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2/13/2009  12:21 PM
Why don't we ever set screens for Danilo? This guy's shot is pure.

I know he has a cranky back, but if he's on the court running up and down the court...how much harder would it be to run a circle around a screen-setter and pop the jumper.
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2/13/2009  12:36 PM
Posted by JamaicanJetFan:

Why don't we ever set screens for Danilo? This guy's shot is pure.

I know he has a cranky back, but if he's on the court running up and down the court...how much harder would it be to run a circle around a screen-setter and pop the jumper.

Do we set screens for anyone? Not really they're all pretty useless perimeter screens. They don't free a guy up for a shot they all seem pretty useless to me and at most used so a guard can penetrate.

Meanwhile, on Gallo, it was a gamble of a pick, it could prove worthwhile in the future, but for those clamoring for big minutes for him, I think they've forgotten he's on a minutes schedule because of the back injury and that should not change at all the rest of this year. Why risk it? Already got enough problems with him not being all that special no need to compound that with a reaggravation of his back.
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2/13/2009  12:42 PM
I'm saying that we should maximize his value for the minutes that he IS on the court.

Allan Houston was very effective coming off curls, etc. Is there a particular reason we don't do that? Does that mess with D'Antoni's system?
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2/13/2009  12:47 PM
Posted by JamaicanJetFan:

I'm saying that we should maximize his value for the minutes that he IS on the court.

Allan Houston was very effective coming off curls, etc. Is there a particular reason we don't do that? Does that mess with D'Antoni's system?

He's barely played with the other guys, he's not a go-to guy, and we're still trying to make the playoffs (as absurd as that may seem).

I doubt he's written into any offensive plays. I'm not so sure he should be yet. Featuring him would put undue pressure on him and upset some of the veteran clowns we still have on the roster. I don't think it'd be a good idea. He's just getting his feet wet.

Next year, if healthy, that should absolutely change. Yet, you don't scrap the playbook to get Gallo touches. You just don't do it. We're not talking about a 9 year veteran coming back from injury we're talking about a kid wet behind the ears coming back from injury which severely limited his play.

Work him in slowly.
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2/13/2009  1:57 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by JamaicanJetFan:

I'm saying that we should maximize his value for the minutes that he IS on the court.

Allan Houston was very effective coming off curls, etc. Is there a particular reason we don't do that? Does that mess with D'Antoni's system?

He's barely played with the other guys, he's not a go-to guy, and we're still trying to make the playoffs (as absurd as that may seem).

I doubt he's written into any offensive plays. I'm not so sure he should be yet. Featuring him would put undue pressure on him and upset some of the veteran clowns we still have on the roster. I don't think it'd be a good idea. He's just getting his feet wet.

Next year, if healthy, that should absolutely change. Yet, you don't scrap the playbook to get Gallo touches. You just don't do it. We're not talking about a 9 year veteran coming back from injury we're talking about a kid wet behind the ears coming back from injury which severely limited his play.

Work him in slowly.

All fair points-- I'm just excited to see what this player can be.
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2/13/2009  3:32 PM
Only screens I see is the one Lee does for Duhon other than that there are no pick and rolls with anyone else. They need to utilize Gallo better than they are. Just sending out there to the corner for three point attempts is not what I call basketball. Get him moving to basket, set picks to get him open jumpers.

People are down on Gallo but people don't realize he has zero plays called for him. Thats on D'Antoni he has get him more involved and get Harrington less involved. Harrington is basically putting up every shot he gets and you know whenhe gets the ball he is gonna put the shot up no matter what. Its disgusting watching Harrington play.
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2/13/2009  4:05 PM
Posted by Vmart:

Only screens I see is the one Lee does for Duhon other than that there are no pick and rolls with anyone else. They need to utilize Gallo better than they are. Just sending out there to the corner for three point attempts is not what I call basketball. Get him moving to basket, set picks to get him open jumpers.

People are down on Gallo but people don't realize he has zero plays called for him. Thats on D'Antoni he has get him more involved and get Harrington less involved. Harrington is basically putting up every shot he gets and you know whenhe gets the ball he is gonna put the shot up no matter what. Its disgusting watching Harrington play.

But that is the biggest problem with Gallinari. In MDA system, there is no set play but motion offense. Chandler doesn't have set plays call for him but when given the minutes take his shots if he chooses or looks to get the ball into Harrington or Lee. This is why I am so surprise with how much trouble Gallinari is having. It is weird to watch 4 guys run around and 1 guy stay in the corner. I just assume because everyone else was saying it but maybe this offense doesn't fit his skillset and perhaps he could have more success in a half court offense.
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2/13/2009  4:23 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Vmart:

Only screens I see is the one Lee does for Duhon other than that there are no pick and rolls with anyone else. They need to utilize Gallo better than they are. Just sending out there to the corner for three point attempts is not what I call basketball. Get him moving to basket, set picks to get him open jumpers.

