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BRIGGS
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3/24/2009  9:41 PM
1. Blake Griffin [no-brainer]
2 Demar Derozan [I view him as the second best long term prospect in this draft]
3 Jordan Hill [Can replace David Lee and make an instant impact]
4 Tyreke Evans [An NBA ready clone of Stephen Jackson who can play PG at 6-6 225]
5 Hasheem Thabeet [has had incredible growth that will continue at an athletic 7-3 265]
6 Eric Maynor [After reviewing everyone several time I think he is the second best PG prospect next to Evans
7 Cole Aldrich [Solid lengthy sturdy player who will have similar results i.e 15-12 from the C position like he has been doing now. Probably a little safer in some respects than Thabeet but with less upside]
8 James Harden [I said a about 6 years ago that Micheal Redd would be a great NBA player--so will James Harden--this might even be low for him]
9. Jeff Teague [productivity has fallen off but his athletic ability and skills the way they will translate to the NBA havent
tie 10a. Dejuan Blair[warrior leader producer winner long arms powerful body that has nice agility with superior mental make up we wont take him but hey]
10b. Craig Brackins[Looks a lot like David West at Xavier albeit just slightly thinner]

If BJ Mullens comes into this draft and falls and we have opportunity to take him in the 19-25 area and we can get it done I would seriously consider it.

Also I like both Jeff Pendergraph and Wayne Ellington for this system if we have a later pick and go the route of rotational player who can go now.
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3/24/2009  9:57 PM
i've had the same top 3 also... Griffin, Derozan, Hill... if we end up w/any 1 of those 3 i'll be ecstatic... add Jennings & Aldrich to round out the top 5 for me, unless Rubio is in the draft.

if we can somehow buy a late round pick i'd love to pick up Dionte Christmas or BJ Mullens.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-24-2009 6:58 PM]
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3/24/2009  9:58 PM
Good list Briggs.

I'm glad you got my man Maynor up there.
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3/24/2009  10:04 PM
Nice list, I would add Ricky Rubio and Evan Turner to the list if they decide to enter the draft.
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3/24/2009  10:31 PM
Posted by TMS:

i've had the same top 3 also... Griffin, Derozan, Hill... if we end up w/any 1 of those 3 i'll be ecstatic... add Jennings & Aldrich to round out the top 5 for me, unless Rubio is in the draft.

if we can somehow buy a late round pick i'd love to pick up Dionte Christmas or BJ Mullens.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-24-2009 6:58 PM]

Tyreke Evans has grown on me. I think he is an unusual prospect who can play PG at 6-6 225. He's not a finished prospect but if there is a franchise type PG in this draft it's him. I don't want anything to do with Ricky Rubio==Ill take Evans anyday over him. Think about putting a 6-6 225 PG on other PGs in this league.
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3/24/2009  10:41 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:

i've had the same top 3 also... Griffin, Derozan, Hill... if we end up w/any 1 of those 3 i'll be ecstatic... add Jennings & Aldrich to round out the top 5 for me, unless Rubio is in the draft.

if we can somehow buy a late round pick i'd love to pick up Dionte Christmas or BJ Mullens.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-24-2009 6:58 PM]

Tyreke Evans has grown on me. I think he is an unusual prospect who can play PG at 6-6 225. He's not a finished prospect but if there is a franchise type PG in this draft it's him. I don't want anything to do with Ricky Rubio==Ill take Evans anyday over him. Think about putting a 6-6 225 PG on other PGs in this league.

right now i'm watching your boy Calathes on ESPN playing against Penn State... i remember u were high on him just a while back... he's scoring points but i don't see the orchestrator that we really need.
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3/24/2009  11:17 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:

i've had the same top 3 also... Griffin, Derozan, Hill... if we end up w/any 1 of those 3 i'll be ecstatic... add Jennings & Aldrich to round out the top 5 for me, unless Rubio is in the draft.

if we can somehow buy a late round pick i'd love to pick up Dionte Christmas or BJ Mullens.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-24-2009 6:58 PM]

Tyreke Evans has grown on me. I think he is an unusual prospect who can play PG at 6-6 225. He's not a finished prospect but if there is a franchise type PG in this draft it's him. I don't want anything to do with Ricky Rubio==Ill take Evans anyday over him. Think about putting a 6-6 225 PG on other PGs in this league.

right now i'm watching your boy Calathes on ESPN playing against Penn State... i remember u were high on him just a while back... he's scoring points but i don't see the orchestrator that we really need.

I was high on Calathes, he would be a good lower first round pick.

