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3/20/2009  9:08 PM
We have no description as a team. I don't know what players are coming or going. They always overrated themselves. We have a coach who does not believe in a 7 footer--I really want to throw up after 9 years of this and you know it's going to go on for the foreseeable future. This is a disgrace--there is no direction here no players NOTHING and worst of we cant draft and we have no pick next year. We'll spend our time getting ready for Joe Johnson and 5 scrubs in 2010

I hate this style of basketball go get me a 7-0 C and a 6-10 PF and start from there.
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3/20/2009  9:12 PM
How many topics are you going to make from now till 2010 saying the same stuff? Cue the nyk4ever "Groundhog Day" movie picture.
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3/20/2009  10:01 PM
i think there's a good chance to get out of this never ending cycle, but this offseason is key... what Donnie does in terms of Lee & Nate will probably determine the foreseeable future for this franchise, as sad as that sounds considering neither of those guys are near franchise calibre talent... if he overpays to lock them up longterm, nothing much will change around here... we'll always be an undersized team at 2 positions most likely, unless like u say Donnie alleviates that by drafting a big C like a Thabeet, who carries question marks of his own... really, nothing outside of landing an established franchise veteran somehow either by trade or free agent signing can really take us out of this mess IMO... i'm convinced we'll never be horrible enough to land a top 3 pick in the near future, & if there's a franchise calibre talent lower in the draft somehow we always manage not to pick them.
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3/20/2009  10:18 PM
Good thing the Knicks didn't lock themselves into long term contracts with Nate and Lee and took the time to see them in think and thin.
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3/20/2009  10:33 PM
Posted by martin:

Good thing the Knicks didn't lock themselves into long term contracts with Nate and Lee and took the time to see them in think and thin.
Yeah lets give these players away for nothing. The best 6th man in the NBA and a guy who is second in the league in rebounding who is playing hurt. Lets just let them leave so we can sign Joe Smith and Keyon Dooling for minimum contracts. It was OK to start Nate for a couple of games but put him back in his position. David Lee should be shut down.
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3/20/2009  11:14 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:

Good thing the Knicks didn't lock themselves into long term contracts with Nate and Lee and took the time to see them in think and thin.
Yeah lets give these players away for nothing. The best 6th man in the NBA and a guy who is second in the league in rebounding who is playing hurt. Lets just let them leave so we can sign Joe Smith and Keyon Dooling for minimum contracts. It was OK to start Nate for a couple of games but put him back in his position. David Lee should be shut down.

I am not willing to overpay those players as you have suggested by but all means I am not letting them walk away for nothing either.
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3/20/2009  11:22 PM
Actually the team isn't that poorly designed. They have a center Curry, Pf Lee, Sf Harrington, SG Hughes, pg Duhon, Backup pg Nate, Back up sf Chandler/Gallo, Backup pf Jefferies, Backup Centers Wilcox. Now some players are from recent transaction, some play rarely and some never play.

This team was done once Curry decided not to show up in shape. They need him to be in shape and actually play center instead you have to have make shift centers. Curry threw this entire team out of wack.
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3/20/2009  11:23 PM
There is another thread about an interview with Dan D' saying that their bigs have to be able to hit the three. What happened to having a post up player demand a double team to set up the outside shot? I think it is great that the Knicks coach isn't being charged with sexual harrassment, calling out fans, being taped saying racial statements etc. but the honeymoon is over. There is no way D' is ever going to win anything significant with his style.
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3/20/2009  11:26 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

There is another thread about an interview with Dan D' saying that their bigs have to be able to hit the three.

Did he say hit the 3 or be able to shoot the ball? Big difference between the 2.

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3/20/2009  11:27 PM
Posted by Vmart:

Actually the team isn't that poorly designed. They have a center Curry, Pf Lee, Sf Harrington, SG Hughes, pg Duhon, Backup pg Nate, Back up sf Chandler/Gallo, Backup pf Jefferies, Backup Centers Wilcox. Now some players are from recent transaction, some play rarely and some never play.

