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islesfan
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3/19/2009  2:36 PM
Kiki Vandeweghe was on WFAN this morning and said that they were aware that Gallinari had an issue with his back BEFORE the draft. He was very diplomatic when talking about Gallinari. He said they didn't do extensive research on his back because they realized that Gallinari would be picked ahead of them.

If there's even a hint of truth that at least one team was aware of Gallinari's back being an issue, and there's no reason to think a gentleman like Vandeweghe would be looking to sandbag anybody, then that's just a huge bombshell. I can't even wrap my head around something that grossly incompetent and cavalier.

The interview is on the http://www.wfan.com/ homepage. The Gallinari part was about a 1/3 of the way through.

[Edited by - islesfan on 19-03-2009 2:38 PM]
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3/19/2009  2:40 PM
Yeah, I remember hearing about his back issues during the predraft stuff. The condition he had was chronic, meaning symptons were there over an extended period of time. The fatty that fell on him wasn't the casue of the injury, it was more like the straw that broke the camel's back (no pun intended)
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3/19/2009  2:45 PM
Gallo was a P.R pick first, and a basketball pick second. THEY WERE GOING TO SELECT HIS ASS NO MATTER WHAT. He could have showed up to the work outs wearing a hockey mask with an axe dripping in blood. Wouldnt have mattered.

They made a half-hearted attempt at moving up to get Mayo. Their heart wasnt in grabbing him, because he probably was a "thug" in their eyes and resembled an Isiah selection too much.

Heaven forbid D'Antoni ever has a 7 footer whose primary goal is to create a presence in the middle and swat shots --- so out goes Lopez.

Gordon. See Mayo. Cant use Crawford as an excuse for not selecting him, because Walsh knew that Crawford was on his chopping block and would be on the first thing smokin' once he found somebody stupid enough to take him.

Randolph. See Mayo. Although that was somewhat of a gamble at the six.

Bayless. See Mayo.

At this point, we just have to hope against hope that Gallo is going to work. I dont know what else to say.

[Edited by - sebstar on 03-19-2009 2:47 PM]
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3/19/2009  2:52 PM
Posted by sebstar:

Gallo was a P.R pick first, and a basketball pick second. THEY WERE GOING TO SELECT HIS ASS NO MATTER WHAT. He could have showed up to the work outs wearing a hockey mask with an axe dripping in blood. Wouldnt have mattered.

They made a half-hearted attempt at moving up to get Mayo. Their heart wasnt in grabbing him, because he probably was a "thug" in their eyes and resembled an Isiah selection too much.

Heaven forbid D'Antoni ever has a 7 footer whose primary goal is to create a presence in the middle and swat shots --- so out goes Lopez.

Gordon. See Mayo. Cant use Crawford as an excuse for not selecting him, because Walsh knew that Crawford was on his chopping block and would be on the first thing smokin' once he found somebody stupid enough to take him.

Randolph. See Mayo. Although that was somewhat of a gamble at the six.

Bayless. See Mayo.

At this point, we just have to hope against hope that Gallo is going to work. I dont know what else to say.

[Edited by - sebstar on 03-19-2009 2:47 PM]

This "thug" bs is just that.. BS.

The Knicks had a trade in place with Memphis to trade Lee for their pick, but Lee nixed the deal. How is that "half-hearted"

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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by sebstar:

Gallo was a P.R pick first, and a basketball pick second. THEY WERE GOING TO SELECT HIS ASS NO MATTER WHAT. He could have showed up to the work outs wearing a hockey mask with an axe dripping in blood. Wouldnt have mattered.

They made a half-hearted attempt at moving up to get Mayo. Their heart wasnt in grabbing him, because he probably was a "thug" in their eyes and resembled an Isiah selection too much.

Heaven forbid D'Antoni ever has a 7 footer whose primary goal is to create a presence in the middle and swat shots --- so out goes Lopez.