People are down on Gallo but people don't realize he has zero plays called for him. Thats on D'Antoni he has get him more involved and get Harrington less involved. Harrington is basically putting up every shot he gets and you know whenhe gets the ball he is gonna put the shot up no matter what. Its disgusting watching Harrington play.

But that is the biggest problem with Gallinari. In MDA system, there is no set play but motion offense. Chandler doesn't have set plays call for him but when given the minutes take his shots if he chooses or looks to get the ball into Harrington or Lee. This is why I am so surprise with how much trouble Gallinari is having. It is weird to watch 4 guys run around and 1 guy stay in the corner. I just assume because everyone else was saying it but maybe this offense doesn't fit his skillset and perhaps he could have more success in a half court offense.

Well the point is, why are 4 guys running and Gallo standing? Gallo could just as easily be part of the group that's running around.

If you can shoot the ball, and run well for your size, you fit D'Antoni's offense. Gallinari is exactly that.
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2/13/2009  4:46 PM
Posted by JamaicanJetFan:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Vmart:

Only screens I see is the one Lee does for Duhon other than that there are no pick and rolls with anyone else. They need to utilize Gallo better than they are. Just sending out there to the corner for three point attempts is not what I call basketball. Get him moving to basket, set picks to get him open jumpers.

People are down on Gallo but people don't realize he has zero plays called for him. Thats on D'Antoni he has get him more involved and get Harrington less involved. Harrington is basically putting up every shot he gets and you know whenhe gets the ball he is gonna put the shot up no matter what. Its disgusting watching Harrington play.

But that is the biggest problem with Gallinari. In MDA system, there is no set play but motion offense. Chandler doesn't have set plays call for him but when given the minutes take his shots if he chooses or looks to get the ball into Harrington or Lee. This is why I am so surprise with how much trouble Gallinari is having. It is weird to watch 4 guys run around and 1 guy stay in the corner. I just assume because everyone else was saying it but maybe this offense doesn't fit his skillset and perhaps he could have more success in a half court offense.

Well the point is, why are 4 guys running and Gallo standing? Gallo could just as easily be part of the group that's running around.

If you can shoot the ball, and run well for your size, you fit D'Antoni's offense. Gallinari is exactly that.

So why is he having trouble running in the motion offense. Why does he have trouble moving without the ball?
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2/13/2009  4:57 PM
He's plays in a wide open system that averages 104 points a game---what is the need for screens? You move the ball to the open man---get open and shoot it if not move it--that simple.
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2/13/2009  5:42 PM
Posted by Vmart:

Only screens I see is the one Lee does for Duhon other than that there are no pick and rolls with anyone else. They need to utilize Gallo better than they are. Just sending out there to the corner for three point attempts is not what I call basketball. Get him moving to basket, set picks to get him open jumpers.

People are down on Gallo but people don't realize he has zero plays called for him. Thats on D'Antoni he has get him more involved and get Harrington less involved. Harrington is basically putting up every shot he gets and you know whenhe gets the ball he is gonna put the shot up no matter what. Its disgusting watching Harrington play.

With a bad back, they probably want to be careful about having him set picks. That's not to say it shouldn't be done, but you have to be careful about who you're setting the pick on. His outside shot is so good, that it does make sense to try to set a play now and then to get him some room to hit an open trey.
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Posted by Ira:
Posted by Vmart:

Only screens I see is the one Lee does for Duhon other than that there are no pick and rolls with anyone else. They need to utilize Gallo better than they are. Just sending out there to the corner for three point attempts is not what I call basketball. Get him moving to basket, set picks to get him open jumpers.

People are down on Gallo but people don't realize he has zero plays called for him. Thats on D'Antoni he has get him more involved and get Harrington less involved. Harrington is basically putting up every shot he gets and you know whenhe gets the ball he is gonna put the shot up no matter what. Its disgusting watching Harrington play.

With a bad back, they probably want to be careful about having him set picks. That's not to say it shouldn't be done, but you have to be careful about who you're setting the pick on. His outside shot is so good, that it does make sense to try to set a play now and then to get him some room to hit an open trey.

Sweet Jesus. Do they have to hold pee-pee as he go #1 too. The bad back can't be used for everything. Come on.
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Posted by BRIGGS:

He's plays in a wide open system that averages 104 points a game---what is the need for screens? You move the ball to the open man---get open and shoot it if not move it--that simple.

