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VDesai
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2/20/2009  12:15 PM
Tim Thomas was hitting better than 42% and was taking 3-4 per game- so that will make a difference. Hughes is hitting 39% on 3's this this year, but historically he's been very bad...low 30's 3 pt shooter who takes a lot of them. This might be an area we get hurt since we are so dependent upon the 3. The wild card here is if Gallinari gets Thomas' minutes as he can certainly stroke the 3 at a similar clip.
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2/20/2009  12:18 PM
Tim Thomas shot those three's outside of the context and rhythm of the game.

Tim Thomas did not go to the rack any where NEAR as fiercely as Nate.

Tim Thomas was 6'10 and played like 5'11

Three point shooting is overrated.

Tim Thomas is gone.
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2/20/2009  12:19 PM
What you forgot to take into account is Q Rich. Hes currently shooting about 12% from the 3 pt range. Now Hughes, a 40% shooter, will be taking these shots. So While we lose Timmys three point shooting we also lose QRich's ability to simultaneously gain weight and brick wide open three pointers.
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2/20/2009  12:19 PM
Maybe Gallo gets more minutes too with TT gone. That will help.
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2/20/2009  12:21 PM
he's a better passer and can break down guys on the dribble. He's better in transition and a good defender. He also gets a ton of steals and that will help.

Its a fair point as the Knicks take a few 3 points. Time will tell
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2/20/2009  12:29 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Tim Thomas was hitting better than 42% and was taking 3-4 per game- so that will make a difference. Hughes is hitting 39% on 3's this this year, but historically he's been very bad...low 30's 3 pt shooter who takes a lot of them. This might be an area we get hurt since we are so dependent upon the 3. The wild card here is if Gallinari gets Thomas' minutes as he can certainly stroke the 3 at a similar clip.

if Gallo is taking those attempts now that Fugazy's gone the 3 pt shooting could very well go up.
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2/20/2009  12:30 PM
I didnt realize that Nate was shooting a horrific 31% from 3...that's going to have to improve.

Al shoots well, 43% from 3...but he needs to take them within the context of the offense.

Danilo shoots 45% from 3...he needs to get into a position to take MORE THREES PLEASE.

Duhon shoots a respectable 39%, and Larry's 39% is also respectable.
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2/20/2009  12:57 PM
The Knicks are fine with the 3 pters....the Knicks needed more skill at the 2 guard. Larry Hughes is a open court player. Crawford without the world class handle. Dude plays D too....

Yeah but Timmy did bring leadership and toughness at times. He played good post defense and directed traffic well on defense. That's where I'm concerned. Gallo can take his threes but he can't bring that toughness and leadership yet.

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Posted by EnySpree:

The Knicks are fine with the 3 pters....the Knicks needed more skill at the 2 guard. Larry Hughes is a open court player. Crawford without the world class handle. Dude plays D too....

Yeah but Timmy did bring leadership and toughness at times. He played good post defense and directed traffic well on defense. That's where I'm concerned. Gallo can take his threes but he can't bring that toughness and leadership yet.
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2/20/2009  1:21 PM
I don't agree that Tim was taking 3 pointers out of the flow of the offense. Timmy almost exclusively took open 3's and hit them at a very nice clip. He was a big boost off the bench on a lot of nights. I think Hughes can bring some interesting skills to the table, but I do think we'll hurt a bit on our jumpshooting and this is a jumpshooting team primarily right now.

Gallo would make up the difference if he takes Tim's role, but honestly this could just mean more of QRich at the 3 and more inefficient shooting. And I don't think Hughes holds onto this 39% 3 pt shooting- he's really a 33-35% guy.
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2/20/2009  1:37 PM
the one thing that Timmy was, was a good shooter. I think I personally underrated that aspect of his game because I hated his laziness so much. That being said he's replaceable and I'm not worried about him.
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2/20/2009  1:38 PM
As long as it's being pointed out that Hughe's 3 point shots haven't been as high as they are this season, we should also mention that the same is true of TT. While he was 42% with the Knicks, he was shooting 30% this season (and last) with the Clips.
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2/20/2009  1:49 PM
My hope for Hughes is that he can exploit the wide open floor spacing, drive the lane and help close the foul shooting gap that we always have. That would lead to more wins right there.
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2/20/2009  1:55 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by EnySpree:

The Knicks are fine with the 3 pters....the Knicks needed more skill at the 2 guard. Larry Hughes is a open court player. Crawford without the world class handle. Dude plays D too....

Yeah but Timmy did bring leadership and toughness at times. He played good post defense and directed traffic well on defense. That's where I'm concerned. Gallo can take his threes but he can't bring that toughness and leadership yet.
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Its easy to make jokes especially when you are going by what has traditionally been said about Timmy.

