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djsunyc
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3/20/2009  9:32 PM
what do you think of the job he's done this year?

do you think he established a system?

do you think he's developed players?

how much of an impact do you think he's had on the team this season?

did the team overachieve? underacheive?

with their recent play, does he catch any flack?

on a scale from 1-10 (10 being the best), how would you rank his performance this season?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 03-20-2009 9:35 PM]
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3/20/2009  9:39 PM
Nice time to create this topic.
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3/20/2009  10:16 PM
what do you think of the job he's done this year? Pretty good considering the roster overhauls that have occurred throughout the season.

do you think he established a system? Yes but that seems to have reverted back to 1 on 1 style basketball after Al Harrington & Nate took a more leading role in the offense, which is more of the same we saw when Isiah was coaching this team.

do you think he's developed players? Yes, I believe Wilson Chandler has improved drastically from last season, becoming a lot more confident & more aggressive taking it to the rim... his jumper still needs more consistency but he's taking much better shots in the flow of the offense... Nate & D Lee have also much improved in their offensive games this year & that's not just a result of the system, both players have improved their skills as well.

how much of an impact do you think he's had on the team this season? In terms of their approach I think he's done wonders... the players are much more upbeat, there are no longer any unnecessary distractions off the court, everyone is being professional about accepting their roles whereas last year there'd be players chirping to the papers after a single DNP w/o fail, & everyone is pulling for everyone on the team, there aren't any people sitting in the corner w/a towel over their head & a cloud of negativity to bring other guys down, which is a breath of fresh air.

In terms of quality of play, offensively they look better, playing more team oriented basketball earlier in the season but that seems to have regressed as the season has gone on, not surprisingly coincidental w/the wearing down of Chris Duhon... they still are a horrible defensive team, nothing new there... MDA needs to bring in more defensive minded players, but getting Hughes was a nice start.

did the team overachieve? underacheive? Pretty much met my expectations... I expected a 35 win type season.

with their recent play, does he catch any flack? I'm sure he will from the usual suspects, but not from me... I never expected this team to make the playoffs... we can't expect much improvement until we fix this highly flawed roster no matter who's coaching this team.

on a scale from 1-10 (10 being the best), how would you rank his performance this season? I'd give him a solid 7... lots of room for improvement but overall a better than average job considering the ridiculous situation he walked into after Isiah left, Marbury was still on the roster, Donnie had traded away 2 of his best players in Zach & Jamal early in the season, playing short manned for several games, & not much contribution from their lottery pick all year.
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3/20/2009  10:23 PM
I give him a 6. Same issues that plague the Suns. He is a headstrong coach with too much pride. Fatigue and injuries have obvious set in on players but he continues his short rotation. I think he developed Lee's offense. And help Duhon become a pick and roll shooter. His defense work is more gameplanning then development but hey that's why you have assistant coaches. I think he is worst enemy. I don't think he established a system at all. Guys and the coach admit to allowing players to freelance on the offensive and defensive ends. I am not sure if you bring a Rose, Mayo or whoever if they would look any better. There is no time when I can say well this should improve next season. He's no Pat Riley. I think this team needs a real veteran floor general with superior talent like a Nash to help them. Duhon and Nate aren't that.
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djsunyc
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3/20/2009  10:23 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Nice time to create this topic.

i should've started it after the 6-3 start.
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3/20/2009  10:28 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by GKFv2:

Nice time to create this topic.

i should've started it after the 6-3 start.

End of the season is more appropriate. Starting one after a 30 point blowout to a terrible team kinda seems like you want to get some overblown reactions.

But ok, I'll bite:

what do you think of the job he's done this year? Pretty good considering the roster turnover and the current roster itself. 7 out of 10.

do you think he established a system? Yes but that doesn't mean the team is very good at it.

do you think he's developed players? No. That is my major gripe with him but besides Gallo there was nobody to develop. Well I guess Chandler has developed more but he still has major flaws in his game.

how much of an impact do you think he's had on the team this season? I'd say they'd have like 10 wins if Isiah was still soaching this exact team.

did the team overachieve? underacheive? About where they are supposed to be IMO. Maybe even a bit overachieving.

with their recent play, does he catch any flack? Not really. We still have a good core of losers remaing from the Isiah Thomas era. 2 of them are our most prominent players - Nate and Lee.

on a scale from 1-10 (10 being the best), how would you rank his performance this season? 7, as mentioned before.
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3/20/2009  10:30 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

End of the season is more appropriate. Starting one after a 30 point blowout to a terrible team kinda seems like you want to get some overblown reactions.

2 responses w/o overblown reactions. you see, have faith in uk...
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3/20/2009  10:40 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

what do you think of the job he's done this year?

do you think he established a system?

do you think he's developed players?

how much of an impact do you think he's had on the team this season?

did the team overachieve? underacheive?

with their recent play, does he catch any flack?

on a scale from 1-10 (10 being the best), how would you rank his performance this season?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 03-20-2009 9:35 PM]

If you talk a big game and you cant get your players up to the challenge--the buck stops with you.

Let's be real here. What has been accomplished with Mike D? Did he honestly accomplish anything?

No number---it's simple as this ---bad year --nothing accomplished.
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3/20/2009  10:44 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by GKFv2:

End of the season is more appropriate. Starting one after a 30 point blowout to a terrible team kinda seems like you want to get some overblown reactions.

2 responses w/o overblown reactions. you see, have faith in uk...

just wanna preface my earlier comments by saying i didn't watch tonight's game... & judging from the boxscore i'm damn glad i didn't
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3/20/2009  10:47 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by GKFv2:

End of the season is more appropriate. Starting one after a 30 point blowout to a terrible team kinda seems like you want to get some overblown reactions.

