Lets start with the wwrong:
Andrew Bogut is not going to be a hall of famer. Hes a good guy and sure its possible, but highly unlikely he will developer into a HOF talent.
Hes gonna be a solid center, not a star not what you'd want from a #1 pick but definitely not a bust either. Just a good player, double double.

Andrew Bynum:
Yeah hes the real deal. He's gonna be special. He's special now, he plays with fire and hes gonna be really good and he's only 20-21 and still filling out his body.
BUT, if we would have drafted him, we probably woulda screwed him up with the culture of this organization and the dysfunctional players.
He probably would not have been special with us, I have to believe part of the reason he is developing the way he is because of
Phil Jackson's coaching and playing with a guy like Kobe.

Ive been gone a while from the board and this is one of the things I've thought about.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Lets start with the wwrong:
Andrew Bogut is not going to be a hall of famer. Hes a good guy and sure its possible, but highly unlikely he will developer into a HOF talent.
Hes gonna be a solid center, not a star not what you'd want from a #1 pick but definitely not a bust either. Just a good player, double double.

Andrew Bynum:
Yeah hes the real deal. He's gonna be special. He's special now, he plays with fire and hes gonna be really good and he's only 20-21 and still filling out his body.
BUT, if we would have drafted him, we probably woulda screwed him up with the culture of this organization and the dysfunctional players.
He probably would not have been special with us, I have to believe part of the reason he is developing the way he is because of
Phil Jackson's coaching and playing with a guy like Kobe.

Ive been gone a while from the board and this is one of the things I've thought about.

Hey Killa, welcome back.

You spent your time away thinking about Briggs? Scary.

Killa.. I hope you start posting more. DJ is probably putting together a Knicks game in a minute, hope you can join us.

Bynum has developed into a really nice player. He has a little mean streak which I think will help him and only make him better. I think he just needs to mature and keep listening to Kareem and he will be one of the best big men in the game for many years to come.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Lets start with the wwrong:
Andrew Bogut is not going to be a hall of famer. Hes a good guy and sure its possible, but highly unlikely he will developer into a HOF talent.
Hes gonna be a solid center, not a star not what you'd want from a #1 pick but definitely not a bust either. Just a good player, double double.

Andrew Bynum:
Yeah hes the real deal. He's gonna be special. He's special now, he plays with fire and hes gonna be really good and he's only 20-21 and still filling out his body.
BUT, if we would have drafted him, we probably woulda screwed him up with the culture of this organization and the dysfunctional players.
He probably would not have been special with us, I have to believe part of the reason he is developing the way he is because of
Phil Jackson's coaching and playing with a guy like Kobe.

Ive been gone a while from the board and this is one of the things I've thought about.

killa--It's just entertainment buddy--I/we just want the Knicks to do better. Taking a 7 footer with soft hands good athletic ability agility with a 7-7 wingspan and nice frame doesnt take brain science at 9 in any draft. The Knicks have made some good late picks but just blew the most important one.

Bogut has been a huge disappointment. Find me a prospect who passed liked Sabonis had post moves like Kevin Mchale and rebounded like Tim Duncan and he's been frustratingly inconsistent somewhat soft physically and really nothing like the player at Utah.You still see signs of him being really good but he cant sustain the play and he is injured way too much. Usually a guy who is not overly athletic[like Tim Duncan] seem to stay away from the injury bug because they don't put so much force on their limbs from jumping but he's been soft for a young guy.

Isiah could draft but the circus was not condusive to developing ute.

Bynum would have been traded by now for instant help.

Isiah was right not to bring him into this atmosphere. I think he eluded to that at one point. Lets be real, we did not have 4 years to wait on the kid. Frye is no star, but maybe needs the right situation. He was doing well until he hurt his knee.

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by Nalod:


Isiah could draft but the circus was not condusive to developing ute.

Bynum would have been traded by now for instant help.

Isiah was right not to bring him into this atmosphere. I think he eluded to that at one point. Lets be real, we did not have 4 years to wait on the kid. Frye is no star, but maybe needs the right situation. He was doing well until he hurt his knee.

He could? I think Isiah's drafting is overrated.

Frye, Balkman, Collins: Complete busts.
Lee: Brendan Suhr and the staff convinced Isiah to take him. Isiah wanted Taft. Lee is not Isiah's doing. This is fact.
Chandler: Average role player right now, hardly a diamond in the rough, but room for improvement.
Nate: Decent player, room for improvement if he matures.

Isiah is 2-3-1 in drafting. 2 "wins" (nate, chandler), 3 "losses" (frye, balkman, collins), 1 "tie" (lee wasnt his choice)

Where's the legendary talent scouting in all of that? I just don't see it. Isiah was a failure at everything he did including drafting.

Drafts are a team effort. If Suhr convinced Isiah to take lee, and Isiah hired Suhr, then Isiah's name is on it. Lee is a near allstar at this moment in time.

Collins is doing very well in CLipper land. Somtimes its the situation. Reezy is solid and needed time. Balky is a role player at best. Nate is a good pick at 23. Frye was a complete player but did not develope enough and we ran out of patience. Frye on this squad with this system might do much better.

Chandler is still a work in progress. Very encouraging. If Isiah was still here he would be wasted behind bloated contracts.

I hate Isiah Thomas, and I am not holding his draft record as any great miricle work, but it was solid. All teams have more misses than its. Its part of the process. Its not the failures that matter but the few successes that count.

Posted by CrushAlot:

According to Berman Isiah is scouting for Walsh right now.

Berman just likes to stir things up. He knows the fans hate Isiah so he's going to write about him because he knows all the fans will read it. He's actually a pretty smart dude.

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by Nalod:


Isiah could draft but the circus was not condusive to developing ute.

Bynum would have been traded by now for instant help.

Isiah was right not to bring him into this atmosphere. I think he eluded to that at one point. Lets be real, we did not have 4 years to wait on the kid. Frye is no star, but maybe needs the right situation. He was doing well until he hurt his knee.

He could? I think Isiah's drafting is overrated.

Frye, Balkman, Collins: Complete busts.
Lee: Brendan Suhr and the staff convinced Isiah to take him. Isiah wanted Taft. Lee is not Isiah's doing. This is fact.
Chandler: Average role player right now, hardly a diamond in the rough, but room for improvement.
Nate: Decent player, room for improvement if he matures.

Isiah is 2-3-1 in drafting. 2 "wins" (nate, chandler), 3 "losses" (frye, balkman, collins), 1 "tie" (lee wasnt his choice)

Where's the legendary talent scouting in all of that? I just don't see it. Isiah was a failure at everything he did including drafting.

you left out ariza.

and i'd hardly say Balkman is a bust, he's a rotation player for a playoff lock. Collins is looking improved with time. Frye is the only real bust he drafted.

Every player that's picked is looked at by a scout and recommended or not. But it's the gm's decision. The gm gets credit or blame on the success of the pick. If some scout or assistant or friend of Isaiah's recommended Frye to him, that wouldn't get him off the hook for a bad choice - which was Isaiah's responsibility as gm.

Isiah's picks are incredibly overrated. In a few years when we look back, I don't think Isiah's draft history is going to be very impressive. You're going to see Lee, some bench players and some busts. Half the other GMs in the league have done that or better in similar spans.

C'mon man, BRIGGS is never wrong. Didn't you get the memo?