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3/19/2009  12:42 PM
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3/19/2009  1:01 PM
Another nice one.

Starting out the first 10 seconds with the annoyed paper shuffling and that long, exasperated sigh pretty much said it all.
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3/19/2009  3:19 PM
"Chiek Samb... that boy is dark... i bet when he go to the club he just sneak in closes his eyes & walks right past the bouncer."

OMG, HILARIOUS!
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3/19/2009  3:23 PM
ROFL! Fishlips impersonation... dude, u kill me.
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3/19/2009  3:42 PM
LOL...thanks bro..I figured we might as well joke about the horrible game last night.
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3/19/2009  4:08 PM
Hmm, I'm not completely on the Carmello bangwagon. He's a hell of a scorer, but I would not assign him as the guy you build the franchise around. It has Marbury written all over it.

And he's NOT better than:
Patrick Ewing
Bernard King
Willis Reed
Walt Frazier
Earl Monroe
Dave DeBuschere
Bill Bradley
Dick Barnett

I have a feeling that if we were to get Carmello, people would think "That's it, we're done rebuilding, we can win it all now." He's not that type of player. He can be your top scorer, but you don't build a franchise around him and that's what we would be doing.

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3/19/2009  4:36 PM
Allanfan...Melo is going to go down as one of the best players ever. He just needs to get in the right system.
Only person on that list that may be better than Melo is King. Everybody else on that list did not have the skills of Melo.
There is nothing on the court Melo can't do.
How does it have Marbury written all over it?
Was Marbury ever a top 5 player in the league?
After Kobe, Lebron and Wade...Melo is next.
Sorry bro..we have to agree to disagree.
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3/19/2009  4:48 PM

Hang on...Melo is better than Frazier and Patrick???...Melo isn't a franchise player..Melo can't play defense...He is a talent on offense but

Right now..
Garnett is better than Melo
Pierce is better than Melo
Duncan is better than Melo
Howard is better/more valuable than Melo
Paul is better tan Melo
I may even take Deron Williams over Melo..

Melo is good...A great...NO!!!



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3/19/2009  5:04 PM
WHAT!?!?!?!?
Do you guys even watch Melo?
I really hope Donnie trades for this kid so you can see what I'm talking about.
Melo was the 2nd highest scorer on the Olympic team which included Paul, Howard and Williams.
To put Duncan and Garnett in the same convo as Melo is crazy. Those guys are almost 35 years old...Melo is 24. I repeat...Melo is 24!!!!!
I like Pierce so I'm not going to trash him but I do know he's not better than Melo.
No way.
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3/19/2009  5:44 PM
Offensively Melo is a top 5 player w/o question, there's very little dropoff from guys like Lebron, Wade or Kobe when we're talking purely about scoring ability... it's his defensive weakness that makes him a questionable franchise level talent... for a team that can only afford to sign 1 big money player, u have to make sure that player can bring it on both ends of the floor... just about every team that's won a championship in recent memory has had at least 1 franchise guy if not 2 that have made a major impact on both ends of the floor, from Olajuwon, to Shaq & Kobe, to Jordan, to Duncan, to KG & Pierce... IMO if i was starting to build a team, i would take someone like Dwight Howard way before i ever considered taking Melo, so in essence, even tho Melo's scoring might be on a higher level, overall Dwight is a better player & has much more value around the NBA... the same applies to CP3... his overall value to the team in terms of leadership, offensive orchestration, scoring & defensive steals makes CP3 the more well rounded player & most teams wouldn't think twice about building around him.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-19-2009 2:45 PM]
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3/19/2009  5:51 PM
D'Antoni will have Melo averaging 30+ per game. I'm for Melo, LeBron is a pie in the sky dream. 2010 is no guarantee that LeBron or Wade will be Knicks especially when their respected teams can pay more than the Knicks.
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3/19/2009  6:03 PM
I hear you TMS..my point is Melo is the MUCH MORE realistic scenario. We can actually get Melo. We have a better shot of him coming here than Lebron or Wade or even Bosh who I think will go to Cleveland. Melo in NY would be dynomite and he would average well over 30 in this offense.Why do people talk about his defense? How many stars actually pla defense besides Kobe and Howard. Notice I didn't mention Paul because even though he gets alot of steals...at least 90 percent are him coming up on players blind side and stripping them. Get him in a one on one and he's just as bad as KryptoNate. My point is...Melos advantages outweigh his disadvantages by a long shot...it's not even close. Melo is the 2nd best post player in the league behind Black Mamba.
You guys need to get the league pass for the rest of the year and watch this guy play more. Like a writer on ESPN said...he is a blast from the past meaning he's a player nowadays that seems like he should've been playiing in the 90's with the Jordans, Barkleys, Ewings and so on.
I'm telling you...this would be the best move Donnie could make.
Don't tell me Denver won't bite on a Chandler, Lee and 1st round pick for Melo.
That's a trade good for both teams and guess what?
It's realistic
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3/19/2009  6:15 PM
Posted by DaJoka:

