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Martice
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2/18/2009  9:43 PM
Not sure if we have a list for everyone to see so I decided to post one:

stars whose contracts expire following the 2009-2010 season and will then become honest-to-goodness free agents:

Joe Johnson
Ray Allen
Manu Ginobili
Marcus Camby
Tracey McGrady
Shaquille O'Neal
Brad Miller
Stephen Jackson
Jermaine O'Neal
Mike Miller
Rip Hamilton

The next grouping is those players that are signed thru 2011, but can opt out in 2010 if they so choose:

Amare Stoudamire (owed 17.7 million in 10/11)
LeBron James (owed 17.2 million in 10/11)
Dwayne Wade (owed 17.0 million in 10/11)
Chris Bosh (owed 17.1 million in 10/11)
Dirk Nowitzki (owed $21.5 million in 10/11)
Josh Howard (owed $11.8 million in 10/11)
Mike Redd (owed $18.3 million in 10/11)
Tyson Chandler (owed $12.8 million in 10/11)

The next grouping is those players that are signed thru 2011, but can opt out in 2010 if they so choose:

Amare Stoudamire (owed 17.7 million in 10/11)
LeBron James (owed 17.2 million in 10/11)
Dwayne Wade (owed 17.0 million in 10/11)
Chris Bosh (owed 17.1 million in 10/11)
Dirk Nowitzki (owed $21.5 million in 10/11)
Josh Howard (owed $11.8 million in 10/11)
Mike Redd (owed $18.3 million in 10/11)
Tyson Chandler (owed $12.8 million in 10/11)

This next list consists of contracts that are set to expire in 2010, but the player may choose to opt-out following the 2008-2009 season:

Steve Nash (owed $13.1 million in 09-10)
Carlos Boozer (owed $12.7 million in 09-10)
Chris Paul (owed $6 million in 09-10 / almost certain to sign an extension before becoming unrestricted)
Memo Okur (owed $9.0 million in 09-10)
Hedo Turkoglu (owed $7.4 million in 09-10)

'second-tier' players are set to hit the open market as well:

Ben Wallace
Larry Hughes
Zydrunas Ilgauskas (option to opt-out after 09/10 season)
Anderson Varejao (option to opt-out after 09/10 season)
Al Harrington
Darko Milicic
Udonis Haslem
Jamal Crawford (option to opt-out after 09/10 season)
Eddy Curry (option to opt-out after 09/10 season)
Amir Johnson
Derek Fisher
Raja Bell
T.J. Ford (player option - owed $8.5 million in 10/11)
Travis Outlaw
Bruce Bowen
Earl Watson
Luke Ridnour
Matt Harpring
Quentin Richardson
Damien Wilkins

players that will actually eventually have value due solely to the fact their contracts come off the books in the summer of 2010:

Jerome James (proof that Isiah Thomas knew what he was doing all along!)
Cuttino Mobley
Brendan Haywood
Tim Thomas
Brian Cardinal
Antonio Davis
Mark Blount
Bobby Simmons
Troy Hudson
Darius Miles
Kenny Thomas
Shareef Abdul-Rahim
Matt Bonner
Etan Thomas

2006 Draft Class. These players will all be restricted free-agents in 2010, if they haven't already been inked to extensions:

Brandon Roy
Rudy Gay
LaMarcus Aldridge
Andrea Bargnani
Rajon Rondo
Tyrus Thomas
Kyle Lowry
Randy Foye
Marcus Williams
Josh Boone
Renaldo Balkman
Sergio Rodriguez
Ronnie Brewer

Enjoy all!!


