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ActionJackson
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2/25/2009  11:53 AM
So our current golden boy David "I'll bang it on you w/either hand" Lee had this to say to an ESPN reporter

So I'm starting to believe more and more that I can be one of the best power forwards-slash-centers in the league. And I think the numbers reflect that . .

This sounds alot like Brother Marbury's declaration that he felt he was the best Point Guard in the the league but I wonder how it will be played out in the local (& national) media. now I know they're just words & it really is about actions on the B-Ball court but you cant help feeling like some players are castigated for their words while others are given a pass or benefit of doubt.

Interested in my UK brethrens opinions...
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2/25/2009  11:58 AM
At least he said "I CAN be one of the best" instead of "I AM the best". Big difference.

I like the confidence.
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2/25/2009  12:11 PM
why shouldnt he feel that way? He plays good ball everynight. 3rd year in the league he's averaging 17/12 and 55%

He's had some very big games against players regarded as vastly superior
Wins this year:
13/12/3 steals against Spurs
25/16 against Suns
24/9 vs Hornets
14/14/3 blocks vs Boston
12/19 vs Det

I have no problem with what he says. He plays hard and is a team guy.
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2/25/2009  12:15 PM
Any NBA player CAN be "one of the best..." whatever.
But not everybody leave to expectations and self-expectations.
So far Lee exceeded expectations and looks like he is confident in himself.
We’ll see if he can make another step forward to be recognized by the league.
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2/25/2009  12:16 PM
Marbury called himself THE BEST. Lee said ONE OF THE BEST. Huge difference. Marbury proceeded to insult every player and even a lot of hall of famers, and himself too, by calling all them losers for not winning an NBA championship.

The two personalities don't compare.
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2/25/2009  12:17 PM
i have no problem w/ D. Lee saying that either, matter of fact i want all my players feeling like they're the best on the floor every time they step on it but even though Marbs numbers statistically make him one of the best he was perceived in a totally different manner. also, I'll have to look up the original quote but I think he said some thing like "I dont fear anybody else cause I need to feel like I'm the best PG in the league when i'm out there doing my thing" which is a little bit different from the way it's been portrayed by many beat writers.
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2/25/2009  12:23 PM
here's Marb's original quote

I think I'm the best point guard in the NBA. I need to in order to succeed. These guys are too good to approach it any other way.


Seems very comparable to D. Lee's quote. imagine if Marbury had said something about his "numbers reflecting it"...
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2/25/2009  12:29 PM
Who cares. It's just talk.

The problem with Marbs, was not so much about what he said, it was the combination of what he said, and what he had done to all his past teams. Action there is a legitimate reason why marbs would be treated differently in this scenario.
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2/25/2009  12:35 PM
Bip must be a pain to be a newbie!! Not a bad perception for a newbie!!
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2/25/2009  12:38 PM
Posted by ActionJackson:

here's Marb's original quote

I think I'm the best point guard in the NBA. I need to in order to succeed. These guys are too good to approach it any other way.


Seems very comparable to D. Lee's quote. imagine if Marbury had said something about his "numbers reflecting it"...

Got a link? That is not a direct quote, at least not from the two days he originally spoke about it.
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2/25/2009  12:44 PM
This one's for you, Blue.

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Jason Kidd has taken two Nets teams to the NBA Finals. Stephon Marbury hasn't taken anyone anywhere. But asked yesterday to compare himself to the Nets' point guard, Marbury took on the entire league.

"I know I'm the best point guard in the NBA," said Marbury, whose Knicks play the Nets at the Garden tonight. "I don't need nobody else to tell me that."

Marbury's claim came in response to questions about Kidd, to whom Marbury has been constantly compared since the Nets and Suns swapped the pair in July of 2001.

"The way he sees basketball and the way I see it, they're not the same things, so you can't compare us," Marbury said yesterday. "Don't get me wrong: I love Jason Kidd. Jason Kidd is a great point guard."

But when it comes to who's better, Marbury's mind is made up.

"How am I going to compare myself to him?" Marbury said. "How am I going to compare myself to him and not think I'm the best point guard to play basketball? That doesn't make any sense. How can I stand here and compare myself to somebody else if I already think I'm the best?"

As far as this season, Marbury may be right. He is averaging 20.2 points and 8.6 assists for the Atlantic-leading Knicks (16-13).
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2/25/2009  12:46 PM
As far as this season, Marbury may be right. He is averaging 20.2 points and 8.6 assists for the Atlantic-leading Knicks (16-13).
Did we win a game after that?
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2/25/2009  12:53 PM
Until he develops his offense to the point where he can be a viable option at the end of games and commits to playing better defense, he's not going to be viewed as one of the best PF/C's in the league.