Like freaky poetry man. How can you be the 6th pick and not get the ball in a 271 point game with zero overtime...... that is almost special. Like AHRC special.
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2/13/2009  7:04 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Vmart:

Only screens I see is the one Lee does for Duhon other than that there are no pick and rolls with anyone else. They need to utilize Gallo better than they are. Just sending out there to the corner for three point attempts is not what I call basketball. Get him moving to basket, set picks to get him open jumpers.

People are down on Gallo but people don't realize he has zero plays called for him. Thats on D'Antoni he has get him more involved and get Harrington less involved. Harrington is basically putting up every shot he gets and you know whenhe gets the ball he is gonna put the shot up no matter what. Its disgusting watching Harrington play.

But that is the biggest problem with Gallinari. In MDA system, there is no set play but motion offense. Chandler doesn't have set plays call for him but when given the minutes take his shots if he chooses or looks to get the ball into Harrington or Lee. This is why I am so surprise with how much trouble Gallinari is having. It is weird to watch 4 guys run around and 1 guy stay in the corner. I just assume because everyone else was saying it but maybe this offense doesn't fit his skillset and perhaps he could have more success in a half court offense.

And there also is no motion in this motion offense we run.. when gallo comes in, I see him move, and cut only to be completely ignored while Al and nate force contested shots.... Seeing this, I am suprised he even gets the few shots he does get..

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2/13/2009  7:38 PM
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All fair points-- I'm just excited to see what this player can be.

Me too...I just wouldn't gamble his health -- or another roster mutiny to rush to see what he has (You know, sitting vets to get him minutes, or demanding that vets pass him the ball and ignore the game just to get him play). The season is largely lost for him what's best now is for him to get his feet wet, work hard over the summer, and THEN come in next season hungry and ready to contribute. No rush now.

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2/13/2009  7:40 PM
Posted by Vmart:

Only screens I see is the one Lee does for Duhon other than that there are no pick and rolls with anyone else. They need to utilize Gallo better than they are. Just sending out there to the corner for three point attempts is not what I call basketball. Get him moving to basket, set picks to get him open jumpers.

People are down on Gallo but people don't realize he has zero plays called for him. Thats on D'Antoni he has get him more involved and get Harrington less involved. Harrington is basically putting up every shot he gets and you know whenhe gets the ball he is gonna put the shot up no matter what. Its disgusting watching Harrington play.

Most of our screens are a guy like Harrington coming out, then a guy like Nate not even using it and just driving into the paint only to fail. We're just not good with screens and we're atrocious on defense against opposition screens.

As with most problems with this team it comes down to the fact we don't have the players to execute any form of an intelligent offense. No biggie. We're rebuilding we're not built to compete this year or next year. Those demands should begin after the 2010 offseason.

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2/13/2009  7:51 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by Vmart:

Only screens I see is the one Lee does for Duhon other than that there are no pick and rolls with anyone else. They need to utilize Gallo better than they are. Just sending out there to the corner for three point attempts is not what I call basketball. Get him moving to basket, set picks to get him open jumpers.

People are down on Gallo but people don't realize he has zero plays called for him. Thats on D'Antoni he has get him more involved and get Harrington less involved. Harrington is basically putting up every shot he gets and you know whenhe gets the ball he is gonna put the shot up no matter what. Its disgusting watching Harrington play.

Most of our screens are a guy like Harrington coming out, then a guy like Nate not even using it and just driving into the paint only to fail. We're just not good with screens and we're atrocious on defense against opposition screens.

As with most problems with this team it comes down to the fact we don't have the players to execute any form of an intelligent offense. No biggie. We're rebuilding we're not built to compete this year or next year. Those demands should begin after the 2010 offseason.

that pretty much is the case... these guys can't and won't execute any form of intelligent offense. I agree, it is just frustrating tho...

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Most of our screens are a guy like Harrington coming out, then a guy like Nate not even using it and just driving into the paint only to fail. We're just not good with screens and we're atrocious on defense against opposition screens.

As with most problems with this team it comes down to the fact we don't have the players to execute any form of an intelligent offense. No biggie. We're rebuilding we're not built to compete this year or next year. Those demands should begin after the 2010 offseason.


that pretty much is the case... these guys can't and won't execute any form of intelligent offense. I agree, it is just frustrating tho...


Oh, yeah, it's tough to watch, but this go around I can accept it knowing management has set us up with a CHANCE to improve down the line and I know given the contracts we have it will take some time to get there. This go around the players we have aren't a part of the future - whereas in the past they were touted as franchise cornerstones and we lost anyway. It's just easier to accept this time around. There's an inkling of hope out there for a change.


[Edited by - cosmic on 02-13-2009 7:55 PM]
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2/13/2009  8:49 PM
I thought the inkling of hope was last June at the draft. How do you mess up that pick in that deep a draft?
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