OT---First awesome movie coming out in a long time
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
3/5/2009 10:53 AM
I saw the first one when I was a sophomore in HS 25 years ago--OK IM old but I've been waiting for this movie for 10 years.
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810025211/trailer#12282404 RIP Crushalot😞
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PresIke
Posts: 27671 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/26/2001 Member: #33 USA |
3/5/2009 11:51 AM
at least you didn't say 'watchmen.'
i can't believe i even read that a sequel was being considered... what? the way the film is being marketed and apparently directed in highly glossy, "pseudo" dark tones, in my view, seems to disgrace the content of the novel. i'm sure i'll get lambasted for this comment, as i know some here are very hyped about it, but to me...i'm scared...very scared... snyder, the guy who directed '300,' is gonna take a profound story of post-modern ideas that shows the flaws of hero worship and make it into what it looks like which is a piece of action-hero, male-love porn? that's just dishonest to it's content. i genuinely hope i'm wrong, but what i have seen makes me very concerned. it's a very deep story being sold as "entertainment." does anyone else not see the conflict in this? it probably wants to be another 'dark knight' but somehow i just don't trust snyder to do this. 'the dark knight' never really felt like a comic film, it felt like an adult crime film, in the tradition of 'the french connection' and scorsese. i have never seen such directing ability from snyder. as for t4, i hope it's good, but i dunno...we'll have to see. [Edited by - PresIke on 03-05-2009 11:54 AM] [Edited by - PresIke on 03-05-2009 11:54 AM] Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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djsunyc
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3/5/2009 11:56 AM
Posted by PresIke: i'm hoping snyder didn't butcher it too badly. it wasn't meant to be a movie - more like a 12 hour hbo series. i think the commercials and teasers shown are to get fans to come watch it. some people that already saw it says it's true to the comic and he did a great job. i heard the ending is somewhat different. same premise but different execution. don't know what that means but i think (to keep it spoiler free): there is no giant o------ in the end but something else. |
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PresIke
Posts: 27671 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/26/2001 Member: #33 USA |
3/5/2009 12:01 PM
so, i just watched the t4 trailer...
is this just a tad bit of a plot hole being revealed... umm...can someone explain to me where in the previous films do the terminators not realize they are not human? i'm sure the argument will be that they created them afterward, but the next gen terminators were the t-1000 (t2), and whatever the girl was in t3. i guess Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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EnySpree
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3/5/2009 12:16 PM
Posted by PresIke: well this one is a prequel to the first one.....John Conner isn't even in charge yet. Nobody is going back in time yet either. That Marcus charecter seems interesting don't you think? I wanna see where they gonna go with that. Cuz I always wondered why the Terminators weren't more human like....the Terminators are all cold. This one actually thinks it's human!!! So maybe they will answer my questions... Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast
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PresIke
Posts: 27671 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/26/2001 Member: #33 USA |
3/5/2009 12:16 PM
Posted by djsunyc:Posted by PresIke: i hear you man. i think you're absolutely right that they are trying to "sell" the movie to a more mass audience via marketing tools and tricks. terry gilliam first wanted to make it into a film, and then thought it had to be made into at least a 5 hour mini-series, but could never get the project off the ground. how much better would it be if it were a mini-series? at least i wish darren aronofsky, or paul greengrass, both of whom were slated to direct. they would be a much better choices than snyder, who imho seems to be a hack at this point in his career, despite all the hoopla about the visuals of '300.' when i saw the trailer for one of my favorite films last year, 'vicky christina barcelona' i was very uninterested, because they sold it as a love triangle romantic comedy, but it never played out that way, and was far more interesting. i also heard about the ending change. i didn't yet know it wasn't the ----- you are referring to that changed. i thought i heard there was a more more dramatic ending change, but what do i know? all this said, i may end up seeing it if i hear good things about it from reviewers i trust. otherwise i will probably force myself to wait for it on dvd or other options. i just don't want to support a film because i think i "have" to see it and i feel it does not fairly represent the intent of a novel such as this. Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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PresIke
Posts: 27671 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/26/2001 Member: #33 USA |
3/5/2009 12:23 PM
Posted by EnySpree:Posted by PresIke: eny, bro, i think this then makes the plot hole even bigger. it would seem that it would take FAR more technological advances to imitate the human brain and behavior than to just take the tissue and put it on top of a cyborg. if arnie's terminators come later, then why does he have less developed intelligence? i guess we could rationalize it via a sort of 'i am legend' perspective, that the machines figured it was better to just develop killing technologies and have the terminators become just that, rather than develop their a.i. like humans because that might lead to emotions that would make them not want to kill, or think the machines were evil, or something like that, which happens to some humans, even those trained to "do harm" if they encounter some experiences that lead them to question it. however, then, we would probably have seen at least some terminators fighting for the humans too, if they realize the machines are baddies with their more developed intelligence, no? and in t2 they wouldn't have had to send back arnie's "old" terminator who was also just a killing machine, but programmed to protect john conner. they could have sent an older terminator that is smarter. although maybe the idea was that arnie was a better fighter. i'm speculating big time, obviously. [Edited by - PresIke on 03-05-2009 12:25 PM] [Edited by - PresIke on 03-05-2009 12:26 PM] Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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93BUICK
Posts: 22281 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 10/6/2006 Member: #1175 USA |
3/5/2009 12:26 PM
Did any of you guys see "The Visitor" ? Richard Jenkins got nominated for an Oscar (best actor) and I'm in a few scenes playing saxophone.
  If you are still following the team and reading sites like this, there is nothing, short of your own demise, that is going to throw you off this train.
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PresIke
Posts: 27671 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/26/2001 Member: #33 USA |
3/5/2009 12:28 PM
93Buick,
wow, cool! good film, btw. loved the afro-beat music in it. shoot...where were you doing that? was one the washington sq park scene? Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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EnySpree
Posts: 44919 Alba Posts: 138 Joined: 4/18/2003 Member: #397 |
3/5/2009 12:37 PM
presike....you check the sarsh connors cronicles? They have hinted on the robots being a little more "advanced" than others but I guess they are waiting for the movie to drop to full expand on it.
you can't be pissed though kid....it should be a very interesting movie like they all are. the people behind the movies are now more concerned with the fans and keeping the continuity...it's gonna be epic dude...its planned to be a trilogy if the movies do well in the box office. Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast
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Paladin55
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3/5/2009 1:21 PM
So I take it that nobody is waiting with anticipation for The Reader to come out on DVD?
No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities- C.N. Bovee
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djsunyc
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3/5/2009 1:32 PM
Posted by EnySpree: advanced robots? y'all need to watch battlestar galactica... |
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PresIke
Posts: 27671 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/26/2001 Member: #33 USA |
3/5/2009 2:27 PM
Posted by Paladin55: actually, i'd like to see it. however, it's funny that kate winslet was in an 'extras' epsiode where she played a nun, and one big point was making fun of actors using jewish holocaust/nazi films to win academy awards. Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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PresIke
Posts: 27671 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/26/2001 Member: #33 USA |
3/5/2009 2:28 PM
Posted by EnySpree: actually, i haven't watched that, nor any "drama" or non-news related program on television other than some on hbo and a few showtime shows. but i hope t4 is good. Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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OT---First awesome movie coming out in a long time