Since Jan 1st these following players have scored 20 points against us:
Perimeter Players
1. Danny Granger 22
2. Jarrett Jack 29
3. Paul Pierce 31
4. Kevin Durant 27
5. Jeff Green 27
6. Russell Westbrook 22
7. Chris Paul 23
8. Caron Butler 25
9. Mike James 20
10. Nick Young 33
11 Mike James 20 not a typo
12. Andre Iguodola 28
13. Andre Miller 27
14. Luol Deng 20
15. Derrick Rose 20
16. Jason Richardson 27
17 Rudy Gay 20
18. Andre Iguadola 24
19. Andre Miller
20. Tracy McGrady 20
21. MArvin Williams 28
22. TJ Ford 36
23. Kobe Bryant 61
24 Lebron James 52
25. Paul Pierce 26
26 Ray Allen 22
27 Travis Outlaw
28. Jamal Crawford 21
29. Kelenna Azubuike 22
30. Steven Jackson 35
31. Eric Gorden 30
32. Roger Mason 20
33 Tony Parker 24
34. Marquis Daniels 28
35. Jarrett Jack 33
36. Hedo Turkoglu 33
37. Andre Miller 25
38. Dwyane Wade 46
39. Gerald Wallace 23
40. Devin Harris 35
41. Vince Carter 25.
Twice our perimter has let 3 teams get 20 points from three perimeter guys.
We have given up 30 points nine times to the like of Nick Young Stepehn Jackson, TJ Ford, Jarrett Jack, and Eric Gordon.

Post players with over 20 points
1. David West 25
2. Antawn Jamison 28
3. Shaq Oneal 21
4. Amare Stoudamire 20
5. JOsh Smith 26
6. Pau Gasol 31
7. Al thornton 20
8. Zach Randolph 22
9. Andrea Bargnani 28
10. Dwight Howard 24
11. Thaddeus Young 23
12. AL Horford 20
13. Boris Diaw 22
14. Tim Duncan 26
Gave Up 20 points to two players in one game one time. Had 30 scored on them one time. Say what you want about the interior defense if the guards would try and guard then you wouldnt have perimeter players in the lane the whole game. Please explain to me why mason, parker, tj ford, jack, outlaw, nick Young, get whatever they want against out perimeter and you always blame it on the bigs? Lee isnt good defensively but if you think Chandler, Nate and duhon are then we are watching different games.

They are both pretty bad. I don't think I can safely say its one or the other but, bad perimter D just exposes bad interior d even more

Posted by King1:

Lee isnt a center and that is where he is playing. If he tried to block a shot every time a person was in the lane which is the whole game he would foul out in the first half and then you would have Wilcox and Harrington playing the whole game inside

If he's not a Center and he gets burned by opposing PF's then what position is he? Lee usually does worse against PFs then he does Centers.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 03-10-2009 5:47 PM]

I think he has done a good job guarding centers. Every guy that has scored 20 on him has been a all star. He is getting 18/13 since Jan and opposing teams are trying to stop him. WHy has only 14 bigs and 42 perimeter players scorched us and it is the interior defense fault?

DO you really think MDA stresses defense? Crawford, Azubuikea and 35 from JAckson all in one game. OKC has all three perimeter score 20 and Washington had 3 guys go over 20 with a bench player getting 33. Why dont we talk about Wilson and Nate guarding people. Every day we have threads on how bad Lee is when you look at the numbers and the perimeter is getting us killed. If Lee was so bad why doesnt centers or power forwards get 30 a night on us like they do the perimeter?

MDA isnt going to go out and get a big center to clog up the middle he needs someone active who can go out and do pick and rolls. This is the San Diego Chargers we are watching not the old school Pistons.

You cant trade Lee now without a sign and trade and then you have to take back a big contract

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by King1:

Lee isnt a center and that is where he is playing. If he tried to block a shot every time a person was in the lane which is the whole game he would foul out in the first half and then you would have Wilcox and Harrington playing the whole game inside

If he's not a Center and he gets burned by opposing PF's then what position is he? Lee usually does worse against PFs then he does Centers.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 03-10-2009 5:47 PM]

Ah, there's the key point. He's a small forward that really needs to have a shotblocker beast behind him so that he can cover threes or fours without worrying about it just like Orlando manages to do with Turkoglu.

Where is this beastly shotblocker to compliment Lee since we've had him for years now... Isiah: "I was just getting to that, I swear."

Expanding on the problem, we now run a spread offense, so if we got that shotblocker he'd have to be able to shoot from the outside.

Could have traded for Camby, but we whiffed on that one. Could have traded for Rad-man, but we whiffed on that one. Joe Smith... we're not a contender. 'Sheed? Nothing to give the Pistons.

Oh well... Looks like we'll have to send two players who laid it all on the floor through the worst years in Knicks history and watch them win elsewhere while we try to hit it big in the draft again.

the thing is a lot of these guards are getting their points in the paint

Posted by King1:

So if you want to put half of Lebrons point on Lee then what about when he hedges on defense a guy rolls to the basket and no one rotates. Bottom line the whole team sucks defensively and if you cant see that Nate is the worst defender on the team then we watch different things. Name one time he has went over a screen all year? What are Knicks fans going to do when Lee get 50 million this summer and your stuck watching him put up 15/10 and being on playoffs teams. He is your best player right now and will only get better. Does he have flaws absolutely but I have more of a problem with perimeter defense and people who cant shoot

You're crazy. Our best player? Without the pick and roll, he is nearly non-threat on offense. If his shot doesn't fall then he is a waste because big men don't rotate out to him, so they clog the middle. Lee is a rebounder whose offensive numbers improved with pick and rolls. He is not a threat or intimidator on defense while players continue to parade to the rim. Right now he is a better offensive player than Reggie Evans (although he can't defend like Evans) playing in a complimentary system with a lot of minutes.

btw, king, this is why I can't take you serious. How come you don't explain that the Knicks doubled on most of those post players. Because he doesn't help your argument? And when the Knicks didn't double, those post players ate Lee alive.