Gordon. See Mayo. Cant use Crawford as an excuse for not selecting him, because Walsh knew that Crawford was on his chopping block and would be on the first thing smokin' once he found somebody stupid enough to take him.

Randolph. See Mayo. Although that was somewhat of a gamble at the six.

Bayless. See Mayo.

At this point, we just have to hope against hope that Gallo is going to work. I dont know what else to say.

[Edited by - sebstar on 03-19-2009 2:47 PM]

This "thug" bs is just that.. BS.

The Knicks had a trade in place with Memphis to trade Lee for their pick, but Lee nixed the deal. How is that "half-hearted"

If you can't back up these crazy statements, maybe you shouldn't make them...

The guy that you want to select, Gallo, has a bad back and is damaged goods. You're not interested in Gordon, Lopez, Bayless, Randolph...ext.

Mayo has superstar written all over him. All we simply need to do is move up one slot. You're already on record as saying that this draft is crucial and you have to get it right. You get Mayo. You do whatever it takes, that's what being a GM is all about. Who knows what was going on behind closed doors, but the results are the results. I actually think the whole trade scenario with Lee was a big put-on for the most part, but I dont want to get all "Playa" up in here. They wanted Gallo.

I view his attempt at half-hearted because they made a P.R pick in Gallo, as opposed to the more natural selection of Gordon who would have been a solid consolation prize to the Mayo failure.
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3/19/2009  3:16 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by sebstar:

Gallo was a P.R pick first, and a basketball pick second. THEY WERE GOING TO SELECT HIS ASS NO MATTER WHAT. He could have showed up to the work outs wearing a hockey mask with an axe dripping in blood. Wouldnt have mattered.

They made a half-hearted attempt at moving up to get Mayo. Their heart wasnt in grabbing him, because he probably was a "thug" in their eyes and resembled an Isiah selection too much.

Heaven forbid D'Antoni ever has a 7 footer whose primary goal is to create a presence in the middle and swat shots --- so out goes Lopez.

Gordon. See Mayo. Cant use Crawford as an excuse for not selecting him, because Walsh knew that Crawford was on his chopping block and would be on the first thing smokin' once he found somebody stupid enough to take him.

Randolph. See Mayo. Although that was somewhat of a gamble at the six.

Bayless. See Mayo.

At this point, we just have to hope against hope that Gallo is going to work. I dont know what else to say.

[Edited by - sebstar on 03-19-2009 2:47 PM]

This "thug" bs is just that.. BS.

The Knicks had a trade in place with Memphis to trade Lee for their pick, but Lee nixed the deal. How is that "half-hearted"

If you can't back up these crazy statements, maybe you shouldn't make them...

The guy that you want to select, Gallo, has a bad back and is damaged goods. You're not interested in Gordon, Lopez, Bayless, Randolph...ext.

Mayo has superstar written all over him. All we simply need to do is move up one slot. You're already on record as saying that this draft is crucial and you have to get it right. You get Mayo. You do whatever it takes, that's what being a GM is all about. Who knows what was going on behind closed doors, but the results are the results. I actually think the whole trade scenario with Lee was a big put-on for the most part, but I dont want to get all "Playa" up in here. They wanted Gallo.

I view his attempt at half-hearted because they made a P.R pick in Gallo, as opposed to the more natural selection of Gordon who would have been a solid consolation prize to the Mayo failure.

What is the first line of your post? I wasn't interested in drafting Gallo. I wanted Russell Westbrook first and foremost and then I wanted Anthony Randolph.

The 90s Knicks, (where the team acquired a huge part of their current fanbase) was a predominantly black team that this city and it's fans absolutely adored. Now all the sudden ownership is looking to make PR picks by picking FOREIGN white dudes from Italy? Cmon dude get real. I wouldn't have picked Gallo but we did and I'm going to hope for the best for the kid. He was picked because he was thought to be the best player, whether you agree with it or not.

