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BRIGGS
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2/28/2009  10:35 AM
The guy has been great. Where would this team be without Al? 21.5 points nearly 7 rebounds shooting over 50% efg. I wonder why so many people would be against giving him an extension. It would be difficult to replace his contributions. We need to enhance rather than subtract. Are they really going to let Nate Harrington and Lee walk? Then might as well trade them for picks.
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2/28/2009  10:37 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

The guy has been great. Where would this team be without Al? 21.5 points nearly 7 rebounds shooting over 50% efg. I wonder why so many people would be against giving him an extension. It would be difficult to replace his contributions. We need to enhance rather than subtract. Are they really going to let Nate Harrington and Lee walk? Then might as well trade them for picks.

I bet Harrington gets traded for rebuilding assets before he's allowed to walk. No way we retain him he will want 10M+ a year. While he can be good he also stagnates the offense too much. If we're going to build a winner using Mike's system then Harrington doesn't really fit.

As to Lee and Nate I still say one of those guys get traded. Maybe to move Curry. We'll see about that soon enough.
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2/28/2009  10:54 AM
He takes 18 shots a game and only gets 1 assist a game. Shoots 7 threes a game at a 36% clip. He cost us the Clippers game by getting a ridiculously stupid technical with 20 seconds left to play. Even IF we lost Nate and Lee for nothing, I still wouldn't keep Harrington for the long term.
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2/28/2009  10:55 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by BRIGGS:

The guy has been great. Where would this team be without Al? 21.5 points nearly 7 rebounds shooting over 50% efg. I wonder why so many people would be against giving him an extension. It would be difficult to replace his contributions. We need to enhance rather than subtract. Are they really going to let Nate Harrington and Lee walk? Then might as well trade them for picks.

I bet Harrington gets traded for rebuilding assets before he's allowed to walk. No way we retain him he will want 10M+ a year. While he can be good he also stagnates the offense too much. If we're going to build a winner using Mike's system then Harrington doesn't really fit.

As to Lee and Nate I still say one of those guys get traded. Maybe to move Curry. We'll see about that soon enough.


yea, I have a knickname for Al, I call him "Free Candy" In dantoni's offense, you can get any shot you want, so no need to take bad shots... And al takes a lot of bad shots, so in a way, he is stealing candy he can get for free.. or as I call it... "free candy".

He doesn't fit in this offense, or is not a perfect. When Al is hot, he never uses that to open up the floor and get teamates involved.. when Al gets hot, it is for Al to keep shooting more... good guy, good player, just now what I am looking for..
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2/28/2009  10:55 AM
the new financials of the NBA are going to make things really interesting. season ticket sales for next season are going to be brutal - tickets weren't affected as much this year because money was due for season tickets before the september/october crash. not so next season. teams are not going to be going out giving guys like al harrington $10M anymore.

he's been okay, but he's really just a volume shooter who has shot well. he's made some horrible mistakes at the end of games - the clippers game comes to mind.
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2/28/2009  10:56 AM
i honestly think a lot of guys oculd put up the exact same #'s in this offense. no way i want him sticking around.
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2/28/2009  11:03 AM
No way I want Al around after his contract ends.
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2/28/2009  11:04 AM
Posted by BigSm00th:

i honestly think a lot of guys oculd put up the exact same #'s in this offense. no way i want him sticking around.

Totally agree.
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2/28/2009  11:12 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by BRIGGS:

The guy has been great. Where would this team be without Al? 21.5 points nearly 7 rebounds shooting over 50% efg. I wonder why so many people would be against giving him an extension. It would be difficult to replace his contributions. We need to enhance rather than subtract. Are they really going to let Nate Harrington and Lee walk? Then might as well trade them for picks.

I bet Harrington gets traded for rebuilding assets before he's allowed to walk. No way we retain him he will want 10M+ a year. While he can be good he also stagnates the offense too much. If we're going to build a winner using Mike's system then Harrington doesn't really fit.

As to Lee and Nate I still say one of those guys get traded. Maybe to move Curry. We'll see about that soon enough.