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2/18/2009  10:10 PM
Posted by Martice:

Not sure if we have a list for everyone to see so I decided to post one:

stars whose contracts expire following the 2009-2010 season and will then become honest-to-goodness free agents:

Joe Johnson
Ray Allen--will be shot
Manu Ginobili --looks like he is going down hill with injuries
Marcus Camby--done
Tracey McGrady--done
Shaquille O'Neal --done by 2010
Brad Miller--done
Stephen Jackson--who cares
Jermaine O'Neal --done
Mike Miller----isnt changing anyones fortunes
Rip Hamilton---will be 33 in 2010

The next grouping is those players that are signed thru 2011, but can opt out in 2010 if they so choose:

Amare Stoudamire (owed 17.7 million in 10/11)unkown not as good as he once was. Has had microfracture surgery which would be a huge risk factor when investing 100mm$
LeBron James (owed 17.2 million in 10/11)not likely to go anywhere but if he does it will be Miami
Dwayne Wade (owed 17.0 million in 10/11)not going anywhere
Chris Bosh (owed 17.1 million in 10/11) 20% chance he leaves--not a big endorsement guy and Toronto can pay him the most by far. If he does leave I would say Dallas first choice
Dirk Nowitzki (owed $21.5 million in 10/11)not going anywhere
Josh Howard (owed $11.8 million in 10/11) not chaning anyones fotunes bad charscter
Mike Redd (owed $18.3 million in 10/11)done over rated
Tyson Chandler (owed $12.8 million in 10/11)stinks

The next grouping is those players that are signed thru 2011, but can opt out in 2010 if they so choose:



Steve Nash (owed $13.1 million in 09-10)done
Carlos Boozer (owed $12.7 million in 09-10)not worth the money injury prone waiting to happen
Chris Paul (owed $6 million in 09-10 / almost certain to sign an extension before becoming unrestricted) Already signed extension to 2012
Memo Okur (owed $9.0 million in 09-10)NO
Hedo Turkoglu (owed $7.4 million in 09-10) NO

'second-tier' players are set to hit the open market as well:

Ben Wallace --Ill just start here none of these players are max players and none of them can change a franchise no one is better than David Lee here
Larry Hughes
Zydrunas Ilgauskas (option to opt-out after 09/10 season)
Anderson Varejao (option to opt-out after 09/10 season)
Al Harrington
Darko Milicic
Udonis Haslem
Jamal Crawford (option to opt-out after 09/10 season)
Eddy Curry (option to opt-out after 09/10 season)
Amir Johnson
Derek Fisher
Raja Bell
T.J. Ford (player option - owed $8.5 million in 10/11)
Travis Outlaw
Bruce Bowen
Earl Watson
Luke Ridnour
Matt Harpring
Quentin Richardson
Damien Wilkins

players that will actually eventually have value due solely to the fact their contracts come off the books in the summer of 2010:

Jerome James (proof that Isiah Thomas knew what he was doing all along!)
Cuttino Mobley
Brendan Haywood
Tim Thomas
Brian Cardinal
Antonio Davis
Mark Blount
Bobby Simmons
Troy Hudson
Darius Miles
Kenny Thomas
Shareef Abdul-Rahim
Matt Bonner
Etan Thomas

2006 Draft Class. These players will all be restricted free-agents in 2010, if they haven't already been inked to extensions:

Brandon Roy --going no where
Rudy Gay going no where
LaMarcus Aldridge again
Andrea Bargnani again
Rajon Rondo again
Tyrus Thomas again
Kyle Lowry who cares
Randy Foye not bad player
Marcus Williams will he be in the nBA
Josh Boone good role player
Renaldo Balkman
Sergio Rodriguez
Ronnie Brewer good player

Enjoy all!!

So why do we want to trade David Lee? To have a crp shoot for who?

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2/18/2009  10:32 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

[quote]
Posted by Martice:

Not sure if we have a list for everyone to see so I decided to post one:

stars whose contracts expire following the 2009-2010 season and will then become honest-to-goodness free agents:

Joe Johnson
Ray Allen--will be shot
Manu Ginobili --looks like he is going down hill with injuries
Marcus Camby--done
Tracey McGrady--done
Shaquille O'Neal --done by 2010
Brad Miller--done
Stephen Jackson--who cares
Jermaine O'Neal --done
Mike Miller----isnt changing anyones fortunes
Rip Hamilton---will be 33 in 2010

The next grouping is those players that are signed thru 2011, but can opt out in 2010 if they so choose:

