pick 12 Sean May for David Lee

Lee is signed to a 6 year 52M$ extension

I think that is good for both clubs

Posted by BRIGGS:

pick 12 Sean May for David Lee

Lee is signed to a 6 year 52M$ extension

I think that is good for both clubs

Why do you guys keep talking about acquiring a 2009 draft pick for Lee or Nate. The CBA doesn't allow it. You have to sign them first and then trade them. Signing occurs the 2nd week in July which is after the draft. You can trade for a player's draft rights but there is no guarantee that will occur and you're not allow to discuss that before the signing period.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Charlotte can draft a player we want and I think it's 4 days later trade him to the Knicks. Thats how Donte Green went to Sacramento in the Artest trade

Artest was a restricted free agent? How can you trade someone that you don't have the rights to? Lee and Nate come off the Knicks salary cap and the end of the season. You only have the right to match any offer they receive. That's it. The team doesn't have any rights beyond that. You can't discuss illegal trades or you risk losing draft picks or penalties.

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Posted by BRIGGS:

Charlotte can draft a player we want and I think it's 4 days later trade him to the Knicks. Thats how Donte Green went to Sacramento in the Artest trade

Artest was a restricted free agent? How can you trade someone that you don't have the rights to? Lee and Nate come off the Knicks salary cap and the end of the season. You only have the right to match any offer they receive. That's it. The team doesn't have any rights beyond that. You can't discuss illegal trades or you risk losing draft picks or penalties.

Phazerzone you can sign and trade them--there is no absolute here. I mean they could find their own deals but only NY can offer them the 6th year

Briggs you stated the 12th pick. How can you work out a deal, if 1) you aren't allow to talk to said restricted free agents until signing. 2) Guarantee Charlotte that Lee will agree to such a trade so go ahead and make that selection for us if you (go back to #1). You are much better off saying I hope Charlotte doesn't trade the draft pick and selects someone we like so we can offer them a trade for the draft rights rather than say let's trade Lee for the 12th. What's absolute is that the Knicks are not in a postion of control with where Lee and Nate go only whether they have the right to match whatever they get. That could be in late August as far as everyone is concern. If Walsh wanted to acquire picks that deal should have been made prior to trading deadline.

Posted by JohnWallace44:

yeah, the deadlines are somewhere around the 2nd week in July for S&T's with UFA's and early August for S&T's with RFA's

It can be done. Donnie's made it hard on himself, but he does have a small amount of leverage left.

He has no leverage left other than hoping that these guys sign reasonable deals elsewhere and then hope to turn around and find another team that also view that said contract as reasonable. As far you know, Lee or Nate can wait until the end of August to take any offer. They can pull a Joe Johnson and get a crazy deal and force Walsh's hand. PHX was ok with the risk of taking a max Joe Johnson, if Lee or Nate can find a max deal or something more than what the Knicks or other teams think is reasonable, is Donnie willing to take the risk that he will be stuck with those contracts?

Posted by BRIGGS:

pick 12 Sean May for David Lee

Lee is signed to a 6 year 52M$ extension

I think that is good for both clubs

i'd pass on a 12 pick for Lee... in that case i'd rather hold onto him & try to work out a trade deadline deal next season... if we can grab a top 8 pick for him, i'd do it & then try & parlay the 2 lottery picks to move up to the top 3 or 4, but at this point i don't think teams are gonna be willing to give up that much.

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Posted by BRIGGS:

Charlotte can draft a player we want and I think it's 4 days later trade him to the Knicks. Thats how Donte Green went to Sacramento in the Artest trade

Artest was a restricted free agent? How can you trade someone that you don't have the rights to? Lee and Nate come off the Knicks salary cap and the end of the season. You only have the right to match any offer they receive. That's it. The team doesn't have any rights beyond that. You can't discuss illegal trades or you risk losing draft picks or penalties.

Phazerzone you can sign and trade them--there is no absolute here. I mean they could find their own deals but only NY can offer them the 6th year

Briggs you stated the 12th pick. How can you work out a deal, if 1) you aren't allow to talk to said restricted free agents until signing. 2) Guarantee Charlotte that Lee will agree to such a trade so go ahead and make that selection for us if you (go back to #1). You are much better off saying I hope Charlotte doesn't trade the draft pick and selects someone we like so we can offer them a trade for the draft rights rather than say let's trade Lee for the 12th. What's absolute is that the Knicks are not in a postion of control with where Lee and Nate go only whether they have the right to match whatever they get. That could be in late August as far as everyone is concern. If Walsh wanted to acquire picks that deal should have been made prior to trading deadline.

They can make a deal and consummate it one second after FA starts.

That's an illegal trade, Briggs. Walsh doesn't strike me as a GM or someone that is dumb enough who would risk future draft picks for just the current one.

The CBA is clear on this issue. Thisn't a trade where you are talking about working out future consideration or even a trade in good faith that the league could sanction. This is a trade where you are attempting to trade something that you don't have any rights to trade.

I can see Stern now on the podium. "We have an illegal trade. The Knicks are attempting to trade a free agent for a draft pick. Donnie kiss this pick and a couple of future picks goodbye. Milwakuee is on the clock."

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Posted by JohnWallace44:

yeah, the deadlines are somewhere around the 2nd week in July for S&T's with UFA's and early August for S&T's with RFA's

It can be done. Donnie's made it hard on himself, but he does have a small amount of leverage left.

He has no leverage left other than hoping that these guys sign reasonable deals elsewhere and then hope to turn around and find another team that also view that said contract as reasonable. As far you know, Lee or Nate can wait until the end of August to take any offer. They can pull a Joe Johnson and get a crazy deal and force Walsh's hand. PHX was ok with the risk of taking a max Joe Johnson, if Lee or Nate can find a max deal or something more than what the Knicks or other teams think is reasonable, is Donnie willing to take the risk that he will be stuck with those contracts?

The press would be going ape sheet over this if it weren't still possible to deal Lee and or Nate. We can still trade them. It just has to be agreed to before the draft, then the team picks for us, then in August the deals are made official.

You can't discuss an illegal trade. That's why the press was going ape **** at the trade deadline. Any trade would be future picks or the draft rights for a player you had no impact in telling the other team to draft. Once again, you can't have a good faith trade in one team doesn't have the rights to trade.

Guys- aren't Lee and Nate technically signed through July? And couldn't you make the trade as far as particulars prior to the draft, but after the draft order is finalized?

considering how good diaw has played at the PF spot, charlotte says no to david lee.

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Franco, there are certain windows available where you can do deals involving UFA's or RFA's.

It can be agreed to prior to the draft, but it can't be made official until the deadlines are passed.

What trade was completed that you know of which involved trading UFA or RFA before they were signed? That were discussed on draft day for a draft pick? It would have to be a conspiracy to circumvent the cap.

(c) A Team cannot trade any player after the NBA trade deadline occurring in the last Season of the player’s Contract, or after the NBA trade deadline occurring in any Season that could be the last Season of the player’s Contract based upon the exercise or non-exercise of an Option or Early Termination Option.

(i) A Team shall not be permitted to exercise its Right of First Refusal pursuant to an agreement to trade the Player Contract to another Team pursuant to Article VII, Section 8(e).

http://www.nbpa.com/

NBA teams can be fined $500,000 for breaking a particular rule of the CBA (Collective Bargaining Agreement for NBA players) by completing or conspiring to complete an illegal trade.


Riley attempted and the Heat were fined and warned. McHale attempted twice with Iverson and was warned by the league after the Joe Smith debacle to boot. Neither team had the balls to go through the trades and then present them to the Commissioner office for approval.