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JesseDark
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3/21/2009  3:14 PM
If you were the top free agent on the market today would you sign with the Knicks?
If I had not won a ring the answer is no. There are just too many holes in our lineup that need to be filled. Now if I had a ring I would be receptive to NY because of all the off court $ to be made.
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3/21/2009  3:26 PM
I don't know if LeBron thinks he can be stopped if he has even reasonable talent around him.

We'll see if he's right this year.
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3/21/2009  3:34 PM
Depends on the situation here. If it was Isiah's Knicks then I'd say no. We'll see what the roster and such looks by the summer of 2010. Plus the Knicks can convince someone to come by signing good pieces to cheap deals, ala when the Lakers signed guys like Payton and Malone for nothing.
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3/21/2009  4:10 PM
as presently constructed, i wouldn't wanna come here if i was a top player in the NBA... if there was another top player coming in with me tho, that's a different story.
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3/21/2009  4:24 PM
If the situation that I'm in is already winning and that organization can offer me more money and years. I wouldn't even bother to look at the Knicks.
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3/21/2009  7:55 PM
New York and MikeD are a big plus for any of the Redeem Team or Joe Johnson.

Its funny that every team with 2010 cap space thinks that they're getting multiple Max guys, but there are only a few of them out there.

If SacTown thinks they're getting them, I guess we can dream.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/21/2009  8:04 PM
its possible. VERY FEW star FA's have left their teams to sign elsewhere. However it was accomplished once. The Magic dumped their roster and signed TMac and Grant Hill. Obviously it didnt work out, and Det had some insight on that ankle that Hill played on during the playoffs... but its happened.

I dont agree with the Knicks letting players go for nothing, but if they are going to gut this roster 2010 is the year to do it for. You gotta go all the way though and jump JJ and Curry also. Go sign Nash, Bron and Dirk and role players. Get Malone, Payton, Starks and Robert Horry to come on board. Maybe Ewing Sr. and Ewing JR to come off the bench. Let the fun begin
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3/21/2009  9:09 PM
Now are people starting to understand what I've been saying for the last year? The 2010 plan had to be about 3 things:

1) Pare the salary cap to enable you to sign 2 max free agents in 2010

2) Maximize the 2008 and 2009 drafts

3) Trade Nate and possibly Lee for draft picks and/or as trade bait to package with albatross contracts.

Walsh has done a very good job to get our cap situation to a place where signing 2 max free agents is almost a possibility. But not trading Jeffries in a package with Nate was a gigantic missed opportunity.

Imagine if the Knicks had drafted Lopez, Gordon, Randolph or Augustin and were able to draft another solid starter this June. That's 2 young and promising starters in addition to Chandler to attract free agents. That's not even close to being a stretch, it was very possible. This is what Walsh meant when he said that they couldn't screw up last year's draft. Now imagine if Walsh hadn't wasted so many opportunities to add assets by trading Lee or buying draft picks, instead of refusing to pay $2M for the pick used on Mario Chalmers. He could have added much needed depth with the possibility of adding another solid rotation player.

Now would a top free agent want to go to a team with either Lee, Chandler, Chalmers, Lopez and Stephen Curry and another low first or high second rd pick or Chandler, Chalmers, Lopez, Stephen Curry and another first and second rd pick?
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3/21/2009  9:46 PM
Portland and OKC have been taking the league to school on how to rebuild, but Walsh has been skipping class.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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3/21/2009  10:24 PM
Yeah I would. Why not, the Knicks have assets, good young talent, play in a great market, a fun, player-friendly coach...ext. Whats with all this whiny, self hatred? Could things be better? Of course, but the Knicks are on the rise.

They are much closer to being a good team than a bad one.
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3/21/2009  10:31 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Portland and OKC have been taking the league to school on how to rebuild, but Walsh has been skipping class.

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Both these teams were in better situations to rebuild than the capped out, no talent, worthless roster Knicks were when Walsh took over. They had better talent to trade and get more back in a trade and Portland's scouting department is pretty damn good. Oklahoma City's only bad contract was Ray Allen and they traded him for Jeff Green.
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3/21/2009  10:44 PM
A FA would come to NY only if they offer them a rich contract. That's how it is when they happen to be a team that is rebuilding with no star player.
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3/21/2009  11:07 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Portland and OKC have been taking the league to school on how to rebuild, but Walsh has been skipping class.
if by taking to school you mean being the worst team in the league for 4-5 year straight then sure. When you draft 1-5 every year for 5 years your going to have some decent talent on your team.

If thats the plan fine.. I dont really have a beef with that. Just say it though. Knick fans and season tickets owners of 12k seats wont go for it. But why let business logic stop you?
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3/21/2009  11:31 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Portland and OKC have been taking the league to school on how to rebuild, but Walsh has been skipping class.
if by taking to school you mean being the worst team in the league for 4-5 year straight then sure. When you draft 1-5 every year for 5 years your going to have some decent talent on your team.