Amare Stoudamire (owed 17.7 million in 10/11)unkown not as good as he once was. Has had microfracture surgery which would be a huge risk factor when investing 100mm$
LeBron James (owed 17.2 million in 10/11)not likely to go anywhere but if he does it will be Miami
Dwayne Wade (owed 17.0 million in 10/11)not going anywhere
Chris Bosh (owed 17.1 million in 10/11) 20% chance he leaves--not a big endorsement guy and Toronto can pay him the most by far. If he does leave I would say Dallas first choice
Dirk Nowitzki (owed $21.5 million in 10/11)not going anywhere
Josh Howard (owed $11.8 million in 10/11) not chaning anyones fotunes bad charscter
Mike Redd (owed $18.3 million in 10/11)done over rated
Tyson Chandler (owed $12.8 million in 10/11)stinks

The next grouping is those players that are signed thru 2011, but can opt out in 2010 if they so choose:



Steve Nash (owed $13.1 million in 09-10)done
Carlos Boozer (owed $12.7 million in 09-10)not worth the money injury prone waiting to happen
Chris Paul (owed $6 million in 09-10 / almost certain to sign an extension before becoming unrestricted) Already signed extension to 2012
Memo Okur (owed $9.0 million in 09-10)NO
Hedo Turkoglu (owed $7.4 million in 09-10) NO

'second-tier' players are set to hit the open market as well:

Ben Wallace --Ill just start here none of these players are max players and none of them can change a franchise no one is better than David Lee here
Larry Hughes
Zydrunas Ilgauskas (option to opt-out after 09/10 season)
Anderson Varejao (option to opt-out after 09/10 season)
Al Harrington
Darko Milicic
Udonis Haslem
Jamal Crawford (option to opt-out after 09/10 season)
Eddy Curry (option to opt-out after 09/10 season)
Amir Johnson
Derek Fisher
Raja Bell
T.J. Ford (player option - owed $8.5 million in 10/11)
Travis Outlaw
Bruce Bowen
Earl Watson
Luke Ridnour
Matt Harpring
Quentin Richardson
Damien Wilkins

players that will actually eventually have value due solely to the fact their contracts come off the books in the summer of 2010:

Jerome James (proof that Isiah Thomas knew what he was doing all along!)
Cuttino Mobley
Brendan Haywood
Tim Thomas
Brian Cardinal
Antonio Davis
Mark Blount
Bobby Simmons
Troy Hudson
Darius Miles
Kenny Thomas
Shareef Abdul-Rahim
Matt Bonner
Etan Thomas

2006 Draft Class. These players will all be restricted free-agents in 2010, if they haven't already been inked to extensions:

Brandon Roy --going no where
Rudy Gay going no where
LaMarcus Aldridge again
Andrea Bargnani again
Rajon Rondo again
Tyrus Thomas again
Kyle Lowry who cares
Randy Foye not bad player
Marcus Williams will he be in the nBA
Josh Boone good role player
Renaldo Balkman
Sergio Rodriguez
Ronnie Brewer good player

Enjoy all!!



So why do we want to trade David Lee? To have a crp shoot for who?

For all this guys... We can have 2 teams - Knicks-1 and Knicks-2 to play on MSG-1 and MSG-2 every night.



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2/18/2009  11:03 PM
We've all looked at this list ten times before, but I'll bite...

It boils down to these players...

Joe Johnson
Lebron James
Chris Bosch
Rip Hamilton
Josh Howard
Raja Bell

...and there's a dozen teams trying to get their cap down to be able to sign these guys

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Amare Stoudamire (owed 17.7 million in 10/11)unkown not as good as he once was. Has had microfracture surgery which would be a huge risk factor when investing 100mm$
LeBron James (owed 17.2 million in 10/11)not likely to go anywhere but if he does it will be Miami
Dwayne Wade (owed 17.0 million in 10/11)not going anywhere
Chris Bosh (owed 17.1 million in 10/11) 20% chance he leaves--not a big endorsement guy and Toronto can pay him the most by far. If he does leave I would say Dallas first choice
Dirk Nowitzki (owed $21.5 million in 10/11)not going anywhere

BRIGGS, i'd like to know what you're basing all these assumptions on.

