if they keep going liek this. Money well spent IMHO.

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Posted by Marv:

Posted by TheGame:

If Walsh was really smart he would have signed Lee to a 5 yr/$38 million contract and gave Lee a two-year player option that would allow him to get out of the deal if he outperformed it. I think Lee would have taken it because that represented a 300% increase in his salary and he still could make more if he contnued to improve.

I agree with Walsh's decision not to resign Nate last summer because we just did not know what we had. Obviously now, we are going to have to pay Nate at least $6 mill a year to keep him.

While Lee has more value, I think Nate is actually more important to the team. Wilcox and DG can probably replace alot of what Lee does. We have no one to replace Nate.

My prediction: Walsh resigns Nate for just above full MLE (about $6.5 million per year) and does a sign and trade with Lee to a team like the Thunder or the Grizzles for an expiring contract, a young prospect, and a 1st round pick. He will then resign Wilcox for $3-$4 million per season.

i'm not feelin' ya on lee and wilcox. if wilcox could replicate what lee is doing, he would have done it by now in his career and wouldn't have been 86'd by oklahoma f'g city, of all teams. plus we have no idea what gallo might give us.

I am not saying Wilcox is as good as Lee. What I am saying is that Knicks have to make a decision and the dropoff between what Wilcox can bring (and I think he is going to do well in MDA's offense) and Lee is not as big as the difference between Nate and who ever Walsh might find to replace him because we don't even have another backup PG on the team, let alone one that can drop 25 pts on any given night. Thus, if I am Walsh, I am looking to resign Nate as cheap as possible and trade Lee for some serious assets. If I can resign Wilcox for under $5 million, then the team as a whole will be in a good position to sign Lebron in 2010 and still have solid talent.

THe only other option would be to cut Curry now and try and get a deep discount. We will owe him like $21 million on the next two years. If we bought him out now for $15 million, we would save $3 million on the 2010 cap.


[Edited by - thegame on 24-02-2009 08:01]

Posted by fishmike:

Walsh's history is he awards his players that perform well with big contracts. The Davis boys, Croshere, Jalen Rose, Artest, Brad Miller, Jermaine Oneil, et al Walsh's history shows he pays his players and isnt cheap. It also shows he's perfectly willing to trade you to make the team better.

My gut feeling is Nate gets like 6 years $50mm (starting at $6.5mm) and Lee gets 6 years and $68mm (starting at $8.5). Something like that

And I agree.. its money well spent.

I cant fathom trading away either of these players. Also--IMO--we should see if we can sign AL to a 3 years 24mm$ extension. Yes he had a couple of snafus but overall the guy has been great--best ball of his career. A guy that I never liked. He is absolute money when he shoots from 14-16 feet. He rarely misses a mid range jumper.

i would love al and nate coming off the bench. instant offense and energy. those 2 could totally change the pace and flow of a game. if either is having a crazy chucking night you limit their minutes that night. and both would be good replacement starters for an injured starter.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by fishmike:

Walsh's history is he awards his players that perform well with big contracts. The Davis boys, Croshere, Jalen Rose, Artest, Brad Miller, Jermaine Oneil, et al Walsh's history shows he pays his players and isnt cheap. It also shows he's perfectly willing to trade you to make the team better.

My gut feeling is Nate gets like 6 years $50mm (starting at $6.5mm) and Lee gets 6 years and $68mm (starting at $8.5). Something like that

And I agree.. its money well spent.

I cant fathom trading away either of these players. Also--IMO--we should see if we can sign AL to a 3 years 24mm$ extension. Yes he had a couple of snafus but overall the guy has been great--best ball of his career. A guy that I never liked. He is absolute money when he shoots from 14-16 feet. He rarely misses a mid range jumper.

so go to war the next 3 years with the same cast while not signing anyone in 2010? should've just kept isiah...

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by fishmike:

Walsh's history is he awards his players that perform well with big contracts. The Davis boys, Croshere, Jalen Rose, Artest, Brad Miller, Jermaine Oneil, et al Walsh's history shows he pays his players and isnt cheap. It also shows he's perfectly willing to trade you to make the team better.

My gut feeling is Nate gets like 6 years $50mm (starting at $6.5mm) and Lee gets 6 years and $68mm (starting at $8.5). Something like that

And I agree.. its money well spent.

I cant fathom trading away either of these players. Also--IMO--we should see if we can sign AL to a 3 years 24mm$ extension. Yes he had a couple of snafus but overall the guy has been great--best ball of his career. A guy that I never liked. He is absolute money when he shoots from 14-16 feet. He rarely misses a mid range jumper.

so go to war the next 3 years with the same cast while not signing anyone in 2010? should've just kept isiah...

I'm not sure thats fair. Isiah's team was Marbury, Zach, Curry, Crawford and parts. He did a decent job drafting some guys but nobody would know how good Nate, Lee and Chandler if they were still on that team with no coaching and that disfunction. I think we are seeing that at 24/25/21 Nate/Lee/Chander are going to be good NBA players, possibly even borderline all stars. Now the Knicks need more than those guys, no doubt.

I think the evaluation of these guys continues, including those main 3. The roster is set for the year, and I think that will mean a lot to these guys. Lets see how they play. They have shown they can beat good teams and win games and they have shown they can lose them as well. time will tell.

I will say the 2010 isnt as amazing as people would think, if your considering letting Lee+Nate go just to sign guys. Wade has said NY isnt a consideration. That leaves Lebron. Bosh, Amare, Dirk, Nash, Joe Johnson... all great players. I think I would rather have Nate + Lee for $17mm than any *one* of those guys.

Lee is a lunch pale guy. Yes he's got holes. Yes he defense sucks. But his rebounding and garbage scoring cant be ignored and it keeps us in games. Plain and simple.

Nate might be on the verge of really breaking out. His ability to rebound and attack the basket with power separates him from other little guys in the NBA. He's in unguardable and took 19 FTs last night against Daniels and Jack who are good defenders.

Treating cap space and 2010 as a goal is fine, but if you lose Nate and Lee and dont sign Lebron or Wade your setting yourself back 5 years.

for the record, i think the knicks should resign both of them and utilize expirings this summer and try to make a huge deal to save some other team some $$$ and should buy a pick or two as well.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-24-2009 12:38 PM]

Posted by King1:

I think what your going to find is the Gallinari draft is going to haunt the Knicks for a long time. We could have had a piece for a team instead of a piece of %&$^. I think Lee will get resigned and Duhon and Wilson will be around. Everyone else will be history. Get a max guy in 2010 and one in 2011 and then you have a team.

the gallo pick took away some significant options for walsh...

Are we talking about Gallo or Slavko Vranes? Gotta give the kid a chance. No team drafts a 19 year old with a realistic expectation of an immediate impact. They gave the kid a few minutes so that he knows where his game has to be to compete in the NBA, now he has to put the time in to get there.