I think that he's been very good. I don't know the Knicks plan. Are they looking to strip the club down to it's underwear and start over? If we took Al out of the line up tonight--where would you find his 21 +7 from? Gallinari? He might have some flaws but he has been the best 3 we have had on this team in a long long time. I was never a fan of Al's--I always said he was drastically over rated but he has impressed me with his play here. He's explosive and his play has seemed to get better and better--more efficient. I don't see his market at 10mm$--I see his market at 7-8 mm over 3 or 4 years. It's going to take that long for Gallinari to develop anyway:)
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2/28/2009  11:40 AM
Trade him next year for the expiring contract of a vastly inferior player plus draft picks(s) or young talent. The other team gets the better player; we get players with young potential who are on rookie contracts.
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2/28/2009  12:54 PM
He has hot streaks and he has cold streaks. One constant is that he can't get his shot off in the final 2 minutes of a game and that's one reason why we continue to struggle to close out games. He can be upgraded. He wouldn't really be worth the contract to the Knicks in 2010. The fact that he is playing well bodes well for us. He can be a really big deadline piece next year, or he can lead us close enough to respectability to draw more players in.
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2/28/2009  1:12 PM
Posted by VDesai:

He has hot streaks and he has cold streaks. One constant is that he can't get his shot off in the final 2 minutes of a game and that's one reason why we continue to struggle to close out games. He can be upgraded. He wouldn't really be worth the contract to the Knicks in 2010. The fact that he is playing well bodes well for us. He can be a really big deadline piece next year, or he can lead us close enough to respectability to draw more players in.

Good post Des. Good to see some posters still have some sensibility.
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2/28/2009  1:20 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by VDesai:

He has hot streaks and he has cold streaks. One constant is that he can't get his shot off in the final 2 minutes of a game and that's one reason why we continue to struggle to close out games. He can be upgraded. He wouldn't really be worth the contract to the Knicks in 2010. The fact that he is playing well bodes well for us. He can be a really big deadline piece next year, or he can lead us close enough to respectability to draw more players in.

Good post Des. Good to see some posters still have some sensibility.

Agreed, at least he has the good sense of taking it inside when his shots arent' falling...but its his damn insistence on takiving over games and his out of control play that pisses me off
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2/28/2009  1:45 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

The guy has been great. Where would this team be without Al? 21.5 points nearly 7 rebounds shooting over 50% efg. I wonder why so many people would be against giving him an extension. It would be difficult to replace his contributions. We need to enhance rather than subtract. Are they really going to let Nate Harrington and Lee walk? Then might as well trade them for picks.

I don't believe they are looking to dump Lee & Nate. I think they are looking to resign them. They could have traded Nate in order to unload Jeffries which would have been huge for 2010 but decided to keep Nate. And they took Lee off the market.

With us unable to move Curry at this point it will be very very hard for us to be able to sign 2 max free agents in 2010. So instead of that we are probably looking to sell free agents that Lee, Nate, Chandler, Duhon & possibly Wilcox are a young up and coming core by making the playoffs. This will hopefully show free agents that we don't need to sign 2 max free agents in order to regain respectability and that they aren't going into a rebuilding situation. Or we can work out a S&T and offer a resigned Lee & Nate or Chandler to one free agent while signing the other through free agency.

If Eddie Curry is able to play next yr and MDA can get him to produce, he will only have 2 yrs left on his contract. Someone might bite.
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2/28/2009  1:55 PM
Posted by VDesai:

He has hot streaks and he has cold streaks. One constant is that he can't get his shot off in the final 2 minutes of a game and that's one reason why we continue to struggle to close out games. He can be upgraded. He wouldn't really be worth the contract to the Knicks in 2010. The fact that he is playing well bodes well for us. He can be a really big deadline piece next year, or he can lead us close enough to respectability to draw more players in.