Conspiracy theories aside please or go join Playa.
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3/19/2009  3:17 PM
the knicks were gonna get a euro this season after seeing the huge international fan support visiting players got last year (including the crazy navarro chants). so i guess this was their way in getting one.
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3/19/2009  3:19 PM
when I said "you" I was talking about Walsh.

And what is your line of reasoning as to why we drafted a guy with the number 6 pick with a bad back, when there was a wealth of talent immediately before, and certainly after our selection.
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Posted by djsunyc:

the knicks were gonna get a euro this season after seeing the huge international fan support visiting players got last year (including the crazy navarro chants). so i guess this was their way in getting one.

absolutely. There is no question about this. Gallo or bust.
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Posted by djsunyc:

the knicks were gonna get a euro this season after seeing the huge international fan support visiting players got last year (including the crazy navarro chants). so i guess this was their way in getting one.

I don't get that at all DJ. If the only euro in the draft was a one-legged midgit, you're telling me they were going to draft him?

This stuff just sounds silly to me. I seriously doubt the Knicks were going to compromise taking a better player in this draft just take an international player.
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:

the knicks were gonna get a euro this season after seeing the huge international fan support visiting players got last year (including the crazy navarro chants). so i guess this was their way in getting one.

I don't get that at all DJ. If the only euro in the draft was a one-legged midgit, you're telling me they were going to draft him?

This stuff just sounds silly to me. I seriously doubt the Knicks were going to compromise taking a better player in this draft just take an international player.

Thats what they did. NY fans are savvy. They booed the shyt out of this pick.
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Posted by sebstar:

when I said "you" I was talking about Walsh.

And what is your line of reasoning as to why we drafted a guy with the number 6 pick with a bad back, when there was a wealth of talent immediately before, and certainly after our selection.

My guess is they thought he was the best player on the board. Why did Dumars draft Darko over Melo, Wade, Bosh? Why did the Wizards draft Kwame Brown over Tyson Chandler, Joe Johnson and Pau Gasol? This **** happens dude.
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Posted by sebstar:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:

the knicks were gonna get a euro this season after seeing the huge international fan support visiting players got last year (including the crazy navarro chants). so i guess this was their way in getting one.

I don't get that at all DJ. If the only euro in the draft was a one-legged midgit, you're telling me they were going to draft him?

This stuff just sounds silly to me. I seriously doubt the Knicks were going to compromise taking a better player in this draft just take an international player.

Thats what they did. NY fans are savvy. They booed the shyt out of this pick.

The Knick fans have booed the **** out of every pick in the last 10+ years...
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by sebstar:

when I said "you" I was talking about Walsh.

And what is your line of reasoning as to why we drafted a guy with the number 6 pick with a bad back, when there was a wealth of talent immediately before, and certainly after our selection.

My guess is they thought he was the best player on the board. Why did Dumars draft Darko over Melo, Wade, Bosh? Why did the Wizards draft Kwame Brown over Tyson Chandler, Joe Johnson and Pau Gasol? This **** happens dude.

Dumars was hoodwinked by the Euro craze earlier in the decade. Same deal, almost. His pick was definitely more sociological and psychological than basketball minded. His mistake cost them championships.

Yeah, every GM makes mistakes. Drafting is not an exact science, for sure. But once it was discovered that Gallo had back issues at 19 years of age, he should have been taken off the board considering the talent that was behind him. Point blank. Why wasnt he?
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:

the knicks were gonna get a euro this season after seeing the huge international fan support visiting players got last year (including the crazy navarro chants). so i guess this was their way in getting one.

I don't get that at all DJ. If the only euro in the draft was a one-legged midgit, you're telling me they were going to draft him?

This stuff just sounds silly to me. I seriously doubt the Knicks were going to compromise taking a better player in this draft just take an international player.

Thats what they did. NY fans are savvy. They booed the shyt out of this pick.

The Knick fans have booed the **** out of every pick in the last 10+ years...

