Briggs and I had a discussion on one of his BJ Mullens threads about Evan Turner, who (if we keep our pick) I like a lot as a good piece. I think he's another Josh Howard in the NBA and a guy you can ask to do a lot of things. He defends and rebounds extremely well from the 2/3 or whever you want to put him. He's got a quick release off screens and has a very good handle as well. He's a taller longer Larry Hughes without the bad shot selection.

Evens 22/10 with 2 assists and 3 steals. OS lost. Mullens didnt really play. Too many smaller quicker guys, OS went small.

Posted by fishmike:

Briggs and I had a discussion on one of his BJ Mullens threads about Evan Turner, who (if we keep our pick) I like a lot as a good piece. I think he's another Josh Howard in the NBA and a guy you can ask to do a lot of things. He defends and rebounds extremely well from the 2/3 or whever you want to put him. He's got a quick release off screens and has a very good handle as well. He's a taller longer Larry Hughes without the bad shot selection.

There are too many ballhogs on that team.

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Posted by 30andOverClub:

Posted by fishmike:

Evens 22/10 with 2 assists and 3 steals. OS lost. Mullens didnt really play. Too many smaller quicker guys, OS went small.

Watched the game. He looks pretty smooth, and I love his assist numbers on the season as well as his defensive attitude. The only issue is he doesn't shoot threes which is imperative in our system. If they project him as a good enough shooter to develop a good 3 quickly, he'd be another guy I'd be happy with.

This is a stupid concept. This is why we have Gallinari instead of Randolph. I understand you need guys who can shoot three's but that's like saying Im going to bypass Derozen for Budinger.

if you think the Knicks took Gallo because he can shoot threes you are mistaken.

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Posted by martin:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by 30andOverClub:

Posted by fishmike:

Evens 22/10 with 2 assists and 3 steals. OS lost. Mullens didnt really play. Too many smaller quicker guys, OS went small.

Watched the game. He looks pretty smooth, and I love his assist numbers on the season as well as his defensive attitude. The only issue is he doesn't shoot threes which is imperative in our system. If they project him as a good enough shooter to develop a good 3 quickly, he'd be another guy I'd be happy with.

This is a stupid concept. This is why we have Gallinari instead of Randolph. I understand you need guys who can shoot three's but that's like saying Im going to bypass Derozen for Budinger.

if you think the Knicks took Gallo because he can shoot threes you are mistaken.

I dont care why we took him--we took an inferior player. That can be judged with time. My problem is there are a lot of great basketball players who dont shoot threes who help balance the team. Lopez and Randolph are not three point shooters but they would make this a better team. If we drafted an athlete who became a scorer--not necessarily a great three point shooter--who cares? You cant have a prerequisite 3 point shooting. You take the best long term player available. If 3 point shooting is in the package great if not OK. We have a lot of them already.

You're right that it's probably silly of me to say that 3 point shooting is a prerequisite. But it's very important to the system we're running. It shouldn't be a deal breaker, but it could certainly lean me one way or the other.

I just have no confidence in any 3 point shot put up by anybody on our team, other than when Gallo is feeling it, and that's not often since he gets very little time.

Mullens isnt that good

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by VDesai:

Mullens isnt that good

He looks like he has some potential but he REALLY needs to stay in school, not for just one year but I think 2.

At least. He's not even on the Patrick O'Bryant level right now.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by VDesai:

Mullens isnt that good

He looks like he has some potential but he REALLY needs to stay in school, not for just one year but I think 2.

Most of these kids need to stay in school for 3 years. That way you can build up strength maturity and your skill package. That being said this player in due time IF he stays in school[and hopefully they will convince him to do so] is going to be a top 3 or 1 pick when he gets stronger. I don't see him as a great defensive player but at his size he should be able to be a good defensive player with effort. Where this kid will be good is when he puts on 20-25 pounds of muscle gets his foot work down and he will just power over players consistently for 20-25 points a night. If I was him i would stay if I could get a PROMISE from the coach that I was going to be a focus next year as long as I put the work in. Again this is a player who was Big ten 6th man of the year and led the league in FG% as a freshmen. He was the number 1 pick in Rivals 100 last years and he is just development time away from being a player. When he gets stronger and is able to get deep strong post position--he is going to make the 6-8 C's in the league look powerless. Now this is if he puts in the work and that is a key component--if you want to be a great player you have to be a hard worker off the court. Now if the kid comes out? A team has to weight the pros and cons--you are getting a unique physical specimen at a legit 7-1. Are you willing to wait on him--that's the key. If you cant wait on the player he's not for you.

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Its not a matter of being willing to wait on him. If a guy won't ever be productive on his rookie contract, how can you justify giving him an extension. This is what happened with O'Bryant and a few others.

Again I didnt see Patrick Obryant lead the big Ten in FG% and he wasnt very highly recruited coming out. You're the same guy who thinks Jerome Jordan is going to be a good player. All big men are not created equal. This kid is a physical specimen. He's got springs in his legs at 7-1 270. He has agility that few guys his size have. He's got to work but the physical part is already there. Again there are a lot of 7 footers in CBB--none of them led the Big Ten in FG% except this player. Every big school wanted him and for good reason. If he worked hard with a trainer and a pro skill coach in the offseason he could play off an NBA bench next year. The kid needs work but but he will be a very fine player in the NBA.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 03-16-2009 12:49 AM]

Also I'm not sure how impressive leading the Big 10 in FG% is when you only take 6 shots per game. He wouldn't even qualify on the national scale.

Kurt Thomas led the nation in scoring and rebounding!!

(best line ever from Larry Johnson: yea? What nation was that?)