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Martice
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2/21/2009  7:59 AM
Last night I really watched Gallinari for a good bit. He made a couple of nice passes and a couple of nice 3's but his footwork needs a little more work. Like Coach D said "we will continue to develop" Gallinari and to me that is the best approach we can take at this time.

Also, I think he will get better with more playing time but with the new guys coming in, he may lose even more minutes.

Anyone have any thoughts?
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The other face among the Knicks' young core, rookie Danilo Gallinari, might not have the confidence of the coaching staff to play a major role in this playoff push. Gallinari played 23 minutes, mostly in garbage time, and had 10 points. Playing on Italian Heritage Night in a game that was broadcast live on Italian TV and against one of his countrymen, Raptors forward Andrea Bargnani (18 points), Gallinari shot just 3-for-10 from the floor.

From Newsday:
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-spknix216043886feb21,0,1516642.story?track=rss
After Thursday's trades for Chris Wilcox and Larry Hughes, D'Antoni said Gallinari's role likely will diminish.

"I think our focus now is to finish the year as well as we can and get as many wins as we can," D'Antoni said. "If Gallo's part of that, that's great. I hope he is. But we're going to play the best rotation, best players, and go from there. That's what summer league and preseason and everything else is for, developing people. Right now, we're trying to win games."

My thoughts are WTF!

I know he's young, but he's going to be 21 this year.

There is the issue with the back, but my god, he must be over it.

Increasingly, its looking like Walsh & Co (Isiah's last act of sabotage) screwed up this pick.
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2/21/2009  8:37 AM
You don't develop with playing time. You develop with hard work. Chandler made a huge leap from rookie to 2nd year. That work was done in the summer.

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2/21/2009  8:49 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

You don't develop with playing time. You develop with hard work. Chandler made a huge leap from rookie to 2nd year. That work was done in the summer.

Hi Bippity. At this point you want to give the kid as much exposure as you can. As far as hard work goes, are you assuming that the kid doesn't work hard? This summer will be his first off season AFTER playing NBA basketball first hand. This off season, he will have a lot to work on and I don't necessarily feel that if we want to make a push that we should sacrifice the team to develop him during the season. However, if he can contribute to the overall effort of the team, than any real game experience he can get will only help him reach the level that we hope he can reach.

Am I off base with my thinking?
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2/21/2009  10:32 AM
Posted by Martice:
Posted by Bippity10:

You don't develop with playing time. You develop with hard work. Chandler made a huge leap from rookie to 2nd year. That work was done in the summer.

Hi Bippity. At this point you want to give the kid as much exposure as you can. As far as hard work goes, are you assuming that the kid doesn't work hard? This summer will be his first off season AFTER playing NBA basketball first hand. This off season, he will have a lot to work on and I don't necessarily feel that if we want to make a push that we should sacrifice the team to develop him during the season. However, if he can contribute to the overall effort of the team, than any real game experience he can get will only help him reach the level that we hope he can reach.

Am I off base with my thinking?

A fair point, but Gallinari will not put on the muscle he needs to compete in this league during the regular season, and if the team is making a playoff run, you are not going to give Gallinari enough chances to learn/grow through his mistakes if you have guys who can do more to contribute at this time in the season. If the Knicks were a 15 win team at this point, with NO chance at the playoffs, I would say that Gallinari, back permitting, should be guaranteed 20-25 MPG at this point in the season, and be getting 25-30MPG by the end of the year.

The fact that the Knicks think they can reach the playoffs, and have veterans who can play in the same positions Gallinari might play, means that his development is going to be put on the back burner while they make a playoff run.

He will get time based on how he is playing and who the Knicks are playing against, but I don't think his minutes are going to be guaranteed at this point.

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2/21/2009  10:35 AM
He needs to work on the bad back and the stiff legs.
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2/21/2009  10:58 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

You don't develop with playing time. You develop with hard work. Chandler made a huge leap from rookie to 2nd year. That work was done in the summer.

That's the best post you've made in a long time.
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2/21/2009  12:12 PM
Posted by Martice:
Posted by Bippity10:

You don't develop with playing time. You develop with hard work. Chandler made a huge leap from rookie to 2nd year. That work was done in the summer.

Hi Bippity. At this point you want to give the kid as much exposure as you can. As far as hard work goes, are you assuming that the kid doesn't work hard? This summer will be his first off season AFTER playing NBA basketball first hand. This off season, he will have a lot to work on and I don't necessarily feel that if we want to make a push that we should sacrifice the team to develop him during the season. However, if he can contribute to the overall effort of the team, than any real game experience he can get will only help him reach the level that we hope he can reach.

Am I off base with my thinking?

Bip wasn't critiquing his work habits, just pointing out when players best improve.

