edited by - jimimou on 04-01-2009 12:41 PM]
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4/1/2009  12:49 PM
I'd take Rubio over and prospect besides maybe Griffin, if he's as good as they say.

Stern helped us enough by helping us get Donnie Walsh. The rest is up to us now.
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4/1/2009  2:03 PM

look, IF Rubio has the Juice he can dictate some terms. Does he want to be in Memphis? Minny? or Sac? OK? Indy? Milwaukee? or even Charlotte! He can say Chi, LA, or NY. If he has the juice card!

So its Sterns job to broker a deal. Not a favor, not rig the lotto, but broker a deal that two teams can both with. Say Nate and our pick for the 2nd and a contract (sign and trade for nate or other player).

Stern wins cuz he gets Rubio in the league. It might not even be the knicks.

Say Rickey Indy gets the second pick and we have the third. Sterns tells indy if they pick him they will waste the pick. If the league can't assure Rickey a good place then he will just not declare for the draft.

With Gallo, Ricky can help the knicks become a global entity and be big biz in Europe. East coast time zone is more friendly for NBA viewing in Europe than west coast teams.

They love MDA over there!
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4/1/2009  2:26 PM
under this theory, Jennings would have similar leverage. He's getting paid decently over there.

I think it is possible that Rubio could arrange this, but do you think we have leverage over Washington and the Clips?

I hope we do.
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4/1/2009  2:45 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

under this theory, Jennings would have similar leverage. He's getting paid decently over there.

I think it is possible that Rubio could arrange this, but do you think we have leverage over Washington and the Clips?

I hope we do.
Rubio has all the leverage. He can pretty much pick any team he wants to play for at least in the top 10. The only thing that would thwat that is if another team drafted him just for trade leverage, but how can any GM justify picking a player that might never play in the league? All he has to do is have his agent say Rubio wont play for your club if you draft him. Didnt the Fran Vasquez fiasco cost the Magic GM his job?

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4/1/2009  2:53 PM
God bless him if Rubio can do it. Hopefully Gallo's situation didn't scare him off.
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4/1/2009  2:56 PM
Didn't Yi try a similar power play? Or was his situation different?
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4/1/2009  6:18 PM
Posted by eViL:

Didn't Yi try a similar power play? Or was his situation different?

same thing, only Asian style.
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4/1/2009  7:23 PM
Did Yi really do that before the draft? I thought he just cried about it afterward.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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4/1/2009  7:33 PM
http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/story/2007/6/8/173130/1668
Yi Jianlian will be an interesting side story during the lottery. The Chinese forward could end up pulling a Fran Vazquez, who was picked No. 11 by Orlando in 2005 and decided to stay in Europe. If Atlanta and Boston were to pass on Yi at No. 3 and No. 5, then the question will be where does he go? If he doesn't go Chicago with No. 9, then someone may take him hoping he'll play. But Yi's representation has made it clear they want him in the right situation or there is a chance he would just stay in China.

Didn't work. Milwaukee still picked him.
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4/1/2009  7:38 PM
Has there even been the slightest hint that Rubio might even consider this kind of option?

How did Bryant get to the Lakers? Charlotte drafted him and then dealt him to the Lakers. Had Kobe said before the draft that he only wanted to play with the Lakers? I can't remember the chain of events that ended with him being a Laker.
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4/1/2009  7:57 PM
Posted by Paladin55:

Has there even been the slightest hint that Rubio might even consider this kind of option?

How did Bryant get to the Lakers? Charlotte drafted him and then dealt him to the Lakers. Had Kobe said before the draft that he only wanted to play with the Lakers? I can't remember the chain of events that ended with him being a Laker.

He said the Lakers. I know he dissed NJ, can't remember if there were other teams.
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4/2/2009  8:45 AM
Kobe was the 13th pick. He was still a question mark. Prior to Kobe only front court players had any success jumping from high school.

With Jennings, is the Euro money even being offered to him? He is an american kid who does not have the star status that Rubio has already. Rubio can command good Euromoney and his marketability is very high. Jennings is about potential and once he reaches it he would bolt.

Yi could have stayed but did he have big Chinese money dangled? Plus the Government basically owns him so they would what they asked.

Rubio is different, he has leverage where others have not. Maybe he picks money and just wants to be the highest pick possible, or maybe he wants to land somewhere. This I don't know. But its an easier flight to Spain from JFK than Oklahoma City!!! Even if you flying private!
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