& btw, Amare just scored 29 pts. in 21 minutes played the other night & he's all of 26 years old... hardly a player i'd call that's on the downside of his career.
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2/19/2009  6:51 AM
Posted by TMS:
Amare Stoudamire (owed 17.7 million in 10/11)unkown not as good as he once was. Has had microfracture surgery which would be a huge risk factor when investing 100mm$
LeBron James (owed 17.2 million in 10/11)not likely to go anywhere but if he does it will be Miami
Dwayne Wade (owed 17.0 million in 10/11)not going anywhere
Chris Bosh (owed 17.1 million in 10/11) 20% chance he leaves--not a big endorsement guy and Toronto can pay him the most by far. If he does leave I would say Dallas first choice
Dirk Nowitzki (owed $21.5 million in 10/11)not going anywhere

BRIGGS, i'd like to know what you're basing all these assumptions on.

& btw, Amare just scored 29 pts. in 21 minutes played the other night & he's all of 26 years old... hardly a player i'd call that's on the downside of his career.

Even if Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and Isiah Thomas were all in their primes at the same time and becoming FAs, Briggs would say we're better off keeping Lee
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2/19/2009  8:01 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
Amare Stoudamire (owed 17.7 million in 10/11)unkown not as good as he once was. Has had microfracture surgery which would be a huge risk factor when investing 100mm$
LeBron James (owed 17.2 million in 10/11)not likely to go anywhere but if he does it will be Miami
Dwayne Wade (owed 17.0 million in 10/11)not going anywhere
Chris Bosh (owed 17.1 million in 10/11) 20% chance he leaves--not a big endorsement guy and Toronto can pay him the most by far. If he does leave I would say Dallas first choice
Dirk Nowitzki (owed $21.5 million in 10/11)not going anywhere

BRIGGS, i'd like to know what you're basing all these assumptions on.

& btw, Amare just scored 29 pts. in 21 minutes played the other night & he's all of 26 years old... hardly a player i'd call that's on the downside of his career.

Even if Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and Isiah Thomas were all in their primes at the same time and becoming FAs, Briggs would say we're better off keeping Lee

I'd take a long hard look as well, he did had his surgery and he's giving out marbury like vibes with his comments recently.....

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2/19/2009  9:56 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
Amare Stoudamire (owed 17.7 million in 10/11)unkown not as good as he once was. Has had microfracture surgery which would be a huge risk factor when investing 100mm$
LeBron James (owed 17.2 million in 10/11)not likely to go anywhere but if he does it will be Miami
Dwayne Wade (owed 17.0 million in 10/11)not going anywhere
Chris Bosh (owed 17.1 million in 10/11) 20% chance he leaves--not a big endorsement guy and Toronto can pay him the most by far. If he does leave I would say Dallas first choice
Dirk Nowitzki (owed $21.5 million in 10/11)not going anywhere

BRIGGS, i'd like to know what you're basing all these assumptions on.

& btw, Amare just scored 29 pts. in 21 minutes played the other night & he's all of 26 years old... hardly a player i'd call that's on the downside of his career.

Even if Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and Isiah Thomas were all in their primes at the same time and becoming FAs, Briggs would say we're better off keeping Lee

OK, let's say that it's 1990 and Michael, Larry, Magic, and Isiah are going to be free agents. You have to eliminate your whole roster to get one of them on the team. You don't have room to sign two of them. You might have room to sign Jordan and Sam Perkins. You have a choice of building around your young players or scrapping everything for just Jordan in a couple of years. He hasn't won a championship, hasn't developed an outside shot yet... oh and you're not sure that he'll sign with you, another team or reup with the Bulls.