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3/24/2009  11:18 PM
Florida loses... Calathes had a pretty disappointing game, only 10 pts & 7 assists, & got his shot blocked on a couple of key possessions late in the game, finishing 3 of 12 & missing all 6 of his 3 pt. attempts... i'm gonna say that kid's another prospect that needs to stay in school another year.
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3/24/2009  11:58 PM
I'll make a couple of assumptions - one, the ping pong balls won't fall our way, two, Donnie will get a low 1st round pick (or he's a total failure)

Here are some realistic pairings that would have a massive impact on our Knickerbockers

Assumed drafted before us: Griffin - Hill - Evans - Rubio - Thabeet - Harden - Monroe - Aminu

1 - Derozan - Mills
2 - Jennings - Sam Young
3 - Brackins - Christmas (get Vornado in the 2nd round and this looks really good)
4 - Mullens - Meeks
5 - Warren - Jordan
6 - Holiday - Chris Johnson
7 - Williams - Taj Gibson
8 - Maynor - Patterson

key is length, defense, athleticism

counting down the days to the draft...
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3/25/2009  1:09 AM
no love for earl clark or terrence williams?
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3/25/2009  1:09 AM
Posted by Vmart:

Nice list, I would add Ricky Rubio and Evan Turner to the list if they decide to enter the draft.

Yup.

Don't know why Turner doesn't get more recognition from people who are not scouts. May not have DeRozan's upside, but he is the more complete player at this point.

The other intriguing SG with all around skills like Turner is Terrence Williams. Doesn't have the offensive polish of Turner, especially going to the basket and creating his own shot, but he puts up some nice numbers and has become a better shooter. If Louisville makes it to the finals we are going to have a lot of time to see what he can do on the big stage. I think that you can make a good case that Turner and Williams will both be better pros than Harden.

Harden should be a 13-20 pick at this point. His flaws as a player were really exposed during his last 3 games. The Knicks should stay away from him if he is available.

[Edited by - paladin55 on 03-25-2009 01:11 AM]
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3/25/2009  1:42 AM
Posted by BigSm00th:

no love for earl clark or terrence williams?

I wrote a piece on Williams back when we were 20-25 and looking like were headed for a 17-18 pick. He looks good there--not up here. Im not a fan of the reach. Terrance Williams has lottery type talent in a game that is as inconsistent as you can find. One game he will have 22 points 11 rebounds 6 assists and the next 4 points on 1-9 shooting. His FG% and inconsistencies for his career are a huge red flag when you are talking LOTTERY pick. There are a lot of nice things about Williams but how can anyone get past his career inconsistency? I would never pick him that high--that is a world away picking 9 to 18. I wouldnt condone picking someone with that type of career FG % that high--you are asking for something of the same. I think if you look 1-9 you can get a better talent. If a team is trading as high as the Knicks--you don't settle for a reach
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3/25/2009  2:05 AM
What player does this look like in the NBA?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RWImTy6p9w&feature=related

To be dead honest--look at all the great NBA -- I mean super NBA wing players--they ALL have super dunk type ability. There able to use their springs to get high % shots--their athleticism separates them from other players. This guy is the best open floor player in the draft and he possess the overall skills to be special. Id rather try to get a special player than a solid player.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 03-25-2009 02:16 AM]
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3/25/2009  7:43 AM
Evan Turner will be a better NBA player than 6 of those guys you listed
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3/25/2009  8:02 AM
1) Rickie Rubio - He's got some of Kidd and Nash in him. He'll be a franchise player
2) Blake Griffin - I love his toughness and intensity. He's more than a great college player.
3) Hasheem Thabeet - I know he doesn't score much, but he'll be the best defensive big man in the league as a rookie.
4) James Harden - Ok, he had a lousy tournament, but he had two very good college seasons. He can shoot, pass, play d - and he plays smart.
5) Cole Aldrich - You don't often get a chance to get a skilled center. He's David Lee plus defense.
6) Demar Derozan - If he had a better shot, I'd take him sooner.

That's as far as I'm ready to go at this point. If we can somehow get one of these players, our team will be better.
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3/25/2009  9:01 AM
If BJ Mullens comes into this draft and falls and we have opportunity to take him in the 19-25 area and we can get it done I would seriously consider it.

Last month
BJ Mullens is David Lee only 4 inches taller and 40 pounds heavier. Not because he is white but because he has the same springs in his legs that David has. Thats because he can use both hands like david can. Thats because he will shoot a very high % like David does. Thats because he will rebound like David can. He can also win dunk contests like David did to show increcible agility for such a big man who also possesses an incredible base. He's not a great defender like David although he is 7 feet tall and 270 pounds and that alone can help clog a lane. Take this to the bank if BJ Mullens stays one year he will be pick 1 in the 2010 draft. IF IF and its a BIG IF IF this player fell and we were drafting 10-12--we would be PSYCHOTIC not to take him even though he would need development time of atleast 1 year[although he would be good enough to play of the bench immediately] Unlike Gallinari--this is not a soft body player--this is a big athletic C with a very strong base who has a mean streak as well. He now knows hes bigger and stronger than his opponents and when he gets the ball near the hoop its nearly a dunk every single time. Again I didnt see Patrick Obryant lead the big Ten in FG% and he wasnt very highly recruited coming out. You're the same guy who thinks Jerome Jordan is going to be a good player. All big men are not created equal. This kid is a physical specimen. He's got springs in his legs at 7-1 270. He has agility that few guys his size have. He's got to work but the physical part is already there. Again there are a lot of 7 footers in CBB--none of them led the Big Ten in FG% except this player. Every big school wanted him and for good reason. If he worked hard with a trainer and a pro skill coach in the offseason he could play off an NBA bench next year. The kid needs work but but he will be a very fine player in the NBA.