I don't know about how Al shoots in the final 2 minutes--I do know that he has a better than 50% efg while scoring nearly 22 points and pulling down nearly 7 rebounds at 6-9 245. If anything this reflects our need for an interior player we can go to for a high% shot in certain circumstances. I would easily say our go to player is 5 7.5 and he's good but that's not where I want my to go as my first choice with the game on the line. We have a need for a 7 foot player who can play. Al has been very good by any standard since he joined the Knicks--easily the best SF we have had in 9 years. I don't know if I personally would dress down the team like they seem they want to do. I would nOT be in the camp of letting Al go--why do we want to get rid of good players unless we are getting really good players back? How can this team be in the business of letting good talent go for nothing? Do we want Jared Jefferies back at the 3 spot? Or maybe throw Gallinari to the Wolves? Oh yes we are getting Lebron James--I forgot
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2/28/2009  2:20 PM
The real question is how do Walsh and MDA see him fitting in. I'd like to see the facial expressions of MDA after every Harrington score, miss, or turnover. It would tell us a lot about whether he wants him for the future. The other variable is Walsh's feelings for Harrington, and whether they are in sync with MDA. Do they both feel the same about Harrington as a player?

I like some of the things Harrington can do offensively, but for a guy who has been playing as long as he has, he does makes some strange decisions at times. He can score from the outside, although he is streaky, but the thing that has surprised me is his ability to use either hand off his drives. I could see him as a guy coming off the bench whose job is to provide some instant offense, but if he is not shooting well on a particular night, he is a major liability, and you have to cut his time drastically during that particular game.

If he is willing to accept less money to play with us I would have no problem with him being on the team. He's a local boy, and he and Walsh have a history, so he might want to stay with the Knicks even if it means less $$. In terms of his inconsistency, you just make sure that you don't give him the minutes if it seems he is headed toward a 7/18 shooting game.
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2/28/2009  2:26 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by VDesai:

He has hot streaks and he has cold streaks. One constant is that he can't get his shot off in the final 2 minutes of a game and that's one reason why we continue to struggle to close out games. He can be upgraded. He wouldn't really be worth the contract to the Knicks in 2010. The fact that he is playing well bodes well for us. He can be a really big deadline piece next year, or he can lead us close enough to respectability to draw more players in.


I don't know about how Al shoots in the final 2 minutes--I do know that he has a better than 50% efg while scoring nearly 22 points and pulling down nearly 7 rebounds at 6-9 245. If anything this reflects our need for an interior player we can go to for a high% shot in certain circumstances. I would easily say our go to player is 5 7.5 and he's good but that's not where I want my to go as my first choice with the game on the line. We have a need for a 7 foot player who can play. Al has been very good by any standard since he joined the Knicks--easily the best SF we have had in 9 years. I don't know if I personally would dress down the team like they seem they want to do. I would nOT be in the camp of letting Al go--why do we want to get rid of good players unless we are getting really good players back? How can this team be in the business of letting good talent go for nothing? Do we want Jared Jefferies back at the 3 spot? Or maybe throw Gallinari to the Wolves? Oh yes we are getting Lebron James--I forgot

Briggs you continually disregard the plan that Walsh is doing. Whether you like it or not, THAT IS THE PLAN, so creating threads about keeping guys and signing guys who don't fit the plan is just pointless. Give it up.
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2/28/2009  4:07 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

The guy has been great. Where would this team be without Al? 21.5 points nearly 7 rebounds shooting over 50% efg. I wonder why so many people would be against giving him an extension. It would be difficult to replace his contributions. We need to enhance rather than subtract. Are they really going to let Nate Harrington and Lee walk? Then might as well trade them for picks.

& just think, this time last year u were calling the guy garbage.
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2/28/2009  4:43 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BRIGGS:

The guy has been great. Where would this team be without Al? 21.5 points nearly 7 rebounds shooting over 50% efg. I wonder why so many people would be against giving him an extension. It would be difficult to replace his contributions. We need to enhance rather than subtract. Are they really going to let Nate Harrington and Lee walk? Then might as well trade them for picks.

& just think, this time last year u were calling the guy garbage.
Seriously, about 3 weeks ago BRIGGS was saying Tim Thomas and Al Harrington were comparable.
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2/28/2009  10:27 PM
Take the last game and this game and this is what you have in Al Harrington. Sometimes he's on and he's awesome, other times he's way off and a liability out there. And no matter which game it is he doesn't really thrive down the stretch. He's an alright player, but the main thing he brings to the game is scoring but there's a wild variability in how he does it because of his shot selection and reliance on the 3. You can do ok with this guy, but you can also upgrade him and he doesn't warrant a long term deal at signficant dollars.
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