What do you do?
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2/19/2009  9:57 AM
Oooh... Rip Hamilton! Where my "2004 Pistons" mantra intersects with the "2010" mantra. I'm a big fan of this guy... 6'7" lights-out veteran SG with a ring. But do the Knicks even have a shot at getting this guy out of Auburn Hills?
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2/19/2009  10:17 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
Amare Stoudamire (owed 17.7 million in 10/11)unkown not as good as he once was. Has had microfracture surgery which would be a huge risk factor when investing 100mm$
LeBron James (owed 17.2 million in 10/11)not likely to go anywhere but if he does it will be Miami
Dwayne Wade (owed 17.0 million in 10/11)not going anywhere
Chris Bosh (owed 17.1 million in 10/11) 20% chance he leaves--not a big endorsement guy and Toronto can pay him the most by far. If he does leave I would say Dallas first choice
Dirk Nowitzki (owed $21.5 million in 10/11)not going anywhere

BRIGGS, i'd like to know what you're basing all these assumptions on.

& btw, Amare just scored 29 pts. in 21 minutes played the other night & he's all of 26 years old... hardly a player i'd call that's on the downside of his career.

Even if Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and Isiah Thomas were all in their primes at the same time and becoming FAs, Briggs would say we're better off keeping Lee

OK, let's say that it's 1990 and Michael, Larry, Magic, and Isiah are going to be free agents. You have to eliminate your whole roster to get one of them on the team. You don't have room to sign two of them. You might have room to sign Jordan and Sam Perkins. You have a choice of building around your young players or scrapping everything for just Jordan in a couple of years. He hasn't won a championship, hasn't developed an outside shot yet... oh and you're not sure that he'll sign with you, another team or reup with the Bulls.

What do you do?

No room to sign two of them?
Eliminate your whole roster?
You're asking questions with no bearing on the current Knicks' team. Worst comes to worst and we get no free agents in 2010, we can always give Jamal and Zach max contracts in 2011 and be right back where we were anyway.
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2/19/2009  10:23 AM
Even if Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and Isiah Thomas were all in their primes at the same time and becoming FAs, Briggs would say we're better off keeping Lee

I agree David Lee is a very good player(Super-Sub) but very,very,very overrated on this board and by knick fans.
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2/19/2009  10:25 AM
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Even if Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and Isiah Thomas were all in their primes at the same time and becoming FAs, Briggs would say we're better off keeping Lee

I agree David Lee is a very good player(Super-Sub) but very,very,very overrated on this board and by knick fans.

What super sub gets you 18-12 every night? David Lee is a bonafide star and should be worth nothing less than star returns which makes it impossible top trade him and were probably better off.
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2/19/2009  10:34 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
Amare Stoudamire (owed 17.7 million in 10/11)unkown not as good as he once was. Has had microfracture surgery which would be a huge risk factor when investing 100mm$
LeBron James (owed 17.2 million in 10/11)not likely to go anywhere but if he does it will be Miami
Dwayne Wade (owed 17.0 million in 10/11)not going anywhere
Chris Bosh (owed 17.1 million in 10/11) 20% chance he leaves--not a big endorsement guy and Toronto can pay him the most by far. If he does leave I would say Dallas first choice
Dirk Nowitzki (owed $21.5 million in 10/11)not going anywhere

BRIGGS, i'd like to know what you're basing all these assumptions on.

& btw, Amare just scored 29 pts. in 21 minutes played the other night & he's all of 26 years old... hardly a player i'd call that's on the downside of his career.

Even if Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and Isiah Thomas were all in their primes at the same time and becoming FAs, Briggs would say we're better off keeping Lee

We are better off keeping Lee. I don't trust management. Look how they scred up the draft adn then tell me they are on the right path with this 2010 stuff. You wouldvbe had to be a scker to blow the last draft--guess what. So I guess Raja Bell is going to svae our team
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2/19/2009  10:36 AM
Bona fide Star are you kidding me? Put Tyrus Thomas, La Marcus Aldridge, Chris Kaman on a team with no rebounders and a fast pace style of play and what do you have?? the same numbers as Lee or better. Does what make them Stars???? Please stop.
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2/19/2009  10:37 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
Amare Stoudamire (owed 17.7 million in 10/11)unkown not as good as he once was. Has had microfracture surgery which would be a huge risk factor when investing 100mm$
LeBron James (owed 17.2 million in 10/11)not likely to go anywhere but if he does it will be Miami
Dwayne Wade (owed 17.0 million in 10/11)not going anywhere
Chris Bosh (owed 17.1 million in 10/11) 20% chance he leaves--not a big endorsement guy and Toronto can pay him the most by far. If he does leave I would say Dallas first choice
Dirk Nowitzki (owed $21.5 million in 10/11)not going anywhere

BRIGGS, i'd like to know what you're basing all these assumptions on.