We've rarely even had lotto selections the last 10 years, so I dont know where that comment is even coming from.
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3/19/2009  3:30 PM
Well the Wizards ****ed the draft up because Michael Jordan is an ******* and clearly knows very little about the game when he doesn't have the ball. He has again proved himself with the Bobcats with his over spending, trades and drafting of Adam Morrison

Dumars also let Okur go for nothing, traded for Iverson, signed Kwame Brown, and got very lucky that Sheed fell into his lap.

Obviously the draft isn't an exact science and players take a while to come into form, but Knicks fans have every right to bo the drafting of this franchise.

Charlie Ward, David Lee, Nate Robinson and Wilson Chandler those are your guys that have made a contribution.

There is no reason the Spurs should have better front office executives, the suns should have a better medical staff and that this team can't ****ing build through the draft.
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Posted by sebstar:
Posted by nyk4ever:
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when I said "you" I was talking about Walsh.

And what is your line of reasoning as to why we drafted a guy with the number 6 pick with a bad back, when there was a wealth of talent immediately before, and certainly after our selection.

My guess is they thought he was the best player on the board. Why did Dumars draft Darko over Melo, Wade, Bosh? Why did the Wizards draft Kwame Brown over Tyson Chandler, Joe Johnson and Pau Gasol? This **** happens dude.

Dumars was hoodwinked by the Euro craze earlier in the decade. Same deal, almost. His pick was definitely more sociological and psychological than basketball minded. His mistake cost them championships.

Yeah, every GM makes mistakes. Drafting is not an exact science, for sure. But once it was discovered that Gallo had back issues at 19 years of age, he should have been taken off the board considering the talent that was behind him. Point blank. Why wasnt he?

I have no idea. I seriously and I say SERIOUSLY doubt that Donnie Walsh would come here and let his first draft selection be an injury-riddled international player with a known back-issue that was this bad. My guess is that he got some bad information from some doctors.

All I'm saying is I doubt he thought the back issue was that bad, because if he did I doubt he would still draft him. What is the benefit of drafting him knowing he's hurt? Ok, maybe you get a bit more of a season tickets boom for the upcoming year, BUT if his back injury was known to be as bad it is, then theres a real chance he may never play in the league and how does that help your franchise sell tickets to these Euros? It doesn't, so selecting him makes no sense.
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3/19/2009  3:31 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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the knicks were gonna get a euro this season after seeing the huge international fan support visiting players got last year (including the crazy navarro chants). so i guess this was their way in getting one.

I don't get that at all DJ. If the only euro in the draft was a one-legged midgit, you're telling me they were going to draft him?

This stuff just sounds silly to me. I seriously doubt the Knicks were going to compromise taking a better player in this draft just take an international player.

no, they were going to get a euro player for this season. i think they just saw the draft (w/ gallo) as their shot. if they didn't take gallo, they would've signed or traded for an international player. so a non US player was going to be on the knicks this season.
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3/19/2009  3:33 PM
Always have to rely on isles to bring the negativity. When are you gonna change dude? I guarantee if there was a "Gallinari pain, injury-free" headline you wouldn't even care to post it and only comment in the topic with some sarcastic reply. Whatever man. It gets told after a while.
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3/19/2009  3:35 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:

the knicks were gonna get a euro this season after seeing the huge international fan support visiting players got last year (including the crazy navarro chants). so i guess this was their way in getting one.

I don't get that at all DJ. If the only euro in the draft was a one-legged midgit, you're telling me they were going to draft him?

This stuff just sounds silly to me. I seriously doubt the Knicks were going to compromise taking a better player in this draft just take an international player.

I think the point is that Gallinari being European was a factor in why picked him. Once it became a factor, it could be weighed more or less heavily as all factors are in evaluating draft picks.

Unfortunately for Knicks fans, his preexisting back problems weren't weighed nearly as heavily as they should have been, assuming it was even considered at all.
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