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JohnWallace44
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2/11/2009  1:34 PM
Michael Jordan questions whether the "Summer of LeBron'' -- the 2010 free-agent class -- will involve as many stars changing teams as some would speculate. Jordan said the Collective Bargaining Agreement gives such advantages to the retaining teams (longer contracts, larger raises) that it would be foolish for the Bobcats to hoard cap room in anticipation of making a star signing. I have to say his reasoning is sound on this, but i still wonder if it's best for them to already have $52 million-plus in cap obligations two seasons away.
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2/11/2009  1:40 PM
Charlotte isn't exactly NY... I mean, its tough for Atlanta to lure FAs...
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2/11/2009  1:41 PM
Would have been foolish to draft bradon roy, rudy gay, or foye over Adam Morrison, or foolish to trade a lottery pick for Jason Richardson or not draft brook lopez because larry said he wanted a pg.

MJ is a terrible basketball mind who has made countless terrible decisions in the front office.
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2/11/2009  2:16 PM
it really is crazy that he flopped so bad on those two picks
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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2/11/2009  2:28 PM
i think the last person we should be looking to gain insight on how to effectively run an NBA franchise is #23.
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2/11/2009  2:31 PM
Posted by TMS:

i think the last person we should be looking to gain insight on how to effectively run an NBA franchise is #23.

2nd to last. 1st is Isiah.
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2/11/2009  2:33 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by TMS:

i think the last person we should be looking to gain insight on how to effectively run an NBA franchise is #23.

2nd to last. 1st is Isiah.

i disagree, at least Isiah has drafted some decent talent over the years... MJ is the worst NBA exec in basketball IMHO... he's gotten & kept his job based on his playing days reputation & that's it.
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2/11/2009  2:34 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by TMS:

i think the last person we should be looking to gain insight on how to effectively run an NBA franchise is #23.

2nd to last. 1st is Isiah.

i disagree, at least Isiah has drafted some decent talent over the years... MJ is the worst NBA exec in basketball IMHO... he's gotten & kept his job based on his playing days reputation & that's it.

Jordan drafted Augustin so he's got that going for him.
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2/11/2009  4:17 PM
Jordan is right. Many teams are vying for cap space and there won't be as many players available for all.

Its not just about 2010, its about 2011 also!

Im sure Jordan is not just talking about the knicks.
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2/11/2009  4:22 PM
foye over Adam Morrison

I agree that Jordan is a piss poor exec. but I don't think ANYBODY would have thought that Morrison would have turned out the way he is. He was awesome and tough as nails in college. Just hasn't been someone who has been able to pan out in the NBA.
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2/11/2009  4:24 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Jordan is right. Many teams are vying for cap space and there won't be as many players available for all.

Its not just about 2010, its about 2011 also!

Im sure Jordan is not just talking about the knicks.

I am not sure about this. I don't hear Donnie saying and 2011 when talking about the future of the Knicks. I think Walsh realize who he is working for. Dolan is not about to sit around and listen to well we couldn't get the best players in the NBA but we will get the second or third tier guys. Dolan is a starphucker. I think there is an understanding in place between those two men and I am confident that if Lebron or Wade aren't in NY by 2010 then I don't expect Walsh to be either for much longer. Your namesake maybe keeping a low profile this season but by no means do I believe he has changed his philosophy especially after another season in the red.
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2/11/2009  4:26 PM
Cap flexibility is cap flexibility. In 2009, or 2010, or 2011.
If team has it - team can sign good and great players if they will be willing and available.
If you have no cap space and have a bunch of overpaid scrubs you are doomed regardless.
So what is the point to even question this?
#23 main point is simple - if you have the possibility to get players you want now, why wait for 2010. And I agree with him on this 100%.
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2/11/2009  9:26 PM
In addition to an inability to run a team as an executive, Isiah brought an incompetence to coaching, and destroyed the character and professionalism of a great franchise through his actions and behavior. Racism, sexual harrassment, fighting with players etc. You cannot put Isiah in the same sentence with anyone else. He is the king loser and Dolan is the king @ssclown. Just ask Isiah's daughter.
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2/11/2009  9:43 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Nalod:

Jordan is right. Many teams are vying for cap space and there won't be as many players available for all.

Its not just about 2010, its about 2011 also!

Im sure Jordan is not just talking about the knicks.

I am not sure about this. I don't hear Donnie saying and 2011 when talking about the future of the Knicks. I think Walsh realize who he is working for. Dolan is not about to sit around and listen to well we couldn't get the best players in the NBA but we will get the second or third tier guys. Dolan is a starphucker. I think there is an understanding in place between those two men and I am confident that if Lebron or Wade aren't in NY by 2010 then I don't expect Walsh to be either for much longer. Your namesake maybe keeping a low profile this season but by no means do I believe he has changed his philosophy especially after another season in the red.