If thats the plan fine.. I dont really have a beef with that. Just say it though. Knick fans and season tickets owners of 12k seats wont go for it. But why let business logic stop you?

Yeah, I don't understand the accolades being thrown these guys way. That's like giving the Clippers kudos for making the playoffs a couple of years ago. Jerry West's Laker team was in the lottery back in the early 90s for one year. Dude said he was ashame and made a series of moves to rectify that situation. That's the blueprint you use. Man is Mr. Clutch still retired?
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3/21/2009  11:58 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Portland and OKC have been taking the league to school on how to rebuild, but Walsh has been skipping class.
if by taking to school you mean being the worst team in the league for 4-5 year straight then sure. When you draft 1-5 every year for 5 years your going to have some decent talent on your team.

If thats the plan fine.. I dont really have a beef with that. Just say it though. Knick fans and season tickets owners of 12k seats wont go for it. But why let business logic stop you?

Last 5 years:

Seattle 175 wins
Portland 162 wins
Knicks 151 wins

Knicks fans and their season ticket holders have gone for it. And I'm pretty sure that the last 5 years have been worse for Knicks fans and season ticket holders than anything the Blazers and Seattle went through starting with the fact that we don't have the draft picks and young stars to show for it.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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3/22/2009  12:28 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Portland and OKC have been taking the league to school on how to rebuild, but Walsh has been skipping class.
if by taking to school you mean being the worst team in the league for 4-5 year straight then sure. When you draft 1-5 every year for 5 years your going to have some decent talent on your team.

If thats the plan fine.. I dont really have a beef with that. Just say it though. Knick fans and season tickets owners of 12k seats wont go for it. But why let business logic stop you?

Last 5 years:

Seattle 175 wins
Portland 162 wins
Knicks 151 wins

Knicks fans and their season ticket holders have gone for it. And I'm pretty sure that the last 5 years have been worse for Knicks fans and season ticket holders than anything the Blazers and Seattle went through starting with the fact that we don't have the draft picks and young stars to show for it.

We had Isiah working to cover this fact in deep smoke.
Now Car sales genius is gone... so no more b..sht, just pure truth - WE SUCK.
They have no luxury to rebuild anymore; and never had.
So... Enjoy the ride.




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3/22/2009  6:00 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Portland and OKC have been taking the league to school on how to rebuild, but Walsh has been skipping class.
if by taking to school you mean being the worst team in the league for 4-5 year straight then sure. When you draft 1-5 every year for 5 years your going to have some decent talent on your team.

If thats the plan fine.. I dont really have a beef with that. Just say it though. Knick fans and season tickets owners of 12k seats wont go for it. But why let business logic stop you?

Last 5 years:

Seattle 175 wins
Portland 162 wins
Knicks 151 wins

Knicks fans and their season ticket holders have gone for it. And I'm pretty sure that the last 5 years have been worse for Knicks fans and season ticket holders than anything the Blazers and Seattle went through starting with the fact that we don't have the draft picks and young stars to show for it.
if you looking for someone to say something positive has come from the Isiah era it hasnt. That set us back 3 years AFTER he left. We should just be tanking and purging but we have no pick next year. Kinda defeats the purpose

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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3/22/2009  7:23 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Portland and OKC have been taking the league to school on how to rebuild, but Walsh has been skipping class.
if by taking to school you mean being the worst team in the league for 4-5 year straight then sure. When you draft 1-5 every year for 5 years your going to have some decent talent on your team.

If thats the plan fine.. I dont really have a beef with that. Just say it though. Knick fans and season tickets owners of 12k seats wont go for it. But why let business logic stop you?

we've been a sorry ass team for longer than that & we still don't have 1 star calibre player on this roster... i'd rather suck ass & be the worst team in the NBA for 5 & have a chance to nab 1 in the draft every single year in the lottery than to do what we've been doing.
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3/23/2009  8:35 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Portland and OKC have been taking the league to school on how to rebuild, but Walsh has been skipping class.
if by taking to school you mean being the worst team in the league for 4-5 year straight then sure. When you draft 1-5 every year for 5 years your going to have some decent talent on your team.

If thats the plan fine.. I dont really have a beef with that. Just say it though. Knick fans and season tickets owners of 12k seats wont go for it. But why let business logic stop you?

we've been a sorry ass team for longer than that & we still don't have 1 star calibre player on this roster... i'd rather suck ass & be the worst team in the NBA for 5 & have a chance to nab 1 in the draft every single year in the lottery than to do what we've been doing.
thats because we have been a win now team winning 30 games a year. Eddy Curry = 2 high lottery picks. Frye was taken over Bynum and Granger. We traded all our blue chips for Curry, Zack, Crawford and Marbury. Who is advocating more of that?
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