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crzymdups
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2/2/2009  1:13 AM
18.6ppg
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2/2/2009  1:32 AM
He's good. Plain and simple, David Lee is really good. I feel like in January we all saw some different offensive moves from him that worked well.. the occasional crossover, nice dunks on defenders..

What is this guy's ceiling?
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2/2/2009  6:39 AM
He's improved every season. Next year, if he expands the range on his jumper and improves his back to the basket game, he could be a beast on the offensive end. He could be a 20-10 guy.
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2/2/2009  6:53 AM
Posted by Ira:

He's improved every season. Next year, if he expands the range on his jumper and improves his back to the basket game, he could be a beast on the offensive end. He could be a 20-10 guy.

Only if his rebounding deteriorates
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2/2/2009  7:02 AM
My question is: is Lee really that good or the system is what helped him improve?

In other words, what would a guy like Bosh who is a beast without a good system once coached by Mike D?
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2/2/2009  7:34 AM
I love David Lee, but back away from the edge.

He is good, but his impact is in hustle and smarts- less so a pure physical ability to impact a game.

And lest not forget he still plays a pretty awesome 'Matador D'.

He is a good fit in this system- he is smart and knows where to go and what to do. His numbers clearly take a step back in a different system.

In terms of ceiling- I think he has been compared before- is probably someone like a Tom Chambers.
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2/2/2009  7:47 AM
what i meant was, all debate aside - those are some nice numbers.


i think Lee is a pretty unique player. some of his moves to the hoop these days are super smooth. it'd be pretty cool if he could stick around to be part of a major turn around.
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2/2/2009  8:25 AM
Posted by franco12:

I love David Lee, but back away from the edge.

He is good, but his impact is in hustle and smarts- less so a pure physical ability to impact a game.

And lest not forget he still plays a pretty awesome 'Matador D'.

He is a good fit in this system- he is smart and knows where to go and what to do. His numbers clearly take a step back in a different system.

In terms of ceiling- I think he has been compared before- is probably someone like a Tom Chambers.

How the hell did Steve Nash get his two MVP awards if everyone was aware of this system trick?
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2/2/2009  9:48 AM
Posted by raven:

My question is: is Lee really that good or the system is what helped him improve?

I don't think those 2 are mutually exclusive. Both.

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2/2/2009  10:48 AM
It's not just his number that make Lee a good player (a starter in my opinion). He's our best outlet passer, he makes good decisions with the ball, and knows the most efficient way for his team to score. His knowledge of the totality of the game is not necessarily revealed in his numbers (as good as they are).

Does it really matter if he's not quite as good as Bosh, Amare, or whomever? We drafted a really good player that, given other similarly skilled players, can be a part of something.
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2/2/2009  12:44 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by raven:

My question is: is Lee really that good or the system is what helped him improve?

I don't think those 2 are mutually exclusive. Both.

Yeah but if keeping Lee prevented us to get Bosh, which one would you rather have playing in Mike's system ?
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2/2/2009  12:54 PM
Posted by raven:
Posted by martin:
Posted by raven:

My question is: is Lee really that good or the system is what helped him improve?

I don't think those 2 are mutually exclusive. Both.

Yeah but if keeping Lee prevented us to get Bosh, which one would you rather have playing in Mike's system ?

that's kind of a weird question isn't it? All things being equal, player for player, Bosh is better than Lee.
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2/2/2009  5:11 PM
Player of the week for eastern Conference: Thought about making a thread but since this thread is here. Lee playing well for the month, honored for the past week. Congrats David Lee:

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/02/02/players.of.week/index.html

Sometimes it is the system, sometimes it's the player. I think D. Lee can play in any system.
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2/2/2009  5:25 PM
Posted by raven:

My question is: is Lee really that good or the system is what helped him improve?

In other words, what would a guy like Bosh who is a beast without a good system once coached by Mike D?
Lee's stats really aren't improved. His per 48 #s are virtually identical (and pretty darn good). Bosh is the better player no doubt but you can't lose Lee for nothing. Keep Lee. Maybe he'll even be part of a sign and trade for Bosh anyway.
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Posted by Travla:

Player of the week for eastern Conference: Thought about making a thread but since this thread is here. Lee playing well for the month, honored for the past week. Congrats David Lee:

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/02/02/players.of.week/index.html

Sometimes it is the system, sometimes it's the player. I think D. Lee can play in any system.

yeah, i think he'd rebound in any system, but maybe not be made as much of an offensive focal point. i think that's yet another benefit of trading ZBO as early as possible - we get to see what we really have with Lee and let him learn some new responsibilities.
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2/2/2009  6:35 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Travla:

Player of the week for eastern Conference: Thought about making a thread but since this thread is here. Lee playing well for the month, honored for the past week. Congrats David Lee:

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/02/02/players.of.week/index.html

Sometimes it is the system, sometimes it's the player. I think D. Lee can play in any system.

yeah, i think he'd rebound in any system, but maybe not be made as much of an offensive focal point. i think that's yet another benefit of trading ZBO as early as possible - we get to see what we really have with Lee and let him learn some new responsibilities.

it's pretty funny how a lot of posters here thought trading Zach would mean we'd have no good players that a bigname FA would want to play with in 2010... now everyone's saying the same about trading D Lee.

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2/2/2009  7:15 PM
Holy ****in ****!!! Tom chambers????

Ok.....hold the phone....tom chanbers was one of the best scoring big men in the league during the 80's. He hit 27pts per one year if I'm not mistaken......please come back to earth with the David Lee compared to Tom Chambers bull****!!!!

Respect Tom Chambers career. David Lee is no Tom Chambers!!!! Stop the nonsense!!!
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2/2/2009  7:17 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Holy ****in ****!!! Tom chambers????

Ok.....hold the phone....tom chanbers was one of the best scoring big men in the league during the 80's. He hit 27pts per one year if I'm not mistaken......please come back to earth with the David Lee compared to Tom Chambers bull****!!!!

Respect Tom Chambers career. David Lee is no Tom Chambers!!!! Stop the nonsense!!!

David Lee is Tom Chambers.
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2/2/2009  7:21 PM
Lee is just a very productive player. Regardless of what people may or may not believe to be his talent level, the score sheet doesn't give a crap. btw, on the talent front, he is long, absolutely ambidextrous and a former slam dunk champ, so it's not like he's without some aa.
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2/2/2009  8:09 PM
Posted by raven:

My question is: is Lee really that good or the system is what helped him improve?

In other words, what would a guy like Bosh who is a beast without a good system once coached by Mike D?

I kind of think that the system is helping Lee's totals. I think in a conventional offense, he would be more like 16 pts, 11 rbs, 1.8 ast, and shooting at more like 54%, which are still very good numbers. However, MDA's system allows for more scoring opportunities and the pick and roll plays that we constantly run for Lee allow him alot of opportunities to score at a high percentage. Lee's postgame has improved but he is still not someone you can put on the block 15 times a game and say, go score or create a double team. His midrange jumper has improved but it is still far from automatic. Moreover, his defense is still fairly suspect. Overall, Lee has shown that he is an improved player, but I think his current stats are slightly inflated due to the system. The real question is whether Lee is a starting caliber PF. I think the answer to that question is "yes" but he still needs to improve, especially on defense.
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