WHAT!?!?!?!?
Do you guys even watch Melo?
I really hope Donnie trades for this kid so you can see what I'm talking about.
Melo was the 2nd highest scorer on the Olympic team which included Paul, Howard and Williams.
To put Duncan and Garnett in the same convo as Melo is crazy. Those guys are almost 35 years old...Melo is 24. I repeat...Melo is 24!!!!!
I like Pierce so I'm not going to trash him but I do know he's not better than Melo.
No way.

I'm looking at this on the surface of things...Not taking age into account or the next 5 years...All I'm saying is that Melo is not franchise...You could build a team around Garnett and Duncan and get rings back...Melo had an awesome lineup that I couldn't even comprehend how this team can't win..He had Camby playing all word defense and rebounding...KMart hurt but excellent defender..Nene is no slouch either at PF...JR Smith was adequate at the two...Blake could have run the point...Thats enough to compete if you are a franchise player...I can't see how it gets better than that...

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3/19/2009  6:23 PM
i think Amare & Melo are probably guys that we can realistically target w/what we have... the question is at what cost... i think u could probably get Amare at a cheaper cost in terms of talent u trade & i would actually rather go that route myself... to get a player like Melo ur talking about completely gutting the roster of all your best young talent... i'd rather try & get Amare for a package of Lee, Nate & Harrington or something along those lines... i think that's pretty realistic... for Melo i think u'd have to give up more, at least our lottery pick &/or Wilson Chandler on top of what u'd have to give up for Amare... just MHO.
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3/19/2009  6:36 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by DaJoka:

WHAT!?!?!?!?
Do you guys even watch Melo?
I really hope Donnie trades for this kid so you can see what I'm talking about.
Melo was the 2nd highest scorer on the Olympic team which included Paul, Howard and Williams.
To put Duncan and Garnett in the same convo as Melo is crazy. Those guys are almost 35 years old...Melo is 24. I repeat...Melo is 24!!!!!
I like Pierce so I'm not going to trash him but I do know he's not better than Melo.
No way.

I'm looking at this on the surface of things...Not taking age into account or the next 5 years...All I'm saying is that Melo is not franchise...You could build a team around Garnett and Duncan and get rings back...Melo had an awesome lineup that I couldn't even comprehend how this team can't win..He had Camby playing all word defense and rebounding...KMart hurt but excellent defender..Nene is no slouch either at PF...JR Smith was adequate at the two...Blake could have run the point...Thats enough to compete if you are a franchise player...I can't see how it gets better than that...



