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djsunyc
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1/28/2009  11:15 AM
possibly collapsed lung and fracture rib:

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1/28/2009  11:45 AM


Suspension a-comin?
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1/28/2009  11:53 AM
This is a dirty foul that constituted in a 2 game suspension. Compare and contrast. the difference is Wallace might be hurt--otherwise it's not close.

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1/28/2009  12:09 PM
It was a dirty play Briggs. He clotheslined him when Wallace was high in the air. He might not have wrapped him around the neck, but it was still in that level. When you make a foul like that, the guy being fouled has a chance to get just about any kind of injury.
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1/28/2009  12:13 PM
Bynum clearly didn't go for the ball but I'm shocked that Wallace got so hurt. I think with really big guys like Bynum they need to be extra careful. He got him with his arm/elbow but it didn't seem like Bynum tried to cripple the guy with this foul. It doesn't seem like a dirty foul from watching it, but the resulting injuries will probably point to that opinion.

I'm not supporting what Bynum did, just a bit shocked at watching the video and seeing that led to a fractured rib and collapsed lung. Because of Bynums size he should be disciplined for this, probably for a while. I don't see how one can argue against the injuries and a very very severe suspension.

I showed my friend that (she doesn't know basketball) and she said he didn't go for the ball but that it was wrong. She was shocked and a bit sickened when I told her the injuries (you could hear his wheezing). She didn't think it was hard enough to cause those injuries, but again, Bynum is a big boy.

This is an unfortunate incident and now Bynum better watch his back and that knee of his cause seems like he creating a name for himself in the league as being a bit dirty.
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1/28/2009  12:17 PM
Bynum has done other things?
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1/28/2009  12:29 PM
damn, both guys are on my fantasy team.. I hope Wallace recovers
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1/28/2009  12:37 PM
I think what hurt Wallace was the elbo that Bynum put in his ribs. Bynum should #1 just went for the block. #2 put both his hand up in the air and forced Wallace to take a tough shot possibly even draw a charge. #3 just grabbed him.


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1/28/2009  12:38 PM
dude threw out his elbow first...it's irresponsible...
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1/28/2009  12:40 PM
That was a stupid, lazy, and sloppy foul by Bynum
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1/28/2009  12:40 PM
Bynum had a couple nasty borderline dirty fouls against the Spurs on Sunday, as well as last Monday vs the Cavs.

He's developing a bit of a reputation here...
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1/28/2009  12:53 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

dude threw out his elbow first...it's irresponsible...

irresponsible is the correct way to explain it...

nyk4ever is right about the game he mentioned. He seems to have a mean streak. Nobody retaliates in this league when they need to and the right way in this league. In football, the players would definately try to hit you back, in baseball the pitchers would head hunt, or they would just have a brawl....hockey just go to blows. The NBA players used to police themselves back in the day. Bynum woulda been eating the floor and catching arms to the throat the rest of the night if he did that to Starks....Oak woulda made sure of that.
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1/28/2009  1:10 PM
I agree that this doesn't look outlandishly dirty -- watch 3 random games and you'll see at least 1 or 2 fouls as bad -- but I don't think you divorce the act from its consequences when meting out punishment. I think he should sit as long as Wallace is out -- and w/o pay. If you commit a flagrant foul, you're taking a risk of hurting someone. If you do, you suffer serious consequences. If no one's hurt, well, you get punished, but it's not as severe. While the Oakley/Mason-style vigilante justice has its appeal, if I were running the league, I'd want to be the one cleaning this up and wouldn't want to leave it to the players.
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I agree that this doesn't look outlandishly dirty -- watch 3 random games and you'll see at least 1 or 2 fouls as bad -- but I don't think you divorce the act from its consequences when meting out punishment. I think he should sit as long as Wallace is out -- and w/o pay. If you commit a flagrant foul, you're taking a risk of hurting someone. If you do, you suffer serious consequences. If no one's hurt, well, you get punished, but it's not as severe. While the Oakley/Mason-style vigilante justice has its appeal, if I were running the league, I'd want to be the one cleaning this up and wouldn't want to leave it to the players.

Almost every game in college or pros a big man swings his elbows which could easily cause concussion broken noses etc.. this is pro sports--ever heard of Darryl Stingley or Jack Tatum? This is a cat fight compared to some plays in sports. It was a hard awkward foul. Is the foul worse than Raja Bell intentionally ripping Kobe's head off? No You run into a 285 pound player or he runs into you--you could get hurt. He was mandated early in the season to play tougher by Phil--Phil is old school. If he gets a game or even 2--he's going to have to live with it--more than 2 is ridiculous even if Wallace is out 2 months.
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1/28/2009  1:41 PM
I didn't see anything wrong with the foul. It was an unfortunate hard foul but this is basketball. It would be business as usual if XMan, Oak or Mase delivered that shot.

