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Nate or Lee- if you can only pick one to keep
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KnicksSince88
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2/19/2009  9:58 PM
Lets say Lee gets an offer in the range of 9 million per

Lets say Nate gets an offer in the range of 6-7 per

Which one would you choose to keep if we only keep one
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2/19/2009  10:04 PM
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2/19/2009  10:05 PM
Nate Robinson isn't worth 6-7 mill per. I'd keep Lee and trade Nate with Jeffries if that was the case.
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2/19/2009  10:10 PM
Nate may not be worth 6-7 but i think that value is closer to his actual worth than Lee getting 9-10 would be. I know im in the minority but id rather keep Nate if thats what their price tags would be. I think id rather keep Nate period. Im not high on the idea of 9-10 million to a guy who is going to play 35 minutes in our frontcourt and play less than zero defense, be invisible as a shotblocker, and if we ever improved the frontcourt around him with a legit defensive presence at Center it would possibly eat into his rebounding totals exposing him as a good rebounder who pads his stats somewhat on a team with no rebounding
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2/19/2009  10:19 PM
09/10 - 7
10/11 - 7.75
11/12 - 8.55
12/13 - 9.45
13/14 - 10.4
14/15 - 11.5

starts at 7 mil with 10.5% raises every year...

5 year deal starting at 7 mil = $43.5 mil
6 year deal starting at 7 mil = 55

lee is going to get 5 years $50 mil minimum...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-19-2009 10:19 PM]
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2/19/2009  10:24 PM
Nate.
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2/19/2009  10:29 PM
Nate.
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2/19/2009  10:37 PM
The way I see it is like this. If we lost either one for like 10 games, who would we miss more?

Tough when you look at it like that huh?



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2/19/2009  11:08 PM
Posted by KnicksSince88:

Nate may not be worth 6-7 but i think that value is closer to his actual worth than Lee getting 9-10 would be. I know im in the minority but id rather keep Nate if thats what their price tags would be. I think id rather keep Nate period. Im not high on the idea of 9-10 million to a guy who is going to play 35 minutes in our frontcourt and play less than zero defense, be invisible as a shotblocker, and if we ever improved the frontcourt around him with a legit defensive presence at Center it would possibly eat into his rebounding totals exposing him as a good rebounder who pads his stats somewhat on a team with no rebounding

As much as I love Lee and really, really hope there's some way we can keep the guy so he can be part of a winning Knicks team, I can't help but agree with KnicksSince88.

Lee is a big guy who rebounds but does little else that you need a big guy to do, namely be an enforcer in the paint. So, even if we keep Lee, we clearly will need a "real" big guy at some point, and when we get that guy, where does that leave Lee? Would he be worth anything close to $10 million a year?

If you look at it objectively, you really can see that (assuming Walsh's master plan works) once we get a team with a legit superstar and a legit inside guy, Lee will not be nearly as valuable to us as he is now.
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2/19/2009  11:12 PM
On the other side of things, the way Lee has improved this year, I wouldn't be suprised if he came back next year more bulky and with a better shot. However, as it stands now, I agree that Ernie and Knicks on this one.

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2/19/2009  11:17 PM
A lot of this just depends on who we plan on targetting. I love both players.

But if we get a legit running center-- then that devalues Lee. We also have Chandler and Gallinari supposedly being groomed to play the 2 forward spots. So Chandler/Gallinari/Legit Center + PG / Max Contract SG (Wade/Joe Johnson) would make a lot more sense than dishing out a lot of money for an overrated Lee who can't really play Center and overlaps position wise with Wilson and Danilo.

Nate would also be cheaper. So, as much as I love Lee, I gotta go with Nate.

[Edited by - jamaicanjetfan on 02-19-2009 11:18 PM]
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2/19/2009  11:20 PM
I love both guys. I hope i don't sound like im trying to crap on Lee. Id just rather keep Nate. Ideally both these guys would be 2 years younger, expire in 2011, and then we wouldn't be worrying about this

[Edited by - knickssince88 on 02-19-2009 11:21 PM]
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2/19/2009  11:22 PM
That is very hard to choose. I will choose wisely.....and it is both of them.
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2/19/2009  11:46 PM
Posted by JamaicanJetFan:

A lot of this just depends on who we plan on targetting. I love both players.

But if we get a legit running center-- then that devalues Lee. We also have Chandler and Gallinari supposedly being groomed to play the 2 forward spots. So Chandler/Gallinari/Legit Center + PG / Max Contract SG (Wade/Joe Johnson) would make a lot more sense than dishing out a lot of money for an overrated Lee who can't really play Center and overlaps position wise with Wilson and Danilo.

