This from Alan Hahn's chat today:

“… I know Donnie tried to buy that pick to get Chalmers. They absolutely loved him. But the cost was astronomical ($2M I heard) so they passed and Miami got him. I know the Knicks have boatloads of cash, but $2M for a second-round pick is a big investment for a player that you could not (at the time) guarantee would make the team."

Are you ****ing kidding me??? Why the hell would Walsh refuse to use the one advantage that the Knicks have over most teams? $2M is nothing for a high 2nd round pick that you really like. It costs less in money and roster space than if they bought a pick at the end of the 1st round since the contract isn't guaranteed and neither is the roster spot.

A lot of people on this board were clamoring for Walsh to buy a pick, in order to draft a player exactly like Chalmers. The fact that he had the opportunity and declined it is mind boggling. Chalmers is making $700,000 this year. Since when is $2.7 million too expensive for a talented young PG that could be groomed to be your starting PG for the next decade?

That's just ****ed up.

ANTHONY ROBERSON FTW!!!

GRRR!!

Posted by EwingsGlass:

Posted by islesfan:

This from Alan Hahn's chat today:

“… I know Donnie tried to buy that pick to get Chalmers. They absolutely loved him. But the cost was astronomical ($2M I heard) so they passed and Miami got him. I know the Knicks have boatloads of cash, but $2M for a second-round pick is a big investment for a player that you could not (at the time) guarantee would make the team."

Are you ****ing kidding me??? Why the hell would Walsh refuse to use the one advantage that the Knicks have over most teams? $2M is nothing for a high 2nd round pick that you really like. It costs less in money and roster space than if they bought a pick at the end of the 1st round since the contract isn't guaranteed and neither is the roster spot.

A lot of people on this board were clamoring for Walsh to buy a pick, in order to draft a player exactly like Chalmers. The fact that he had the opportunity and declined it is mind boggling. Chalmers is making $700,000 this year. Since when is $2.7 million too expensive for a talented young PG that could be groomed to be your starting PG for the next decade?

That's just ****ed up.

Hind sight is 20-20 huh...

How the hell is that hindsight when a lot of people were calling for him to buy picks when possible and a lot of people here wanted the Knicks to try to draft him if possible?

Do yourself a favor and look up the definition of "hindsight" before you use it incorrectly...again.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by EwingsGlass:

Posted by islesfan:

This from Alan Hahn's chat today:

“… I know Donnie tried to buy that pick to get Chalmers. They absolutely loved him. But the cost was astronomical ($2M I heard) so they passed and Miami got him. I know the Knicks have boatloads of cash, but $2M for a second-round pick is a big investment for a player that you could not (at the time) guarantee would make the team."

Are you ****ing kidding me??? Why the hell would Walsh refuse to use the one advantage that the Knicks have over most teams? $2M is nothing for a high 2nd round pick that you really like. It costs less in money and roster space than if they bought a pick at the end of the 1st round since the contract isn't guaranteed and neither is the roster spot.

A lot of people on this board were clamoring for Walsh to buy a pick, in order to draft a player exactly like Chalmers. The fact that he had the opportunity and declined it is mind boggling. Chalmers is making $700,000 this year. Since when is $2.7 million too expensive for a talented young PG that could be groomed to be your starting PG for the next decade?

That's just ****ed up.

Hind sight is 20-20 huh...

How the hell is that hindsight when a lot of people were calling for him to buy picks when possible and a lot of people here wanted the Knicks to try to draft him if possible?

Do yourself a favor and look up the definition of "hindsight" before you use it incorrectly...again.

I mean to be fair, alot of us was clamoring more for a second pick in the first round....2 mil at that time is kinda steep for a 2nd rounder to be fair to Walsh ie gramps

[Edited by - NineMike2Whiskey on 02-10-2009 10:26 PM]

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by NineMike2Whiskey:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by EwingsGlass:

Posted by islesfan:

This from Alan Hahn's chat today:

“… I know Donnie tried to buy that pick to get Chalmers. They absolutely loved him. But the cost was astronomical ($2M I heard) so they passed and Miami got him. I know the Knicks have boatloads of cash, but $2M for a second-round pick is a big investment for a player that you could not (at the time) guarantee would make the team."

Are you ****ing kidding me??? Why the hell would Walsh refuse to use the one advantage that the Knicks have over most teams? $2M is nothing for a high 2nd round pick that you really like. It costs less in money and roster space than if they bought a pick at the end of the 1st round since the contract isn't guaranteed and neither is the roster spot.

A lot of people on this board were clamoring for Walsh to buy a pick, in order to draft a player exactly like Chalmers. The fact that he had the opportunity and declined it is mind boggling. Chalmers is making $700,000 this year. Since when is $2.7 million too expensive for a talented young PG that could be groomed to be your starting PG for the next decade?

That's just ****ed up.

Hind sight is 20-20 huh...

How the hell is that hindsight when a lot of people were calling for him to buy picks when possible and a lot of people here wanted the Knicks to try to draft him if possible?

Do yourself a favor and look up the definition of "hindsight" before you use it incorrectly...again.

