Posted by franco12:

sporadically, I have been catching NBA League pass and watching teams like Dallas and Phoenix and they manage to find good, young, cheap players that contribute.

WTF? Why can't we do that?

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by martin:

Posted by franco12:

sporadically, I have been catching NBA League pass and watching teams like Dallas and Phoenix and they manage to find good, young, cheap players that contribute.

WTF? Why can't we do that?

it's easier to fill spots when you have an all-star or 2 on the roster. Scrubs play much better.

Look at Matt Barnes, he looked like crap with the Knicks but plays awesome in PHO.

so the question is do you sacrifice getting an allstar by re-signing non-allstar players for somewhat bigger contracts?

Posted by martin:

Posted by Vmart:

Posted by martin:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by martin:

Posted by franco12:

sporadically, I have been catching NBA League pass and watching teams like Dallas and Phoenix and they manage to find good, young, cheap players that contribute.

WTF? Why can't we do that?

it's easier to fill spots when you have an all-star or 2 on the roster. Scrubs play much better.

Look at Matt Barnes, he looked like crap with the Knicks but plays awesome in PHO.

so the question is do you sacrifice getting an allstar by re-signing non-allstar players for somewhat bigger contracts?

that's the million dollar question.

Is Nate worth $7M to come off the bench? He aint starting material. If you can't start him at $5M, then maybe it's worth it.

I guess if you must sign Lee, Nate this offseason you do so to reasonable contacts that can be traded. Or you move them with the likes of JJ.

I think the knicks have to move both Lee and Nate. This team needs new direction and it starts with getting rid of all the players. This team needs an entire cleansing.

why? They are good players who are playing positions they should not. I think at $7 and $5.5M , Lee and Nate respectively, are good pieces. If the Cavs didn't have LeBron, Mo Williams, Delonte West and Varejao would be held in the same breadth as Lee, Nate and Chandler.

Now, if Lee demands what should be starting $ and we all note that he is only really doing it on one end of the court albeit out of position as a center, than maybe we try to move him.

Nate is the perfect 6th man. But he does need big guards around him.

I just wouldn't move those guys carte blanche.

Martin let see what they ask for in their contract demands. If it is obscene amounts then let them go. I personally would like a S&T but if that doesn't happen then its ok to let them walk. The Knicks need defensive presence and it catches them often. Lee isn't a center and frankly I doubt he can keep up with PFs who are athletic. As for Nate I like Nate but right now he is playing himself into a big pay day but when it is all said and done Nate is height challenged and that will always be his down fall.

The Knicks have an opportunity to make out like bandits in this time when teams maybe willing to part with very good players and the Knicks are loaded with expiring deals. I don't believe in the Lebron to NY stuff, this might be a golden opportunity for the Knicks to get solid proven NBA players in exchange for expiring deals.

If I had to keep a player from this roster it would be Chandler and Gallo and this years draft pick.

Posted by Vmart:

Martin let see what they ask for in their contract demands. If it is obscene amounts then let them go. I personally would like a S&T but if that doesn't happen then its ok to let them walk. The Knicks need defensive presence and it catches them often. Lee isn't a center and frankly I doubt he can keep up with PFs who are athletic. As for Nate I like Nate but right now he is playing himself into a big pay day but when it is all said and done Nate is height challenged and that will always be his down fall.

The Knicks have an opportunity to make out like bandits in this time when teams maybe willing to part with very good players and the Knicks are loaded with expiring deals. I don't believe in the Lebron to NY stuff, this might be a golden opportunity for the Knicks to get solid proven NBA players in exchange for expiring deals.

If I had to keep a player from this roster it would be Chandler and Gallo and this years draft pick.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Hey you guys can dance around the real issue. The coach ain't exactly helping matters either. These guys are freelancing out there. No set plays. Guys jack up shots when they feel like it. The coach encourage any open man to take a shot. When they make them shots its great when they don't its looks horrible. The GM gives the coach other players and the coach can't find ways to work them into the rotation. I don't care what anyone says management and the coaching staff aren't on the same page.

Posted by Vmart:

Posted by franco12:

I think what you see is what you will get.

Improvement is going to have to come from having everyone together from the start, and any draft pick we might pick up in 2009.

We have seen some potential from this group- perhaps starting the season together will be enough.

I don't think the Knicks can afford to comeback with the same team.

Co-Sign with Franco. There will be some changes or additions but nothing earth shattering.


VMart have you still not come to terms with the fact that this season and next seasons rosters are not assembled to win games? They are assembled to rid us of Isiah's crap. When the time comes, Summer of 2010, the majority of the players on this and next years rosters will be purged. A handful of current Knicks are merely auditioning for the 2010-2011 Knicks roster.

I don't understand how and why this basic fact gets lost in the mix on the forums. You don't add players to this crap roster. You continue to purge this crap roster. Purging completion takes place July 1st, 2010. That's when you begin to build the new team.

If a piece comes along that you covet then you go out and get it and hold onto it until 2010 arrives to use as a piece to build the new team with.

You do not go out and panic and trade for players who extend beyond 2010 in an effort to salvage this disaster of a roster.

There is a plan in place and it is being followed to a T no matter how many fans are upset with losing they will not deviate from the plan.

So it's time to just sit back and wait it out like the rest of us.