Truth is he actually did play good post defense for the Knicks. He also was very vocal out there and directing traffic. Knicks needs more guys like that.

No way am I saying Timmy was dominating anything. I'm stating facts. He's a lazy bastard but he knows how to play. I'm glad he was around to get in Gallo and Wilsons ear about the little things I described.
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2/20/2009  1:58 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by EnySpree:

The Knicks are fine with the 3 pters....the Knicks needed more skill at the 2 guard. Larry Hughes is a open court player. Crawford without the world class handle. Dude plays D too....

Yeah but Timmy did bring leadership and toughness at times. He played good post defense and directed traffic well on defense. That's where I'm concerned. Gallo can take his threes but he can't bring that toughness and leadership yet.
Fuga-leader... Yep he is. Big heart... bigger that average chicken has.

Its easy to make jokes especially when you are going by what has traditionally been said about Timmy.

Truth is he actually did play good post defense for the Knicks. He also was very vocal out there and directing traffic. Knicks needs more guys like that.

No way am I saying Timmy was dominating anything. I'm stating facts. He's a lazy bastard but he knows how to play. I'm glad he was around to get in Gallo and Wilsons ear about the little things I described.

i agree w/u about the lazy bastard part... i haven't seen a player coasting on the floor, jogging up court on fastbreaks & joking around w/players on the other teams during the flow of the game more than i've seen Fugazy do on a regular basis.
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2/20/2009  2:01 PM
I'm going to miss Tim, and some people that throw hate his way remind me of how Kurt Thomas was treated when he was here. Everyone said addition by subtraction.

All that, but we're a pretty lame team, so missing Thomas isn't going to impact us that much.

Hopefully, the upside is in additional roster spots (welcome Patrick Ewing Jr!) and then Hughes should be able to produce more efficient points in transition, cutting and help on the defensive end.

Any lost D from TT in the post should be taken on by Wilcox, and that should be improved when going against the likes of Tim Duncan- where it was stupid to have to defense using Tim in the first place.
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2/20/2009  2:02 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by EnySpree:

The Knicks are fine with the 3 pters....the Knicks needed more skill at the 2 guard. Larry Hughes is a open court player. Crawford without the world class handle. Dude plays D too....

Yeah but Timmy did bring leadership and toughness at times. He played good post defense and directed traffic well on defense. That's where I'm concerned. Gallo can take his threes but he can't bring that toughness and leadership yet.
Fuga-leader... Yep he is. Big heart... bigger that average chicken has.

Its easy to make jokes especially when you are going by what has traditionally been said about Timmy.

Truth is he actually did play good post defense for the Knicks. He also was very vocal out there and directing traffic. Knicks needs more guys like that.

No way am I saying Timmy was dominating anything. I'm stating facts. He's a lazy bastard but he knows how to play. I'm glad he was around to get in Gallo and Wilsons ear about the little things I described.

i agree w/u about the lazy bastard part... i haven't seen a player coasting on the floor, jogging up court on fastbreaks & joking around w/players on the other teams during the flow of the game more than i've seen Fugazy do on a regular basis.

Unfortunately that effort rubs off on the young guys too.
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2/20/2009  2:06 PM
Posted by franco12:

I'm going to miss Tim, and some people that throw hate his way remind me of how Kurt Thomas was treated when he was here. Everyone said addition by subtraction.

they did? i don't remember it going down like that... when KT got traded for Q Rich & the Suns' 1st round pick it was an awesome deal for the Knicks, especially when u consider we got Nate in the bargain... at the time Q was a productive player for the Suns & we needed more perimeter scoring help... yeah his contract was bad but there was no talk about getting under the cap at the time when Isiah was making deals & Dolan was spending Cablevision cash like it was going outta style.
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2/20/2009  2:07 PM
Tiny Tim played well in his 2nd go around in Gotham. His open 3 was money but I think what we will miss from him is his post defense like what has already been stated above. His post play against Shaq and Duncan were more than acceptable.
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2/20/2009  2:10 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by franco12:

I'm going to miss Tim, and some people that throw hate his way remind me of how Kurt Thomas was treated when he was here. Everyone said addition by subtraction.

they did? i don't remember it going down like that... when KT got traded for Q Rich & the Suns' 1st round pick it was an awesome deal for the Knicks, especially when u consider we got Nate in the bargain... at the time Q was a productive player for the Suns & we needed more perimeter scoring help... yeah his contract was bad but there was no talk about getting under the cap at the time when Isiah was making deals & Dolan was spending Cablevision cash like it was going outta style.

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