This team was done once Curry decided not to show up in shape. They need him to be in shape and actually play center instead you have to have make shift centers. Curry threw this entire team out of wack.

Walsh did say before the start of the season that Curry was more important to this team than fans and the media want to admit. Oh well.
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Posted by BRIGGS:

We have no description as a team. I don't know what players are coming or going. They always overrated themselves. We have a coach who does not believe in a 7 footer--I really want to throw up after 9 years of this and you know it's going to go on for the foreseeable future. This is a disgrace--there is no direction here no players NOTHING and worst of we cant draft and we have no pick next year. We'll spend our time getting ready for Joe Johnson and 5 scrubs in 2010

I hate this style of basketball go get me a 7-0 C and a 6-10 PF and start from there.

here's the weird thing, the GM did just draft a 6'10" guy but he did hurt his back. The Knicks have been crapped on by Isiah and his rein and Donnie HAS set a new direction to the team by unloading Zbo, Crawford in a chance to upgrade on those guys with FA in 2010. We have a coach and a style unlike the 4 previous years. The players who are out are the one's who weren't going to contribute in the future, you just can't get rid of all of them overnight (Zbo, Crawford, Malik, Balkman, Collins, BigGame), Curry, Q, and Jefferies are next (and possibly Hughes and Harrington). Young guys like Nate, Lee, Chandler and Gallo (if not for a back injury) are all getting prime time minutes.

You expected to rebuild in one season?
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3/20/2009  11:32 PM
The team is in transition and we all knew this from the start. Once we added MDA and Walsh it was about seeing what we had and assessing who we keep and who to let go. Who to bring in and how we get cap space to do that. Well for the most part this year was a success. The losing is merely a sad circumstance of the process of cleaning up this mess for the long term. I'm saddened whenever the team losses but let's keep some perspective people. It was never about this year.

Who cares of the team at present is ill formed? I mean will any of this matter at the end of next season? Between now and 2010 and even 2011, there's going to be a lot of change and i'm betting it will eventually be for the better. I've seen enough that if MDA is given even decent pieces he can get a lot out of them, so what will happen if we give him some studs to work with and a balanced roster? IMO title contention.
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3/20/2009  11:40 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Vmart:

Actually the team isn't that poorly designed. They have a center Curry, Pf Lee, Sf Harrington, SG Hughes, pg Duhon, Backup pg Nate, Back up sf Chandler/Gallo, Backup pf Jefferies, Backup Centers Wilcox. Now some players are from recent transaction, some play rarely and some never play.

This team was done once Curry decided not to show up in shape. They need him to be in shape and actually play center instead you have to have make shift centers. Curry threw this entire team out of wack.

Walsh did say before the start of the season that Curry was more important to this team than fans and the media want to admit. Oh well.

A center is a center. I never understood why everyone says Curry wouldn't fit into the MDA system. Has everyone forgotten how the Nets won the east twice. They were a running team who was their center, Jason Collins he might be less athletic then Curry. Curry is needed and he has to come ready next season. The Knicks need to start targeting player that fit the up tempo system, and defense has to be a must. Shot blockers and high flyers with the capability to hit shots.
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3/21/2009  12:21 AM
Briggs - if we ran a conventional style we'd have won 15 games this year. If MikeD is such a terrible coach, then why are Hall of Fame coaches adopting his style?

He's a good coach. That's the least of our problems.

The reason we need to get rid of Nate and Lee is so that we can actually build a team from scratch with players that are selected to fit the system.

You and I have both mentioned plenty of players that would be great for the Knicks to draft. If they could move Nate and Lee for a pick each, or let them walk and buy two picks, then we can come out next year with a roster that fits Mike's plan.

Between Mullens or Derozan, there's a pretty decent shot that they'll take one of your favorite guys even if we don't obtain any extra picks.