I mean to be fair, alot of us was clamoring more for a second pick in the first round....2 mil at that time is kinda steep for a 2nd rounder to be fair to Walsh ie gramps

[Edited by - NineMike2Whiskey on 02-10-2009 10:26 PM]

Is it fair to say that Chalmers was one of the players people were targeted for that second pick in the first round? The fact that he fell to the 2nd round and became an even better bargain, while limiting the risk, makes it even more unfathomable why Walsh didn't make that deal.

Like i said, it hurts Isles to miss out on Chalmers, but bottomline is 2 mil looks steep and it wasnt a given that Chalmers will drop that low at the time, and if a 2nd rounder was worth 2 mil, god wonders how much we would have given up for another first rounder, i doubt Dolan would sign of on that. I'll still give gramps a pass on this considering the fact we never know how much is Dolan willing to spend nowadays.

Posted by islesfan:

This from Alan Hahn's chat today:

“… I know Donnie tried to buy that pick to get Chalmers. They absolutely loved him. But the cost was astronomical ($2M I heard) so they passed and Miami got him. I know the Knicks have boatloads of cash, but $2M for a second-round pick is a big investment for a player that you could not (at the time) guarantee would make the team."

Are you ****ing kidding me??? Why the hell would Walsh refuse to use the one advantage that the Knicks have over most teams? $2M is nothing for a high 2nd round pick that you really like. It costs less in money and roster space than if they bought a pick at the end of the 1st round since the contract isn't guaranteed and neither is the roster spot.

A lot of people on this board were clamoring for Walsh to buy a pick, in order to draft a player exactly like Chalmers. The fact that he had the opportunity and declined it is mind boggling. Chalmers is making $700,000 this year. Since when is $2.7 million too expensive for a talented young PG that could be groomed to be your starting PG for the next decade?

That's just ****ed up.

Can't buy the financial excuse considering we signed a player who doesn't play any minutes for us now and signed Duhon for a little more than market value. When you do the Lux Tax ramification on both of these signings all you can do is laugh. Let's also not overlook Deandre Jordan was picked right after Chalmers.

Posted by NineMike2Whiskey:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by NineMike2Whiskey:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by EwingsGlass:

Posted by islesfan:

This from Alan Hahn's chat today:

“… I know Donnie tried to buy that pick to get Chalmers. They absolutely loved him. But the cost was astronomical ($2M I heard) so they passed and Miami got him. I know the Knicks have boatloads of cash, but $2M for a second-round pick is a big investment for a player that you could not (at the time) guarantee would make the team."

Are you ****ing kidding me??? Why the hell would Walsh refuse to use the one advantage that the Knicks have over most teams? $2M is nothing for a high 2nd round pick that you really like. It costs less in money and roster space than if they bought a pick at the end of the 1st round since the contract isn't guaranteed and neither is the roster spot.

A lot of people on this board were clamoring for Walsh to buy a pick, in order to draft a player exactly like Chalmers. The fact that he had the opportunity and declined it is mind boggling. Chalmers is making $700,000 this year. Since when is $2.7 million too expensive for a talented young PG that could be groomed to be your starting PG for the next decade?

That's just ****ed up.

Hind sight is 20-20 huh...

How the hell is that hindsight when a lot of people were calling for him to buy picks when possible and a lot of people here wanted the Knicks to try to draft him if possible?

Do yourself a favor and look up the definition of "hindsight" before you use it incorrectly...again.

I mean to be fair, alot of us was clamoring more for a second pick in the first round....2 mil at that time is kinda steep for a 2nd rounder to be fair to Walsh ie gramps

[Edited by - NineMike2Whiskey on 02-10-2009 10:26 PM]

Is it fair to say that Chalmers was one of the players people were targeted for that second pick in the first round? The fact that he fell to the 2nd round and became an even better bargain, while limiting the risk, makes it even more unfathomable why Walsh didn't make that deal.

Like i said, it hurts Isles to miss out on Chalmers, but bottomline is 2 mil looks steep and it wasnt a given that Chalmers will drop that low at the time, and if a 2nd rounder was worth 2 mil, god wonders how much we would have given up for another first rounder, i doubt Dolan would sign of on that. I'll still give gramps a pass on this considering the fact we never know how much is Dolan willing to spend nowadays.

Then our GM doesn't have Complete Autonomy

"His mandate is clear - do whatever is necessary to turn this team around," Madison Square Garden chairman James Dolan said.

Dolan gave Walsh complete autonomy, meaning he could also change the organization's media policy. The Knicks don't allow individual interviews with players or staff unless a public relations official is present, and Walsh is known to be friendly with the media.

That sucks, Chamlers is gonna be a baller.

Posted by martin:

the Chamlers pick was gotten for 2 2009 second round picks and cash. Miami upped the offer.

Easily fixed... Balkman or Mardy plus our 2009 second and cash for the pick. We gave Balkman away practically, considering we won't be able to exercise the second rounder from Denver. Then this would have given us another option to go with on the MLE because our point position would have been filled.

Posted by GallOfFame:

Posted by martin:

the Chamlers pick was gotten for 2 2009 second round picks and cash. Miami upped the offer.

Easily fixed... Balkman or Mardy plus our 2009 second and cash for the pick. We gave Balkman away practically, considering we won't be able to exercise the second rounder from Denver. Then this would have given us another option to go with on the MLE because our point position would have been filled.

you mean the Twolves would want more guards and forwards and salary? They were asking for cash.