A few days later
MY God if the Knicks cant figure out this kid will be a 20 point 60% player they should all hand in their badges and paychecks

I can't keep up

[Edited by - bippity10 on 25-03-2009 09:01 AM]
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3/25/2009  9:23 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
If BJ Mullens comes into this draft and falls and we have opportunity to take him in the 19-25 area and we can get it done I would seriously consider it.

Last month
BJ Mullens is David Lee only 4 inches taller and 40 pounds heavier. Not because he is white but because he has the same springs in his legs that David has. Thats because he can use both hands like david can. Thats because he will shoot a very high % like David does. Thats because he will rebound like David can. He can also win dunk contests like David did to show increcible agility for such a big man who also possesses an incredible base. He's not a great defender like David although he is 7 feet tall and 270 pounds and that alone can help clog a lane. Take this to the bank if BJ Mullens stays one year he will be pick 1 in the 2010 draft. IF IF and its a BIG IF IF this player fell and we were drafting 10-12--we would be PSYCHOTIC not to take him even though he would need development time of atleast 1 year[although he would be good enough to play of the bench immediately] Unlike Gallinari--this is not a soft body player--this is a big athletic C with a very strong base who has a mean streak as well. He now knows hes bigger and stronger than his opponents and when he gets the ball near the hoop its nearly a dunk every single time. Again I didnt see Patrick Obryant lead the big Ten in FG% and he wasnt very highly recruited coming out. You're the same guy who thinks Jerome Jordan is going to be a good player. All big men are not created equal. This kid is a physical specimen. He's got springs in his legs at 7-1 270. He has agility that few guys his size have. He's got to work but the physical part is already there. Again there are a lot of 7 footers in CBB--none of them led the Big Ten in FG% except this player. Every big school wanted him and for good reason. If he worked hard with a trainer and a pro skill coach in the offseason he could play off an NBA bench next year. The kid needs work but but he will be a very fine player in the NBA.

A few days later
MY God if the Knicks cant figure out this kid will be a 20 point 60% player they should all hand in their badges and paychecks

I can't keep up

[Edited by - bippity10 on 25-03-2009 09:01 AM]

Yeah I do think he will be a good offensive C down the line--don't you notice that I add his name to almost everyone of my posts to see if we can pick him up later in the draft? I don't think his value represents the 9th pick in the draft right now. If you go back further--I said Demar Derozen hasnt done anything in terms of being a top 3 pick--so did all the major websites--but players go from projects to prospects as he did right in the middle of the season. My thought process on Mullens long term is the same--I have 0 change--nothing that I saw in what I believe hj will be able to do in the NBA offensively has changed one iota.
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3/25/2009  9:34 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bippity10:
If BJ Mullens comes into this draft and falls and we have opportunity to take him in the 19-25 area and we can get it done I would seriously consider it.

Last month
BJ Mullens is David Lee only 4 inches taller and 40 pounds heavier. Not because he is white but because he has the same springs in his legs that David has. Thats because he can use both hands like david can. Thats because he will shoot a very high % like David does. Thats because he will rebound like David can. He can also win dunk contests like David did to show increcible agility for such a big man who also possesses an incredible base. He's not a great defender like David although he is 7 feet tall and 270 pounds and that alone can help clog a lane. Take this to the bank if BJ Mullens stays one year he will be pick 1 in the 2010 draft. IF IF and its a BIG IF IF this player fell and we were drafting 10-12--we would be PSYCHOTIC not to take him even though he would need development time of atleast 1 year[although he would be good enough to play of the bench immediately] Unlike Gallinari--this is not a soft body player--this is a big athletic C with a very strong base who has a mean streak as well. He now knows hes bigger and stronger than his opponents and when he gets the ball near the hoop its nearly a dunk every single time. Again I didnt see Patrick Obryant lead the big Ten in FG% and he wasnt very highly recruited coming out. You're the same guy who thinks Jerome Jordan is going to be a good player. All big men are not created equal. This kid is a physical specimen. He's got springs in his legs at 7-1 270. He has agility that few guys his size have. He's got to work but the physical part is already there. Again there are a lot of 7 footers in CBB--none of them led the Big Ten in FG% except this player. Every big school wanted him and for good reason. If he worked hard with a trainer and a pro skill coach in the offseason he could play off an NBA bench next year. The kid needs work but but he will be a very fine player in the NBA.