& btw, Amare just scored 29 pts. in 21 minutes played the other night & he's all of 26 years old... hardly a player i'd call that's on the downside of his career.

Even if Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and Isiah Thomas were all in their primes at the same time and becoming FAs, Briggs would say we're better off keeping Lee

OK, let's say that it's 1990 and Michael, Larry, Magic, and Isiah are going to be free agents. You have to eliminate your whole roster to get one of them on the team. You don't have room to sign two of them. You might have room to sign Jordan and Sam Perkins. You have a choice of building around your young players or scrapping everything for just Jordan in a couple of years. He hasn't won a championship, hasn't developed an outside shot yet... oh and you're not sure that he'll sign with you, another team or reup with the Bulls.

What do you do?

No room to sign two of them?
Eliminate your whole roster?
You're asking questions with no bearing on the current Knicks' team. Worst comes to worst and we get no free agents in 2010, we can always give Jamal and Zach max contracts in 2011 and be right back where we were anyway.

Bonn, what do you mean by that? The idea that we'll have room to sign two players is a myth because the salary cap looks like it's going to go down instead of up at this point. And if we wanted to get even close to having that kind of room, we'd have to clear the whole roster and be left with these players;

Curry
Jeffries
Gallo
Chandler
2009 pick

We will not, I repeat, will not be able to resign anyone once we fill out the salary cap. We can only use the minimum player exceptions, which will allow us to sign the type of players that would otherwise be on the street.

Maybe we can sign Raja Bell and LeBron and make a run with the players above. Maybe we'll pull a crazy talent out of the draft.

I think we should use our financial leverage to get lottery picks and shoot for having a cap friendly roster in 2011 and go after Paul, but that's just me.
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2/19/2009  10:42 AM
2011 is the new 2010. I heart Chris Paul.
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2/19/2009  10:44 AM
Those guys listed under "2nd tier players" are more like role players.
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2/19/2009  10:59 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
Amare Stoudamire (owed 17.7 million in 10/11)unkown not as good as he once was. Has had microfracture surgery which would be a huge risk factor when investing 100mm$
LeBron James (owed 17.2 million in 10/11)not likely to go anywhere but if he does it will be Miami
Dwayne Wade (owed 17.0 million in 10/11)not going anywhere
Chris Bosh (owed 17.1 million in 10/11) 20% chance he leaves--not a big endorsement guy and Toronto can pay him the most by far. If he does leave I would say Dallas first choice
Dirk Nowitzki (owed $21.5 million in 10/11)not going anywhere

BRIGGS, i'd like to know what you're basing all these assumptions on.

& btw, Amare just scored 29 pts. in 21 minutes played the other night & he's all of 26 years old... hardly a player i'd call that's on the downside of his career.

Even if Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and Isiah Thomas were all in their primes at the same time and becoming FAs, Briggs would say we're better off keeping Lee

We are better off keeping Lee. I don't trust management. Look how they scred up the draft adn then tell me they are on the right path with this 2010 stuff. You wouldvbe had to be a scker to blow the last draft--guess what. So I guess Raja Bell is going to svae our team
Better off keeping Lee? I agree but we can do both. Fish has gone over this a million times and if the cap is a couple mil below expected and Lee's salary is a little lower (both because of the economy) it's a wash. It's also VERY easy to get rid of salary if you're willing to throw in a sweetener.