The GM needs to wake up, that's for sure, but we'll see what they have up their sleeves at the draft.
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3/21/2009  12:28 AM
What hall of fame coaches are adopting his style? The HOF coaches running teams or coaching are Jackson, Pops, Riley, and Sloan. I may have left someone out but none of those guys are adopting to MD's style. Doug Moe and Don Nelson are the only guys that have had significant success that have coached with Mike's style.
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3/21/2009  12:31 AM
Sorry, I think I replied to the wrong thread.
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3/21/2009  12:31 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Briggs - if we ran a conventional style we'd have won 15 games this year. If MikeD is such a terrible coach, then why are Hall of Fame coaches adopting his style?

He's a good coach. That's the least of our problems.

The reason we need to get rid of Nate and Lee is so that we can actually build a team from scratch with players that are selected to fit the system.

I actually think that Nate fits the system to a T but only off the bench. And I think Lee fits too but only at PF (obviously he is playing out of position right now) and with a C next to him that protects the basket and is a tremendous weak side defender. Lee may be best as the 2nd or 3rd big (off the bench?) in a C/PF rotation.

Million $ question for both of those guys is at what price.
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3/21/2009  12:46 AM
Posted by CrushAlot:

What hall of fame coaches are adopting his style? The HOF coaches running teams or coaching are Jackson, Pops, Riley, and Sloan. I may have left someone out but none of those guys are adopting to MD's style. Doug Moe and Don Nelson are the only guys that have had significant success that have coached with Mike's style.

Have you ever heard Mike Kzechiewwwzzki or Boeheim talk about him? Have you noticed that Memphis runs our offense?

Why were the Suns better before he left and after his offense was reinstalled?

The 76ers are running his offense too.

A couple of bounces and Mike's Suns would have played for multiple championships. What exactly proved that it doesn't work? This idea that his system has been completely disproven is a little bit out there.

It is just a complete joke that we've run Wilkins, Brown, and Mike D through here and we're supposed to believe that its their systems that are at fault right? Maybe we might want to run a system for a couple of years and wash out all of these loser players before we bring yet another highly qualified coach in here.

Curry will end up breaching his contract somehow before 2010, and we're not going to resign Nate or Lee. That will leave us with draft picks, Jeffries and nothing else. We don't even need to extend Gallo past next season.

That is about as clean a slate as you can get. We'll see what they can build from it. That's all you can ask for.

This team has been a complete disaster since the the Camby trade. This summer should begin the first real steps forward.

If we come out of draft day and Nate and Lee have huge contracts, and we select Buddinger or something like that. Everybody should just stop watching, stop paying for tickets, stop buuying jerseys, stop giving a damn.
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3/21/2009  11:01 AM
This disaster has always gone back to the Ewing trade. It is been one disaster after another ever since. I don't understand the bad luck we have with the lottery picks the past 9 years and the incopetence of trading picks away for patch up work. Curry is the biggest mistake besides the Ewing trade, he cost us 2 precious lotto picks to build around. Never mind that playoff appearance 4 or 5 years ago. Past 9 years should have garnered 9 lotto picks and at least one of those should have been our own all star to build around. I like Gallo but dude is hurt and there is nothing we can expect of him until he is playing healthy and in one piece. Walsh is doing what he can with the mess the Knicks was into before he came aboard. At least he have a plan and I never heard of cap space in the past 9 years or so.
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3/21/2009  12:35 PM
Posted by martin:

I actually think that Nate fits the system to a T but only off the bench. And I think Lee fits too but only at PF (obviously he is playing out of position right now) and with a C next to him that protects the basket and is a tremendous weak side defender. Lee may be best as the 2nd or 3rd big (off the bench?) in a C/PF rotation.

Million $ question for both of those guys is at what price.

That's right on, they're ideal bench players, but its hard to build a team now if we give them decent contracts before we get the core starters in here.
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