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SupremeCommander
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3/16/2009  9:39 AM
I watched last night's game streamed, and as a result I watched the Cavs' broadcast. Austin Carr is their play-by-play guy, and I'd sya he has a high reputation around the league for analysis.

Anyway, last night he said that the Knicks will absolutely build around Al Harrington, David Lee, Nate Robinson, and a fourth (can't remember if it was Chandler or Gallo, but I suppose it doesn't matter as if one is included, the other should be too). He also was complimentary about the team's future when mentioning those four.

I thought it was interesting, as we can't agree if Lee and Nate are keepers, yet a NCAA Hall of Famer whose jersey is retired by the Cavs firmly and matter-of-factly stated we have four keepers.

I guess the question is, do we have a core? Do we only need to add one piece? And if greats and other teams think we have keepers, do we keep them or trade them when their value is perceived to be high?
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3/16/2009  9:46 AM
I don't know about Al. I will never be sold on him. His age and dominance of the basketball translate to less time and touches for our core (which includes Gallo and Wilson for sure). This season, ok, and maybe even next, but he will be 30 in two years and unless he is willing to take a severely diminished role, salary-- he will go elsewhere in search of a paycheck that he feels is rightfully his.
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3/16/2009  9:47 AM
Our team currently needs 2 pieces, a shotblocking C and a playmaking PG. This is something that has been stated in UK for a long time. A Nash, CP3, Deron Williams type would really do wonders for this team. Duhon has been great at the beginning and Nate is Nate but we need someone in the upper echelon of PGs to really make D'Antoni's system work.
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3/16/2009  10:07 AM
Posted by NYKBocker:

Our team currently needs 2 pieces, a shotblocking C and a playmaking PG. This is something that has been stated in UK for a long time. A Nash, CP3, Deron Williams type would really do wonders for this team. Duhon has been great at the beginning and Nate is Nate but we need someone in the upper echelon of PGs to really make D'Antoni's system work.


There's really two camps on this issue right now, and gray inbetween. One group does believe that the team really only needs two pieces. The other group acknowledges the team needs these pieces, but the players Carr says are keepers the second group believes will hamstring the Knicks financially and won't be able to acquire that true star that nets the Knicks a championship banner. Most fall in that gray area where they want the team to keep as many of these guys as possible, but not at the expense of losing 2010 financial flexibility
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3/16/2009  10:12 AM
I don't know how he came to that conclusion.. I can't see this team building anything with Al harrington part of the core... Please NO...

I can see gallo and chandler for sure, nate and lee, one maybe both, but not sure... other than that, I don't see any guranteed keepers....
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3/16/2009  10:25 AM
Posted by orangeblobman:

I don't know about Al.

Posted by tkf:

I don't know how he came to that conclusion.. I can't see this team building anything with Al harrington part of the core... Please NO...

I agree, which is why I found Carr's opinion (for lack of a better word) interesting. Bottom line is his credentials are better than mine, but so were Isiah Thomas'...

Anyway, he had good things to say about the team's future, so regardless of agreeing or disagreeing, I'd say it's refreshing to hear good things from the opposition's commentators nonetheless
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3/16/2009  10:25 AM
Around Al Harrington. This guy has lost his mind. He should be traded over the summer or during next season. I think you have to keep nate his one of the best scorers in basketball and does fill up a stat sheet, Chandler is frustrating because he doesn't know how good he can really be and Lee obviously is a nice player, Gallo is the real question mark here. He has the winning intagibles to his game but it's pretty limited.

Everyone talks about Cleveland being so close to a title but if we started Duhon, Lebron, Chandler, Lee, and let's say Curry get his act together and we still have Nate and Gallo off the bench or Gallo starts, I think Nate looks better than mo williams, chandler is better than delonte, Lee better than anderson and z will be broken down next season, what is the real difference??
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3/16/2009  10:29 AM
Where are we playing Lee if we get this center?

If he's a backup, he's not worth $8 million.
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3/16/2009  10:30 AM
Posted by tkf:

I don't know how he came to that conclusion.. I can't see this team building anything with Al harrington part of the core... Please NO...

I can see gallo and chandler for sure, nate and lee, one maybe both, but not sure... other than that, I don't see any guranteed keepers....