They *probably* screwed up the draft. That has NOTHING to do with whether the 2010 plan is a smart one, though. It means they need a need drafting strategy, not a new strategy for obtaining free agents in 2010!
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2/19/2009  11:05 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
Amare Stoudamire (owed 17.7 million in 10/11)unkown not as good as he once was. Has had microfracture surgery which would be a huge risk factor when investing 100mm$
LeBron James (owed 17.2 million in 10/11)not likely to go anywhere but if he does it will be Miami
Dwayne Wade (owed 17.0 million in 10/11)not going anywhere
Chris Bosh (owed 17.1 million in 10/11) 20% chance he leaves--not a big endorsement guy and Toronto can pay him the most by far. If he does leave I would say Dallas first choice
Dirk Nowitzki (owed $21.5 million in 10/11)not going anywhere

BRIGGS, i'd like to know what you're basing all these assumptions on.

& btw, Amare just scored 29 pts. in 21 minutes played the other night & he's all of 26 years old... hardly a player i'd call that's on the downside of his career.

Even if Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and Isiah Thomas were all in their primes at the same time and becoming FAs, Briggs would say we're better off keeping Lee

OK, let's say that it's 1990 and Michael, Larry, Magic, and Isiah are going to be free agents. You have to eliminate your whole roster to get one of them on the team. You don't have room to sign two of them. You might have room to sign Jordan and Sam Perkins. You have a choice of building around your young players or scrapping everything for just Jordan in a couple of years. He hasn't won a championship, hasn't developed an outside shot yet... oh and you're not sure that he'll sign with you, another team or reup with the Bulls.

What do you do?

No room to sign two of them?
Eliminate your whole roster?
You're asking questions with no bearing on the current Knicks' team. Worst comes to worst and we get no free agents in 2010, we can always give Jamal and Zach max contracts in 2011 and be right back where we were anyway.

Bonn, what do you mean by that? The idea that we'll have room to sign two players is a myth because the salary cap looks like it's going to go down instead of up at this point. And if we wanted to get even close to having that kind of room, we'd have to clear the whole roster and be left with these players;

Curry
Jeffries
Gallo
Chandler
2009 pick

We will not, I repeat, will not be able to resign anyone once we fill out the salary cap. We can only use the minimum player exceptions, which will allow us to sign the type of players that would otherwise be on the street.

Maybe we can sign Raja Bell and LeBron and make a run with the players above. Maybe we'll pull a crazy talent out of the draft.

I think we should use our financial leverage to get lottery picks and shoot for having a cap friendly roster in 2011 and go after Paul, but that's just me.
We have about $20 mil in committed salaries and the lower projected cap is now at around $54 mil. There's room to re-sign Lee, especially at the lower rate he'll get due to the low economy, and still sign a max FA. It's also VERY easy to get rid of a contract if you really want to. Walsh got rid of Z Randolph and Jamal very easily and he'll have many sweeetners (guys playing on rookie contracts, future picks) to include (you'd likely need only one sweetener) to get a team to take Jared Jeffries if necessary. I don't think it would be necessary but the extra cap space would be nice. If it's necessary to keep Lee and get a big FA, then I won't be heart-broken if Walsh trades a future #1 pick, $3 mil cash, and Jeffries for a contract that's one year shorter. The other team is basically adding $4 mil in expenses to get both Jeffries and a future 1st round pick. You could also sign one max contract FA and then use Lee and players on rookie contracts as part of a sign and trade for a second big FA. I see lots of good options now that we got rid of Zach and Jamal.
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2/19/2009  11:06 AM
Yeah, but they need a team to come to. Is LeBron gonna stay with Cleveland where there's MORE money and he'll have just as many endorsements (He can get endorsements if he lives in Montana, he's LeBron) AND the equal shot of obtaining a second big name FA, or are you going to go to a squad in NY that has been completely gutted. Jefferies, MAYBE Duhon, but I wouldn't blame him if he didn't want to stay, Gallo, Chandler, 2009 pick, Curry. Why would any FA go to that team AND lose out on money. Would you? I have to doubt it. I know I wouldn't. I'm playing with LeBron in Cleveland where they are already a contender. Either that, or I'm at least gonna stick with the team that drafted me, if they show they have direction.
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