Yes, Dolan reminded us a week or so ago that 2011 is another FA opportunity. He's got a four year contract, no? I doubt he's got a four year contract with a two year "understanding". I think Dolan understood from fans, media and Stern that he had to clean house and rebuild.

My fear is that the rebuild will tilt too far in the other direction. Before Isiah, Dolan had Layden build us the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. After Isiah/Marbury, is he gonna want us to go pearly white again? Ditto for Walsh who stewed in the Artest, Jackson, O'Neal mess for so long. Is he gonna want choir boys too? As DJ said, Lee, Gallo, Duhon are already the whitest team in the league. Are we gonna be collecting "good guys" like Hoawrd Eiley and resurrecting the god squad again too?
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2/11/2009  10:32 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Michael Jordan questions whether the "Summer of LeBron'' -- the 2010 free-agent class -- will involve as many stars changing teams as some would speculate. Jordan said the Collective Bargaining Agreement gives such advantages to the retaining teams (longer contracts, larger raises) that it would be foolish for the Bobcats to hoard cap room in anticipation of making a star signing. I have to say his reasoning is sound on this, but i still wonder if it's best for them to already have $52 million-plus in cap obligations two seasons away.

I don't give two craps what that bald headed ass has to say. jordan the great player had no real competition and he hasn't managed a thing worth talking about. Holy my butt.
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2/11/2009  10:35 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by TMS:

i think the last person we should be looking to gain insight on how to effectively run an NBA franchise is #23.

2nd to last. 1st is Isiah.

i disagree, at least Isiah has drafted some decent talent over the years... MJ is the worst NBA exec in basketball IMHO... he's gotten & kept his job based on his playing days reputation & that's it.

Jordan drafted Augustin so he's got that going for him.

Craps on Knick fans here and then goes and defends the guy who crushed all the Knick hopes back in the 90's. Nice going dude.
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2/11/2009  10:56 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by TMS:

i think the last person we should be looking to gain insight on how to effectively run an NBA franchise is #23.

2nd to last. 1st is Isiah.

i disagree, at least Isiah has drafted some decent talent over the years... MJ is the worst NBA exec in basketball IMHO... he's gotten & kept his job based on his playing days reputation & that's it.

How can Isiah be better with what he did to this team? MJ's drafting is poor, but on the other hand, he didn't consistently sign and trade for useless role players making star salaries to handicap his team for six years.

[Edited by - Solace on Feb 11 2009 10:57 PM]
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2/12/2009  2:03 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by TMS:

i think the last person we should be looking to gain insight on how to effectively run an NBA franchise is #23.

2nd to last. 1st is Isiah.

i disagree, at least Isiah has drafted some decent talent over the years... MJ is the worst NBA exec in basketball IMHO... he's gotten & kept his job based on his playing days reputation & that's it.

How can Isiah be better with what he did to this team? MJ's drafting is poor, but on the other hand, he didn't consistently sign and trade for useless role players making star salaries to handicap his team for six years.

[Edited by - Solace on Feb 11 2009 10:57 PM]

& just what kind of job has MJ done w/that Bobcats' franchise? how did he do w/the Washington Wizards franchise? Kwame Brown? 'nuff said... sorry but he's done a piss poor job as an NBA executive, there's no getting around it... no one's saying Isiah's done a good job but at least he's drafted some quality talent over the years... MJ has no positives to show for his record as an NBA GM.
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2/12/2009  2:15 AM
Isiah made 3 good late draft pics and a HORRIBLE franchise back breaking lotto pick. Jordan made a good lotto pick (Augustine) and an Il Bustino lotto pick with the Wizards. Isiah got 3 good lotto picks with 3 guys that fell in his lap. He still manages to get fired from the Raptors and proceed to send the CBA into bankruptcy. Then he turns the Knicks from pretty bad, to the laughing stock of all of sports. He brings the Knicks a major sexual harrassment lawsuit. Makes horrible trade/horrible signings and fires many hall of fame coaches.

I would say they were both pretty damn bad, but I would say with no hesitation that Isiah is the worst.

And don't even bring up Balkman. He could have easily drafted Rondo with the earlier pick and there's no way Balk wouldn't have fallen to 30. If you think he would have been nabbed, you're out of your mind. And Balkman is a ho hum player anyway.
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2/12/2009  2:21 AM
enough w/this silliness about players falling into his lap... he didn't have to pick the players he did, he deserves credit for drafting guys like Camby, T-Mac, David Lee, Wilson Chandler... MJ has never drafted a player better than any of those guys... DJ Augustine is all u have to offer on MJ's draft history? he had the #1 overall pick & he takes perhaps the biggest bust of alltime in Kwame Brown, then he completely blows another high lottery pick w/his brilliant choice of Morrison... i'm sorry but i can't think of 1 positive thing he's done as a GM in his entire tenure as an NBA executive... i never said Isiah was a good example, but IMO MJ is worse.

[Edited by - TMS on 02-11-2009 11:22 PM]
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