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knicks1248
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2/9/2009  10:38 AM
It seems the most logical, the guy can flat out score from anywhere on the court, he always wants the ball, he's a semi decent passer and he's solid at the line. Not to mention he's our leading scorer and most vocal, it just seem like a no brainer.
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2/9/2009  10:43 AM
thing is... he isn't a decent passer, in fact he's more of a black hole. And he makes bad decisions with the ball.
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2/9/2009  10:55 AM
Posted by martin:

thing is... he isn't a decent passer, in fact he's more of a black hole. And he makes bad decisions with the ball.

Exactly. It's not so much that he isn't a decent passer - he's an UNWILLING passer.

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2/9/2009  11:05 AM
Posted by martin:

thing is... he isn't a decent passer, in fact he's more of a black hole. And he makes bad decisions with the ball.

well if you design a play for him then it he wont look like he broke a play, If your puttnig him in a situation and you practice it over and over, his decision will become better. Put in in a number of senerios in practice.
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2/9/2009  11:10 AM
I though Al was the go to guy?????

Either him or Nate or we run a pick and roll with Duhon and Lee.
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2/9/2009  11:13 AM
Posted by knicks1248:
Posted by martin:

thing is... he isn't a decent passer, in fact he's more of a black hole. And he makes bad decisions with the ball.

well if you design a play for him then it he wont look like he broke a play, If your puttnig him in a situation and you practice it over and over, his decision will become better. Put in in a number of senerios in practice.

i think that's what coaches have been doing for years but it just hasn't worked out. Al has a hard time knowing when to pass, when to shoot, when to dribble, when to double on D.
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2/9/2009  11:23 AM
Posted by knicks1248:

It seems the most logical, the guy can flat out score from anywhere on the court, he always wants the ball, he's a semi decent passer and he's solid at the line. Not to mention he's our leading scorer and most vocal, it just seem like a no brainer.


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2/9/2009  11:45 AM
Kind of "go to hell guy"...
Actually did you notice Al is red as Hellboy...
Especially on the starting lineup picture. is he half Native American?
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2/9/2009  12:08 PM
You cant win without Al Nate Tim Thomas and Lee--the four guys most people want gone. That is why I have no idea about the future of this team
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2/9/2009  12:13 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

You cant win without Al Nate Tim Thomas and Lee--the four guys most people want gone. That is why I have no idea about the future of this team

Explain what you mean by without?
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2/9/2009  12:29 PM
he is also too streaky. he can be on fire but then lose it just as fast. also i get the impression that he doesn't WANT the ball at the end or not as confident. not like crawford who thrives for those moments. on our team, the person i could see developing into that is gallinari. i think he is a player, with enough time under his belt, he would love to be in positions like that, probably next year or this year once we are out of the playoff race in april. he has the range and offensive mind to thrive in situations like that.
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2/9/2009  12:34 PM
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by BRIGGS:

You cant win without Al Nate Tim Thomas and Lee--the four guys most people want gone. That is why I have no idea about the future of this team

Explain what you mean by without?

The Knicks as constructed cannot win without these players. You cannot take Nate and Al off of this team and hope you can win games with the rest of the guys. So you take the little problems that the players have. You cant replace Harrington with malik rose or Nate with Roberson.
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2/9/2009  12:39 PM
Posted by jazz74:

he is also too streaky. he can be on fire but then lose it just as fast. also i get the impression that he doesn't WANT the ball at the end or not as confident. not like crawford who thrives for those moments. on our team, the person i could see developing into that is gallinari. i think he is a player, with enough time under his belt, he would love to be in positions like that, probably next year or this year once we are out of the playoff race in april. he has the range and offensive mind to thrive in situations like that.

Yeah, I was making that point the other night. Not only don't we have a go-to guy, we don't even have a guy who wants to be the go-to guy. Closest we have to a go-to guy mentality is Nate, but thats because he's CrAzY...
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2/9/2009  1:13 PM
He is the go to guy, have you seen how bad the shots are that he takes at the end of games? He doesn't see the floor. A good go to guy not only gets his own shot- but he can see the floor and set something up when the play breaks down.
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2/9/2009  1:20 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by BRIGGS:

You cant win without Al Nate Tim Thomas and Lee--the four guys most people want gone. That is why I have no idea about the future of this team

Explain what you mean by without?

The Knicks as constructed cannot win without these players. You cannot take Nate and Al off of this team and hope you can win games with the rest of the guys. So you take the little problems that the players have. You cant replace Harrington with malik rose or Nate with Roberson.


Isn't this the case for most teams who have trouble winning games with their teams as constructed. Fans want these guys replaced with players from other teams or for future assets.
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2/9/2009  1:22 PM
I'd rather take my chances with Danilo taking a 27 foot 3 pointer than anyone else on this team trying to do anything with the ball in the closing seconds of a game.
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2/9/2009  1:45 PM
Posted by JamaicanJetFan:

I'd rather take my chances with Danilo taking a 27 foot 3 pointer than anyone else on this team trying to do anything with the ball in the closing seconds of a game.

This is why I made that other post. Now you have Gallinari as our closer. I think Gallinari can shoot to. I also think he was drafted 10-15 spots to high. That doesnt mean he wont be a good NBA player--but we didnt get the best player for our team at 6. Maybe one day he can be a true closer but that's still is a scary thought of having your closer be a 3 point specialist. I would rather take my chances with a really good G penetrating or a 7 footer taking a 6 footer but whatever.
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2/9/2009  1:47 PM
Posted by JamaicanJetFan:

I'd rather take my chances with Danilo taking a 27 foot 3 pointer than anyone else on this team trying to do anything with the ball in the closing seconds of a game.

Good luck with that. At this point, He hasn't been steady either with a man in his face. Teams have caught on. Play tight man to man defense and he will commit the turnover.
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2/9/2009  2:41 PM
Posted by JamaicanJetFan:

I'd rather take my chances with Danilo taking a 27 foot 3 pointer than anyone else on this team trying to do anything with the ball in the closing seconds of a game.

That speaks volumes about this team and some of the players that some people want to keep at all costs. But consider that Gallinari can't create his own shot and has to be set up for wide open spot up jumpers.

Like Pharzeone said, teams are already figuring out that you can't leave him wide open and he's not very good when you man up on him.
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2/9/2009  3:14 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by JamaicanJetFan:

I'd rather take my chances with Danilo taking a 27 foot 3 pointer than anyone else on this team trying to do anything with the ball in the closing seconds of a game.

Good luck with that. At this point, He hasn't been steady either with a man in his face. Teams have caught on. Play tight man to man defense and he will commit the turnover.

i think that will change over time. the pace of the game and intesity is much different than what he was used to in italy. its like ming. at first he had a hard time adjusting to the defense but he did. i think gallinari can create his own shot because he can handle the ball well for someone his size and he did show glimpses of that in the summer league and some games he already played. all new players will make mistakes but its the adjusting that is key. we will see if he can adjust or not.
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