Are you talking about last year when they went 52 and 30? Then if I'm not mistaken they lost in the 1st round to the eventual Western Conf Champs.
How about the year before that when they went 45-37? Can't be talking about that year.
Lets see...the year before that they finished 3rd in the West at 44-38.
Year before that they were 49-33 and in his rookie season of 03-04 he led the Nuggets to the playoffs as an 8th seed with a 43-39 record.
Would you like to know how many wins they had the year before Melo got there or should I say when he was the go to guy and team leader as a freshman on a team that won the NCAA Chip? Check this out...you won't believe it....wait for it....wait for it....they had a grand total of 17 wins.
Getting traded to NY would put Melo on the same superstar level as Lebron, Kobe and Wade because offensively he has the same skills.


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3/19/2009  7:34 PM
Posted by TMS:

i think Amare & Melo are probably guys that we can realistically target w/what we have... the question is at what cost... i think u could probably get Amare at a cheaper cost in terms of talent u trade & i would actually rather go that route myself... to get a player like Melo ur talking about completely gutting the roster of all your best young talent... i'd rather try & get Amare for a package of Lee, Nate & Harrington or something along those lines... i think that's pretty realistic... for Melo i think u'd have to give up more, at least our lottery pick &/or Wilson Chandler on top of what u'd have to give up for Amare... just MHO.

That wouldn't be so bad a chance to gut the team and ad talent to build on. That is a chance worth taking.

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3/20/2009  12:53 AM
Posted by DaJoka:

Allanfan...Melo is going to go down as one of the best players ever. He just needs to get in the right system.
Only person on that list that may be better than Melo is King. Everybody else on that list did not have the skills of Melo.
There is nothing on the court Melo can't do.
How does it have Marbury written all over it?
Was Marbury ever a top 5 player in the league?
After Kobe, Lebron and Wade...Melo is next.
Sorry bro..we have to agree to disagree.

Joka, you make good points, but let me make a couple of arguements:

You're contradicting yourself in one area. You said there's nothing on the court Melo can't do and you said he's a top 5 player. However, you also said he needs to be in the right system.

Don't you think that a top 5 player in the NBA and someone who can do anything on the court can play in any system at any given point, no matter what the circumstances are?

And believe it or not, that's why I compared him to Marbury. Marbury could do anything if he tried or put his head into it. Shoot, drive, finish, hit the 3, hit the mid range and free throw, defend quicker guards (Although that's where he struggles the most) yet he can also defender the power guards. He can pass. Heck, I've even seen him post up and do well at it. He can do anything. It's the same with Melo. He can do any of that. However, the problem is, if he actually did all of that consistently, don't you think Denver would have at least been in the finals already, with the talent they've had?

And I'm not here to bash Melo. I like him. He's a heck of a player and he very well can be great if he does all of those things consistently. However, while he may have the talent as all of those great Knicks, he's not as good as them b/c they took their games to the limit and then pushed the limits and became leaders in the process. They could all carry their teams at a given point and they could have done that without scoring. They could do it on both ends and they did. They had the talent to go along with it.

If Melo can lead and if he can max out, then we can start talking about him being better than those guys. But while he's got the talent, he's not even close to those guys yet. He hasn't even led his team out of the first round of the playoffs, I believe (With very good talent surrounding him).

Lets see him do that and lets see how he can go head to head with Kobe and Tim Duncan in the playoffs. He keeps getting beat but hopefully he can win.

I'm just saying don't build the franchise around him until he shows he can win.
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3/20/2009  1:38 AM
You were hilarious in this vid!!! You seem to be getting more comfortable on the camera.
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3/20/2009  12:06 PM
Yeah, quite enjoyable Joka. Losing is a bit more bearable...

I'm not sold on Melo. I think a well oiled team will beat a team with Melo on it. Since he demands the ball so much that can kill team chemistry. But, I'm not sure. I'm game to try as at least he is a top talent and I don't think we want to wait much more to make the playoffs. NY deserves better (than this losing), really...
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3/20/2009  1:43 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

You were hilarious in this vid!!! You seem to be getting more comfortable on the camera.

still gets an epic fail for not having a chick dancing in the background.
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