Question: Gallo's drive to the basket against the Rockets. He led with his knees up. Would you consider that a dirty play? I wouldn't. I play the same way. If I get called for an offensive then it is fine, I have 5 fouls to use. I guarantee the next time I drive no one is going to try to take a charge from me.

The Bynum foul is part of basketball. The no layup rule.
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1/28/2009  1:42 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:

I didn't see anything wrong with the foul. It was an unfortunate hard foul but this is basketball. It would be business as usual if XMan, Oak or Mase delivered that shot.

Question: Gallo's drive to the basket against the Rockets. He led with his knees up. Would you consider that a dirty play? I wouldn't. I play the same way. If I get called for an offensive then it is fine, I have 5 fouls to use. I guarantee the next time I drive no one is going to try to take a charge from me.

The Bynum foul is part of basketball. The no layup rule.

you're a dirty player and i don't know why those 14 year old girl scouts allow you to get away with it.
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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by NYKBocker:

I didn't see anything wrong with the foul. It was an unfortunate hard foul but this is basketball. It would be business as usual if XMan, Oak or Mase delivered that shot.

Question: Gallo's drive to the basket against the Rockets. He led with his knees up. Would you consider that a dirty play? I wouldn't. I play the same way. If I get called for an offensive then it is fine, I have 5 fouls to use. I guarantee the next time I drive no one is going to try to take a charge from me.

The Bynum foul is part of basketball. The no layup rule.

you're a dirty player and i don't know why those 14 year old girl scouts allow you to get away with it.

I grew up in the Philippines brothah. Over there, no blood no foul.
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1/28/2009  1:55 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by NYKBocker:

I didn't see anything wrong with the foul. It was an unfortunate hard foul but this is basketball. It would be business as usual if XMan, Oak or Mase delivered that shot.

Question: Gallo's drive to the basket against the Rockets. He led with his knees up. Would you consider that a dirty play? I wouldn't. I play the same way. If I get called for an offensive then it is fine, I have 5 fouls to use. I guarantee the next time I drive no one is going to try to take a charge from me.

The Bynum foul is part of basketball. The no layup rule.

you're a dirty player and i don't know why those 14 year old girl scouts allow you to get away with it.

I grew up in the Philippines brothah. Over there, no blood no foul.

And everywhere else, if you're not going for the ball, then it's dirty and shouldn't be done.
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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by bernard:

I agree that this doesn't look outlandishly dirty -- watch 3 random games and you'll see at least 1 or 2 fouls as bad -- but I don't think you divorce the act from its consequences when meting out punishment. I think he should sit as long as Wallace is out -- and w/o pay. If you commit a flagrant foul, you're taking a risk of hurting someone. If you do, you suffer serious consequences. If no one's hurt, well, you get punished, but it's not as severe. While the Oakley/Mason-style vigilante justice has its appeal, if I were running the league, I'd want to be the one cleaning this up and wouldn't want to leave it to the players.

Almost every game in college or pros a big man swings his elbows which could easily cause concussion broken noses etc.. this is pro sports--ever heard of Darryl Stingley or Jack Tatum? This is a cat fight compared to some plays in sports. It was a hard awkward foul. Is the foul worse than Raja Bell intentionally ripping Kobe's head off? No You run into a 285 pound player or he runs into you--you could get hurt. He was mandated early in the season to play tougher by Phil--Phil is old school. If he gets a game or even 2--he's going to have to live with it--more than 2 is ridiculous even if Wallace is out 2 months.

I'm not saying this foul was worse than many. But it was flagrant. He wasn't going for the ball. He didn't move his feet and just clotheslined the guy to prevent the layup. Didn't look like he was trying to injure, but it's not how I was taught to play the game, and, imo, it's crap to romantacize the guys who do anything to protect the hoop. Play the right way. And, because Wallace got unlucky, imo, so should Bynum. If it were a clean foul, and Wallace got injured, that's basketball. But it wasn't a clean foul. (By the way, I think Tatum should have been thrown out of the league for paralyzing Stingley with his cheap shot, especially given his history of dirty play.)

If you're driving drunk, you crash, and kill someone, you get charged with manslaughter. If you crash and no one's hurt, you get charged with drunk driving. Your behavior is the same, the consequences are different, so the punishment is different. Once you play outside the rules, you're taking your chances.
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1/28/2009  4:06 PM
Wallace was driving full blast and charging at Bynum. He didn't take the charge....he just threw his arms up not to protect himself....but it was more like a "man what the ****" type of deal. He didn't purposely go out to break the dudes ribs but he was wreckless with the fact that he didn't care what happened to Wallace. That's not basketball....that's being wrekless and irresponsible. You gotta respect the game. Yeah no lay-up rule.....but Oakley would body check you in the air or take the charge all day.....he would never point an elbow and a dude flying towards him at full speed. That's total disrespect of the game. I hope someone stepped up and told him about himself.

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