2 responses w/o overblown reactions. you see, have faith in uk...

just wanna preface my earlier comments by saying i didn't watch tonight's game... & judging from the boxscore i'm damn glad i didn't



This explains it all.
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3/20/2009  10:49 PM
I think the biggest thing that D' has done is bring an end to the dysfunction, and unprofessionalism. He is a coach,and he is an authority figure. He has character, class and he is not a sociopath. I don't like his system, or his coaching style but I have enjoyed watching the Knicks this year for the first time in awhile. I also find myself watching more of the game. I like the way things have changed but they were really bad. I like to watch teams that focus on defense like the 90's Knicks and every team that has won a championship over the past 20 years. I will always be waiting for the Knicks to decide that they want to win something significant and replace D' but I don't feel as passoinate about his needing to be replaced as I did about Nelson, Chaney, Herb, and especially Isiah. As a fan my expectations have been lowered. I am happy to have a coach who does not embarass the organization and displays a level of professionalism.
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3/20/2009  10:51 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by GKFv2:

End of the season is more appropriate. Starting one after a 30 point blowout to a terrible team kinda seems like you want to get some overblown reactions.

2 responses w/o overblown reactions. you see, have faith in uk...

just wanna preface my earlier comments by saying i didn't watch tonight's game... & judging from the boxscore i'm damn glad i didn't



This explains it all.

the game was a big bust i take it.

harrr harrr
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3/20/2009  11:11 PM
GKF is going Gianna Michaels crazy.
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3/20/2009  11:14 PM
D'Antoni has a system but the talent of the Knicks doesn't fit his system. The Knicks are suppose to be up tempo type team but they stopped running a long time ago. Two good thing that D"antoni did and that is he has developed Chandler and Gallo regardless of back injury. Worst thing MDA did is lose Curry but he was already lost.

There are a lot of expiring contracts on the KNicks I suggest they start tearing this all down and build the team in preparation for 2010. They have to start this summer. They have to start bring in MDA type players and center is a must, I can't see Curry giving two shyts about basketball enough to come back in playing shape.
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3/20/2009  11:40 PM
This is year one of a multi-year plan. Necessary lip service aside, nobody (on the coaching staff or GM's staff) ever expected to win anything this year. Any type of good results that happened this year was just gonna be gravy. Going in Walsh and Danto knew they had a **** team, with a losing culture, maybe a few guys who would be salvagable. This year was for A) cleaning up the roster as much as possible to create cap space (nice job by Walsh), and B) seeing who's who on the roster, and what they might be able to contribute on a non-**** team going forward. IOW, who might be a keeper. So just because you and me got excited for a minute because the Knicks won a few games, don't get crazy. This is how it was going to be this year.
Now, to Danto, in my opinion he's been experimenting, trying to accomplish B) above. We know he is not a great end of game coach. He doesn't give a **** about defense. He does help guys enjoy competing and playing hard, which is IMPORTANT. It keeps guys loose and confident, both of which lead to wins. But there are flaws to the approach. HOWEVER, given that the bigger goal is to "figure out" the roster so that a "legit" team might be in place by 2010, the win-loss stats suffer this year. Bla-bla ****ing bla.
Final thoughts: hopefully we have figured out that 15 pts and 12 rebounds on a sucky team doesn't make you a building block. Please turn Mr. Double-double into draft picks and/or a sound defensive presence. Don't talk to me about his offense being anything close to special. Goodbye! Please!
Also, coaches, fouls exist for a reason. Obligate your players to commit at least 4 or 5 fouls by the end of the game, and each foul should prevent a field goal. Also learn about this whole concept of "a foul to give". A sucky team cannot afford not to use every minute advantage it has at its disposal.
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3/20/2009  11:50 PM
In a nutshell I would give him a 6. I don't agree with his philosopy of out scoring without any defense. I do agree that the players have to get mentally tougher. That is something that the coaches have said going back to LB.
I think his decision on Marbury was handled totally wrong. Now that we are in a playoff push and Duhon has shot his wad having Marbury around would have been helpful. His style and the individual players off season effort has aided certain players. David Lee take a bow. But it has also shown his weaknesses. I don't think opposing power forwards worry about DLee inspite of all those double doubles. has established a system. It needs to be tweaked, but he has definitely established a system.
Bring back dee-fense
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3/21/2009  12:08 AM
To me it's not about what MDA has done or not done this year. It's about What Walsh & MDA do this summer and next. MDA is a very good coach and he's proven that he can win with good talent. We need to add and develop that kind of talent. I mean really. Doc Rivers was being roasted before the Big Boston trades and now after a title no one really talks about him. When a good coach has talent everything is so much easier.
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3/21/2009  12:13 AM
The main thing this club was lucking - clarity.
It was all big smoke screen build by Isiah. By the way very well build and worked as designed.
Now thanks to Mike and Walsh everybody can see clear picture. The team sucks and most of the players suck...
Any false excitements about Lee, Nate, Duhon, etc. are gone and Walsh has clean pass to do whatever he want to get best possible players and assets.
So overall a very good job. Good 8.



[Edited by - arkrud on 03-21-2009 12:13 AM]

[Edited by - arkrud on 03-21-2009 12:14 AM]
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3/21/2009  12:15 AM
Fire D'Antoni

No sense spending the next 3 years pretending that this system works. How many other good players are we going to pass on so D'Antoni can have "his type of players"? Does anybody want to wake up 3 years from now and realize that the Knicks have to blow up the roster again because it's full of D'Antoni type players?
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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3/21/2009  12:20 AM
If you add a couple of post players, three hall of famers and Tom Thibs and allow him to coach your defense I think that D' could have a shot at winning. However, D' won't add post players and he won't allow someone to coach defense so his success will never be that great.
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