A few days later
MY God if the Knicks cant figure out this kid will be a 20 point 60% player they should all hand in their badges and paychecks

I can't keep up

[Edited by - bippity10 on 25-03-2009 09:01 AM]

Yeah I do think he will be a good offensive C down the line--don't you notice that I add his name to almost everyone of my posts to see if we can pick him up later in the draft? I don't think his value represents the 9th pick in the draft right now. If you go back further--I said Demar Derozen hasnt done anything in terms of being a top 3 pick--so did all the major websites--but players go from projects to prospects as he did right in the middle of the season. My thought process on Mullens long term is the same--I have 0 change--nothing that I saw in what I believe hj will be able to do in the NBA offensively has changed one iota.

I understand everyone changes their opinions on players as the season goes on. Stocks rise and fall. But you were so definitive in your opinion of BJ. One minute "guys should lose their paychecks" if not drafted 10-12 and the next minute(less than a month) we should "seriously consider" the guy at 19-25. It does seem like you are backing way off on this one in less than a months time. Why?

With your drastic opinion change on BJ, does it make sense why so many teams would pass on a guy like Anthony Randolph and some others? Opinions change and this is why people don't get fired over one draft pick.
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3/25/2009  9:42 AM
I still still want to know how Tyreke Evens gained 30 pounds and grew 2 inches
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3/25/2009  9:45 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bippity10:
If BJ Mullens comes into this draft and falls and we have opportunity to take him in the 19-25 area and we can get it done I would seriously consider it.

Last month
BJ Mullens is David Lee only 4 inches taller and 40 pounds heavier. Not because he is white but because he has the same springs in his legs that David has. Thats because he can use both hands like david can. Thats because he will shoot a very high % like David does. Thats because he will rebound like David can. He can also win dunk contests like David did to show increcible agility for such a big man who also possesses an incredible base. He's not a great defender like David although he is 7 feet tall and 270 pounds and that alone can help clog a lane. Take this to the bank if BJ Mullens stays one year he will be pick 1 in the 2010 draft. IF IF and its a BIG IF IF this player fell and we were drafting 10-12--we would be PSYCHOTIC not to take him even though he would need development time of atleast 1 year[although he would be good enough to play of the bench immediately] Unlike Gallinari--this is not a soft body player--this is a big athletic C with a very strong base who has a mean streak as well. He now knows hes bigger and stronger than his opponents and when he gets the ball near the hoop its nearly a dunk every single time. Again I didnt see Patrick Obryant lead the big Ten in FG% and he wasnt very highly recruited coming out. You're the same guy who thinks Jerome Jordan is going to be a good player. All big men are not created equal. This kid is a physical specimen. He's got springs in his legs at 7-1 270. He has agility that few guys his size have. He's got to work but the physical part is already there. Again there are a lot of 7 footers in CBB--none of them led the Big Ten in FG% except this player. Every big school wanted him and for good reason. If he worked hard with a trainer and a pro skill coach in the offseason he could play off an NBA bench next year. The kid needs work but but he will be a very fine player in the NBA.

A few days later
MY God if the Knicks cant figure out this kid will be a 20 point 60% player they should all hand in their badges and paychecks

I can't keep up

[Edited by - bippity10 on 25-03-2009 09:01 AM]

Yeah I do think he will be a good offensive C down the line--don't you notice that I add his name to almost everyone of my posts to see if we can pick him up later in the draft? I don't think his value represents the 9th pick in the draft right now. If you go back further--I said Demar Derozen hasnt done anything in terms of being a top 3 pick--so did all the major websites--but players go from projects to prospects as he did right in the middle of the season. My thought process on Mullens long term is the same--I have 0 change--nothing that I saw in what I believe hj will be able to do in the NBA offensively has changed one iota.

I understand everyone changes their opinions on players as the season goes on. Stocks rise and fall. But you were so definitive in your opinion of BJ. One minute "guys should lose their paychecks" if not drafted 10-12 and the next minute(less than a month) we should "seriously consider" the guy at 19-25. It does seem like you are backing way off on this one in less than a months time. Why?

With your drastic opinion change on BJ, does it make sense why so many teams would pass on a guy like Anthony Randolph and some others? Opinions change and this is why people don't get fired over one draft pick.

I have no change of opinion on the player long term. We really need a C and possibly grabbing Mullens later down in the draft would be a nice long term move. I think that Thabeet Aldrich and a af ew PF have earned draft status over Mullens --one month can be a long time especially in college basketball.
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