Lee is all about the stats. That's the bottom line. He doesn't try on defense at all so he can focus on grabbing a rebound and getting his double double. He provides 0 on defense.

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Lee is all about the stats. That's the bottom line. He doesn't try on defense at all so he can focus on grabbing a rebound and getting his double double. He provides 0 on defense.

Lee is by no means all about stats. The team defense is terrible when there's mismatches on the floor. Teams attack us by getting enough switches until they have a forward on Nate.

Lee gets beat because he's a rugged small forward, not really a power forward and especially not a center. He needs to be teamed with a player like Radmonovich that can fill the center role on defense and forward role on offense. We don't have that player.

The last thing on the dude's mind is padding his stats. I've never seen him take a shot out of the offense.

I don't know how you can pad your rebounding stats if that's what you're referring to. How does that work?

By not playing any defense. That's how you pad those rebounding stats. When you're more concerned at waiting for the rebound than going to put a hand in someone's face. David Lee is overrated by the entire fanbase just like others have been. I have gotten sick of discussing him and his faults. I'll do so another time when I'm more level-headed but the bottom line is he is not that good. Backup player. That's it. I've seen tons of PF's in the league. He isn't that different from the rest of the mediocre PF's in the NBA. Briant Grant once put up 14 and 12 or something like that. The difference is he played some D. Some damn good D too. I'd take young Brian Grant over young David Lee. I said it.

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Posted by knicks1248:

It's so hard to point the finger at one player on this knicks squad, i think MDA has lost a hand full of game's for us, I think walsh's timing on these trades have been horrible.

Chris duhon no longer has to look over his shoulder, with steph and the trading deadline in the past.

Lee is playing for a contract not to win games.

Nate is turning into allen iverson.

chandler is playing real well but makes costly mistakes in the clutch along with lee.

Q has been so inconsistant along with he's role and minutes

Jeffries role changes from game to game sometimes play to play.

Our scouting department sucks we never seem prepared in the final 5 minutes weather were leading by 2 or 15. But then that also says a lot about MDA.

If you look back at MDA when he had nash he almost always ask nash what you wanna run in the final 2 minutes. Can you picture him asking duhon that.
Our biggest headache's are no center, no play making point guard that can break down a defense ( duhon is good for that 2 out of every 10 possesions) and absolutely no leadership whatsoever.

Guy's turn over the ball in the clutch, and nobody say's anything Larry hugh's deserved an ear full after that TO last night, as well as duhon and lee. Everybody keeps their thoughts to themselves. There content with one saying "MY BAD"

MDA use of DG is down right ridiculous and his team mates are no help. no one's in his face telling him he's the best damn shooter on the team.

Gosh Leadership is priceless. If everyone was playing hard and fighting then larry runs down the Easy bucket and gives a hard foul, winnining and playing hard is contagous and Walt say's it all the time.

Just imagine your on you job busting your ass and your co workers take 2 hr lunches, always on the internet, or a PC (personal calls) for long stretch's, and actually wrks 2hrs out of a 8hr day with no one on there case. That pretty becomes you after awhile n soon your like fck it.

Hmmm...
Do you really expect this bunch to win more that 30-33 games?
How it is possible with no starters on the team?
This is transitional group and they showed some entertaining games also.
So why to be miserable? Enjoy the ride!!!
And bring you expectation down for another year - next season will not be much different.

New coach (58 win avg) New Gm (proven winner well respected) No IT (insight) 70% of a roster overhaul no steph or curry or crawford (career losers)

That alone is worth and 8th to 7th seed considering the weak east with only 3 power teams
Transitional from lottery to playoffs
We have been hearing wait til next season for the last 6 seasons by then it's wait til 2010.

The expectations aren't high what so ever, it's the losing mentality that has it's way of contaminating the fans. Thats the energy you get in the garden some nights.

Making the playoffs should be the sole purpose at this point, it's ridiculous to think else wise. Im not handing out any excuse cards for anyone from the coach to him picking a bad back rookie (he's winning me over though) To walsh and he's quick trigger trade 2 weeks out of training camp.

If the goal was to make the playoffs from jump, then why ditch it a month in and still preaching playoff (jim mora style)
This looking like Project pat.

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Posted by JohnWallace44:

Lee is all about the stats. That's the bottom line. He doesn't try on defense at all so he can focus on grabbing a rebound and getting his double double. He provides 0 on defense.

Lee is by no means all about stats. The team defense is terrible when there's mismatches on the floor. Teams attack us by getting enough switches until they have a forward on Nate.

Lee gets beat because he's a rugged small forward, not really a power forward and especially not a center. He needs to be teamed with a player like Radmonovich that can fill the center role on defense and forward role on offense. We don't have that player.

The last thing on the dude's mind is padding his stats. I've never seen him take a shot out of the offense.

I don't know how you can pad your rebounding stats if that's what you're referring to. How does that work?

By not playing any defense. That's how you pad those rebounding stats. When you're more concerned at waiting for the rebound than going to put a hand in someone's face. David Lee is overrated by the entire fanbase just like others have been. I have gotten sick of discussing him and his faults. I'll do so another time when I'm more level-headed but the bottom line is he is not that good. Backup player. That's it. I've seen tons of PF's in the league. He isn't that different from the rest of the mediocre PF's in the NBA. Briant Grant once put up 14 and 12 or something like that. The difference is he played some D. Some damn good D too. I'd take young Brian Grant over young David Lee. I said it.

I feel like Stephon Marbury here, but I have to ask...

How do you get a rebound...?

The offensive player has to miss his shot. Right?

Its not like you can just turn your back on a dude and hope he misses. You're either going to get called for a foul or dude is going to make the shot.

Nobody is overrating the guy. He's limited and playing out of position. Most of us understand this.
He is one of the best rebounders in the league though. He's had the best rebound rate for years. Is he just padding his stats this year, or has it been going on for his whole career?

[Edited by - johnwallace44 on 03-10-2009 10:42 AM]