Nate would also be cheaper. So, as much as I love Lee, I gotta go with Nate.

[Edited by - jamaicanjetfan on 02-19-2009 11:18 PM]


exactly. gallinari and chandler plus lee does not make a whole lot of sense when we are trying to save cap space.

i think the part of this that's nice is that us fans understand the reality of the salary cap -- and we finally have a GM who understands it as well. this isn't rocket science. you can only spend so much money, and we must get a franchise player to have any shot at a title. a franchise player will cost nearly a third of the cap. lee would cost a sixth of the cap. that's 2 players taking up around half the cap, one of whom may be expendable on a winning knicks team.

you do the math.
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2/19/2009  11:59 PM
I have strange doubts that Lee will get 10mil/year. Numberswise, sure, he sounds like a likely candidate. Heck, he's outperforming nearly the entire crop of true centers (Chandler/Dalembert/Curry/Nene) who recently all got roughly $10mil/year for multiple years.

However, they all have what Lee doesn't - true size. AND... of course, none of them played for D'Antoni (this is for y'all who believe D'Antoni pads all of his players' numbers). AND... none of them signed their contracts 1-year before a big free agent year.

What's David Lee worth? Well, he's a very talented player, but offensively he's really more along the lines of a guy who plays well within a system, but doesn't have true go-to move nor a go-to jumper. He's also not a rare 7' tall shot-blocking center.

In the end, I wonder if teams will see him as significantly more valuable than a player like Andersen Verajao, who also had trouble on the FA market.
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2/20/2009  12:24 AM
Posted by Martice:

The way I see it is like this. If we lost either one for like 10 games, who would we miss more?

Tough when you look at it like that huh?

Good point- a corollary question would be- Which player is easier to find a replacement for?
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2/20/2009  12:30 AM
Nate.
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2/20/2009  12:57 AM
You don't find a whole lot of players who are capable of putting up double-doubles on such a consistent basis. You also don't find a whole lot of 60% FG players in the league either.

You can find undersized SGs all over the place.

However... Both of these guys are marketer's dreams. Lee is a quality white player - and has a nice clean image. Former rookie/soph game MVP (but then again, who cares about the "Jr All-star Game"?).

Nate's got that "Little Engine that Could" thing about him. Very charismatic - you either love him or hate him, but he definitely draws a reaction. He's also a 2-time slam dunk champion, pulling off two of the most memorable dunks in NBA history - the leap over Spud Webb... then the leap over Dwight Howard (that's more than a 14" height difference!).

Both of them have 2 of the top-selling jerseys this year. Fans love 'em, they both earn the Knicks franchise quite a bundle of money. Whether they're part of the championship solution, that's another story...
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2/20/2009  1:35 AM
Is it me or are these guys both too good to say "which one should we keep". They were both drafted by the Knicks--have tremendous heart and game--why would I want to get rid of either of them unless I got an unusual talent package back? It's too bad we royally screwed up the draft because we could easily have another impact player on the team and this obsession that somehow we are going to land a player that is that much better than either of them is absurd. These guys are really really good players. Trade Jefferies[it can happen] and then offer Curry a buyout if he cant make good weight--that would add 9-10mm to the cap. Who can justify letting either of them up and walk with no compensation? I know there are haters on both--some idiots who call nate dumb and some who say Lee doesnt play D--+ both rationale's seem to have racial overtones--it's ridiculous. You have good players who we drafted--keep them. When has money mattered to any sport team in NY ever? We cant pay good players like these guys who want to be here? Then we'll give a 34 year old a 5 year max contract Let's see if the team improved over the next 5 and take it game by game. We cant afford to give away good players for nothing.
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2/20/2009  8:33 AM
Posted by GKFv2:

Nate Robinson isn't worth 6-7 mill per. I'd keep Lee and trade Nate with Jeffries if that was the case.
if he becomes a stable PG 6-7 mill per is steal. 16 points, 4 rebs and 4 assists and the guy destroys people off the dribble. Nate has the tools to be an elite PG in this league with his skills, and he's shown this year he can run the team and has produced some monster games there.

I would resign Nate at 6 years and 50mm (starting at 6,7,8,9,10,11) before giving Lee something that starts at $10mm. Although I would probably sign them both

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Nate or Lee- if you can only pick one to keep

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