Chan and Galo are not of the concern at all - they will be around and will have an opportunity to show if they are keepers or not.
Keeping Nate and Lee can save us from big disappointment if they will go elsewhere and will have a great NBA carrier; and they can do just that.
For all our other players - they all can and will be used to get better players/assets and we have nothing to lose here.
However if Lee and Nate will be requested in trade for star players of this league there is no question we had to consider moving them.
Same is true if they will get some inflated offers from other teams. We will need to think if they worth to be matched.




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3/16/2009  10:39 AM
Posted by MS:

Around Al Harrington. This guy has lost his mind. He should be traded over the summer or during next season. I think you have to keep nate his one of the best scorers in basketball and does fill up a stat sheet, Chandler is frustrating because he doesn't know how good he can really be and Lee obviously is a nice player, Gallo is the real question mark here. He has the winning intagibles to his game but it's pretty limited.

Everyone talks about Cleveland being so close to a title but if we started Duhon, Lebron, Chandler, Lee, and let's say Curry get his act together and we still have Nate and Gallo off the bench or Gallo starts, I think Nate looks better than mo williams, chandler is better than delonte, Lee better than anderson and z will be broken down next season, what is the real difference??


we have a better chance of making the playoffs and winning the lottery at the same time...
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3/16/2009  10:48 AM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

I watched last night's game streamed, and as a result I watched the Cavs' broadcast. Austin Carr is their play-by-play guy, and I'd sya he has a high reputation around the league for analysis.

Anyway, last night he said that the Knicks will absolutely build around Al Harrington, David Lee, Nate Robinson, and a fourth (can't remember if it was Chandler or Gallo, but I suppose it doesn't matter as if one is included, the other should be too). He also was complimentary about the team's future when mentioning those four.

I thought it was interesting, as we can't agree if Lee and Nate are keepers, yet a NCAA Hall of Famer whose jersey is retired by the Cavs firmly and matter-of-factly stated we have four keepers.

I guess the question is, do we have a core? Do we only need to add one piece? And if greats and other teams think we have keepers, do we keep them or trade them when their value is perceived to be high?


I watched the Cav's feed via direct tv as well -- I'm pretty sure Carr said Al was probably 1-4 guys (naming Lee, Nate and Chandler) and forgetting Gallo. That said - not sure Austin was taking contracts and cap into full consideration and he really didn't give guys like Duhon much thought.

I watch a # of games where the other teams announcers do the game and they are typically VERY complimentary towards our system and D'Antoni. They almost always point to the relentlessness at which we attack aggressively and quickly on the offensive end. I just wish we'd stop chucking so many 3s -- I'm sure D'Anotoni would prefer less of them as well.
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3/16/2009  11:01 AM
Posted by LivingLegend:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

I watched last night's game streamed, and as a result I watched the Cavs' broadcast. Austin Carr is their play-by-play guy, and I'd sya he has a high reputation around the league for analysis.

Anyway, last night he said that the Knicks will absolutely build around Al Harrington, David Lee, Nate Robinson, and a fourth (can't remember if it was Chandler or Gallo, but I suppose it doesn't matter as if one is included, the other should be too). He also was complimentary about the team's future when mentioning those four.

I thought it was interesting, as we can't agree if Lee and Nate are keepers, yet a NCAA Hall of Famer whose jersey is retired by the Cavs firmly and matter-of-factly stated we have four keepers.

I guess the question is, do we have a core? Do we only need to add one piece? And if greats and other teams think we have keepers, do we keep them or trade them when their value is perceived to be high?


I watched the Cav's feed via direct tv as well -- I'm pretty sure Carr said Al was probably 1-4 guys (naming Lee, Nate and Chandler) and forgetting Gallo. That said - not sure Austin was taking contracts and cap into full consideration and he really didn't give guys like Duhon much thought.

I watch a # of games where the other teams announcers do the game and they are typically VERY complimentary towards our system and D'Antoni. They almost always point to the relentlessness at which we attack aggressively and quickly on the offensive end. I just wish we'd stop chucking so many 3s -- I'm sure D'Anotoni would prefer less of them as well.

All we are is Mike D system... This bunch with any other coach will suck badly.
I am not sure how it will work out with superstars in his system. It may not work out at all.
Mike needs players who will execute and sacrifice their game in the process.
The only supper on the market to do just this is Bron, and looks like he will stay put home.
If Mike can build championship team one day, this will be offensive version of Pistons, if this is at all possible...
Hopefully Stern and Co will make it possible...
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3/16/2009  11:29 AM

Its cool to talk up other teams. Makes the game more interesting to viewers, especially in the Cavs broadcast.