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2/21/2009  12:52 PM
He's has a LONG LONG way to go--he wouldve best been served by playing in the D league.
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2/21/2009  12:58 PM
Gallo's got some issues that aren't going to go away with a Summer. It makes mo more angry that we drafted him every time I see him play. Not so much because he's bad. I think he can be a decent player in the league. It's that he has no business in MikeD's offense. What were they thinking?

The guy is so slow getting back that it creates serious problems with the up and down game. He can't rebound as well as Nate, Duhon, or Chandler. That's not good.

He'll develop his shot even more, and get some post moves. What does that get us. He needs to be coming off the bench for a team like Houston or San Antonio, teams that walk the ball up and have a nasty center.

In that kind of offense he would be great to have.

On our team, I don't know what he can work on to make himself fit.
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2/21/2009  1:12 PM
Posted by Martice:

Last night I really watched Gallinari for a good bit. He made a couple of nice passes and a couple of nice 3's but his footwork needs a little more work. Like Coach D said "we will continue to develop" Gallinari and to me that is the best approach we can take at this time.

Also, I think he will get better with more playing time but with the new guys coming in, he may lose even more minutes.

Anyone have any thoughts?

I think he has to really work on his post up moves and his handle. That dribble move he did on Tractor in the summer is not going to work on small forwards in the NBA. I also do not like the fact that he stays in one spot. He has to keep on moving to get the ball. Many times it looks like he is confused with the plays.

With the Knicks pushing for the playoffs I think operation Danilo is going to be shut down along with Jeffries starting.

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2/21/2009  1:32 PM
i think Gallo has shown signs that he can be a very good with hard work & some better conditioning... i think he's got the drive to be a better player, but i've said that before about other players like Balkman only to be disappointed so i'll hold my judgement on this kid til he shows me something... kid is a better on ball defender than i thought but smaller G's obviously have no problem getting past him... i wanna see him work on his moving off screens to get open for looks & hopefully he'll start demanding the ball more instead of deferring to his teammates so much.
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2/21/2009  1:54 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

You don't develop with playing time. You develop with hard work. Chandler made a huge leap from rookie to 2nd year. That work was done in the summer.

Yea, someone should tell Eric Gordon and his 15 PPG, DJ Augustin's 12.5 PPG, and Brook Lopez and his 12.6 PPG and 8.1 RPG.

Clearly, playing time isn't helping them!
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2/21/2009  1:56 PM
Is the reason he's not playing well due to the fact that he is physically or mentally immature, or is he just not talented enough?

With Chandler, we saw he could play at this level pretty much the moment he hit the floor and started seeing significant minutes. When we were officially eliminated from the playoffs and he was put in the rotation didnt he average like 12pts a game off jump?
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2/21/2009  1:56 PM
Gallo dismissed any concerns about losing minutes or finding himself out of the rotation down the stretch.

"I'm not really thinking about myself," he said. "I'm not really thinking about my stats or my minutes. I'm thinking about this team and we're playing real good together. We hope to make the playoffs. I'm just thinking about that . . . Our goal is the playoffs. Any way we take to go there we will go, if I play less or more, I don't care about that."
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2/21/2009  2:04 PM
He just needs to get stronger.
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2/21/2009  2:26 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by Bippity10:

You don't develop with playing time. You develop with hard work. Chandler made a huge leap from rookie to 2nd year. That work was done in the summer.

Yea, someone should tell Eric Gordon and his 15 PPG, DJ Augustin's 12.5 PPG, and Brook Lopez and his 12.6 PPG and 8.1 RPG.
Clearly, playing time isn't helping them!

The right way to go about it is to make Gallo earn his minutes.....he's got to beat out Q, Wilson, and Al to get on the court. Right now the guy can hit outside shots. He's lost still....he has the skills but he is not as polished as the player you mentioned...

Bottom line you don't give the guy 35 mins for no reason like that bum Yi until you deserve it....he has a lot to prove.
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Posted by PhilinLA:

He just needs to get stronger.

strength is a big issue with him, he will be fine... he has skills, can shoot, dribble, he is the least of my worries at this point..
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2/21/2009  2:38 PM
GEEZ! The kid started the year with us just turning 20!!!! He has the bad back thing and obviously with that no real strength training and not much real game action early in the year. I think it's clear he's a guy that has skills, but the NBA is the absolute highest level and he's got to have time to develop.

It's easier for some guys to get it going than others at this level, but that doesn't mean that their top end will necessarily be higher than a guy that takes a bit longer to get there. Once again we can look at Dirk as an example. Not everyone looks great in their first year in the states as opposed to Europe or any other league. Once Gallo realizes that guys can't stop him he'll be much more successful, just like Chandler had to learn that he's the only real thing holding him back. It's mostly in the mind.
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2/21/2009  2:43 PM
I wish the kid would realize that when he puts the ball on the floor, he draws fouls.
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