Right now he's a pretty good rebounder and adept at getting easy baskets around the rim, whose numbers are inflated due to the system that he's in.

On a side note, I was going crazy listening to Brandon Tierney last night as he was using numbers to suggest that Lee is a much better rebounder than Oakley ever was. He was listing some of Lee's rebounding totals and saying that Oakley never did that. I'm going to assume that that's false since Oak averaged as many rebounds as Lee is, 5 times in his career. And of course Oakley's teams probably averaged half the possessions that this Knicks teams do, which drastically decreases the opportunities for rebounds. In this system, I have no doubt that Oakley could average 20 rebs a game.

Once again Brandon Tierney proves that he's an idiot and a shill for the current Knicks.
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2/25/2009  12:55 PM
Posted by ActionJackson:

So our current golden boy David "I'll bang it on you w/either hand" Lee had this to say to an ESPN reporter

So I'm starting to believe more and more that I can be one of the best power forwards-slash-centers in the league. And I think the numbers reflect that . .

This sounds alot like Brother Marbury's declaration that he felt he was the best Point Guard in the the league but I wonder how it will be played out in the local (& national) media. now I know they're just words & it really is about actions on the B-Ball court but you cant help feeling like some players are castigated for their words while others are given a pass or benefit of doubt.

Interested in my UK brethrens opinions...

You forgot to finish the quote:

"To be honest with you, I'm starting to. The coaches always give me trouble that I'm holding myself back, that the sky would be the limit if I would continue to have that confidence in myself. I'm starting to get it this year because I'm finally am given the freedom to be aggressive offensively. And there's an adjustment process in that . . . So I'm starting to believe more and more that I can be one of the best power forwards-slash-centers in the league. And I think the numbers reflect that . . . [But] I'm a big believer that the second you starting thinking that way, that things go downhill. I still know I can get a lot better."

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2/25/2009  1:13 PM
Posted by fishmike:
As far as this season, Marbury may be right. He is averaging 20.2 points and 8.6 assists for the Atlantic-leading Knicks (16-13).
Did we win a game after that?

We won a grand total of 17 of the last 53 games that season.
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2/25/2009  1:14 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Until he develops his offense to the point where he can be a viable option at the end of games and commits to playing better defense, he's not going to be viewed as one of the best PF/C's in the league.

Right now he's a pretty good rebounder and adept at getting easy baskets around the rim, whose numbers are inflated due to the system that he's in.

On a side note, I was going crazy listening to Brandon Tierney last night as he was using numbers to suggest that Lee is a much better rebounder than Oakley ever was. He was listing some of Lee's rebounding totals and saying that Oakley never did that. I'm going to assume that that's false since Oak averaged as many rebounds as Lee is, 5 times in his career. And of course Oakley's teams probably averaged half the possessions that this Knicks teams do, which drastically decreases the opportunities for rebounds. In this system, I have no doubt that Oakley could average 20 rebs a game.

Once again Brandon Tierney proves that he's an idiot and a shill for the current Knicks.
Lee is the 2nd leading rebounder in the NBA. Best you can say is pretty good? So I guess that makes Dwight Howard who is #1 a 'good' rebounder?

Other notable #2 guys who are pretty good:
Lebron James: pretty good scorer
Deron Williams: pretty good assist guy
Marcus Camby: pretty good shot blocker
Jason Kidd: pretty good at getting steals
Kevin Martin: pretty good at getting the FT line
David Lee: pretty good rebounder

I like Lee's company!

Oakley and Lee are totally differnt players. Lee is much quicker and athletic, and probably has 3 times the verticle that Oakley had. Oak was easily one of the strongest players in the NBA and Lee obviously is not.

As for who is a better rebounder? Both are great, but very different players in very different eras

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2/25/2009  1:25 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Oak was easily one of the strongest and craziest players in the NBA and Lee obviously is not.


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2/25/2009  1:25 PM
And his offense IS improving. It's not just hustle plays around the rim. He's posting up more and driving and gets at least 2 jump shots every game. He's becoming a very good all around player. Not just a garbage man, which is already a good thing to be.
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2/25/2009  1:29 PM
And for the record, if Lee was left to take a jump shot with 1 minute at the end of the game, I would not mind at all him taking it. I am, at this point, comfortable with him taking shots and if he needs to make a move, I am comfortable with him doing that too. I do see him as a viable option. Not a go to guy, or even a number 2 guy, but still a good option.

I trust Lee taking an open 15 footer just as much as I trust Duhon taking an open 3 pointer.
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2/25/2009  1:29 PM
David Lee isn't even better than Troy Murphy. Block a ****in shot before you start calling yourself an elite PF.
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