Bottom line is how much better Gallo and Chandler can get. Same for nate and Dlee.

Dlee with a shooting eurocenter can clean up on the offense boards and continue to start breaks on the defensive end.

I Like Nate off the bench. Gallo is way discounted around here. This guy can be better than Obi Won Ginobli!
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3/16/2009  11:45 AM
Austin is entitled to his opinion, but how many knick games does he watch?

And if that is our core, then we have a lock on a franchise set to win 30ish games every year until we manage to break up that core.

What we have is a bunch of really nice role players.

When someone talks about core, those are guys you should keep to build with.

KG, Pierce, Allen are the core of the celts. All the other guys they have are nice role players. You could debate putting Rondo in their 'core', but I am sure they would trade him if the right deal came along.
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3/16/2009  12:12 PM
i would love al off the bench. you bring al, nate and a mobile big off the bench (and exactly wtf is going on with chris wilcox right now) and you get a major energy boost, change of pace, tons of points, work the crowd up, etc. like when spree, camby and who else, childs?
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3/16/2009  1:12 PM
Posted by Marv:

i would love al off the bench. you bring al, nate and a mobile big off the bench (and exactly wtf is going on with chris wilcox right now) and you get a major energy boost, change of pace, tons of points, work the crowd up, etc. like when spree, camby and who else, childs?

Thanks for asking the question. Is Wilcox injured? Haven't seen him log any minutes in the last three games.

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3/16/2009  1:14 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
I guess the question is, do we have a core? Do we only need to add one piece? And if greats and other teams think we have keepers, do we keep them or trade them when their value is perceived to be high?

we have a core to build around if ur ultimate goal is to build a .500 type team that has a chance to make the playoffs every year... if ur goal is to build a championship calibre team then u need a couple superstar players, which we don't have & will never have if we decide to build around our current core.
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3/16/2009  1:35 PM
I could see Harrington as an instant offense option coming off the bench, who gets pulled quickly if he is not on his game. I would not want him being the go to guy with 10 seconds left in the game, but if his salary demands are acceptable, I don't see why he could not find a place on the team.

Good teams have always been able to finds uses for scorers like Harrington. They make use of the talents they have an make sure that they are not put into positions where they can really hurt the team.

By the way, I also think that what you say about Harrington can also be said about Nate, to some extent..
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3/16/2009  1:37 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
I guess the question is, do we have a core? Do we only need to add one piece? And if greats and other teams think we have keepers, do we keep them or trade them when their value is perceived to be high?

we have a core to build around if ur ultimate goal is to build a .500 type team that has a chance to make the playoffs every year... if ur goal is to build a championship calibre team then u need a couple superstar players, which we don't have & will never have if we decide to build around our current core.

not necessarily. you sign the guys who have been playing well for you, then you have options going forward for keeping them or trading up for them. look who boston got for jefferson, gomes, green and a draft pick.
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3/16/2009  1:39 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by NYKBocker:

Our team currently needs 2 pieces, a shotblocking C and a playmaking PG. This is something that has been stated in UK for a long time. A Nash, CP3, Deron Williams type would really do wonders for this team. Duhon has been great at the beginning and Nate is Nate but we need someone in the upper echelon of PGs to really make D'Antoni's system work.

I fall in the group that thinks if this team could get a solid defensive center and an upgrade at pg, we can win 47-50 games with this team as is with another year of development. Hughes has been a pleasant surprise and looks like a legitimate starting SG. Nate is probably the best 6th man in the league right now. Lee is a double-double and should improve on his defense once he gets his new contract. Harrington and Chandler bring solid offense and decent defense. All we need is an anchor on defense, like a young Camby, and an upgrade over Duhon and this team will challenge for a 4 or 5 seed. We probably will need another star to push us over the top but I think you have to walk before you can run.

There's really two camps on this issue right now, and gray inbetween. One group does believe that the team really only needs two pieces. The other group acknowledges the team needs these pieces, but the players Carr says are keepers the second group believes will hamstring the Knicks financially and won't be able to acquire that true star that nets the Knicks a championship banner. Most fall in that gray area where they want the team to keep as many of these guys as possible, but not at the expense of losing 2010 financial flexibility

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