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1/18/2009  5:45 PM
Boozer was about 22-23 when he signed the Jazz offer sheet of 6yrs 68mil. Boozer that yr with Cleveland before he signed with Jazz put up 15.5pts 11.4rebs 2ast 52.3%.

Lee is 25 turning 26, he is averaging 15.3pts 11.4rebs 2.1ast 58.1%. With Lee being 3-4yrs older then Boozer at that time does he deserve less?

Drew Gooden signed a 3yr 23mil contract extention with the Cavs in a yr he averaged 10.4pts 8.4rebs. The yr before he put up 14.4pts 9.2rebs.

David West signed a frontloaded contract of around 5yrs 45mil. West was 25-26yrs old and averaged 17pts 7rebs.

Randolph signed a 6yr 84mil contract. Randolph was 22yrs old and averaged 18.9pts 9.6rebs. The yr before he averaged 20.1pts 10.5rebs.

Jaimison in 2001 signed a contract extention with Warriors for 6yrs 86mil. Jamison was 24yrs old and averaged 24.9pts 8.7rebs

Al Jefferson agreed to an extension of 5yrs 65mil. Jefferson was 22-23yrs old and averaged 21pts 12rebs 1.5blks. The yr before he averaged 16pts 11rebs 1.5blks

Amare Stoudemire agree to an extension of 5yrs 73mil. Amare was 22yrs old and averaged 26pts 9rebs the yr before. Was injured the yr of his contract extension.

Based off the market a lot of these guys set. Based off Lee's age of 26 as well as the fact that he is not a great offensive scorer as guys like Amare, Jefferson, West or even Boozer who got contracts 73mil, 65mil, 45mil, 68mil. I would say Lee should get a 5yr 45mil contract with 5-8mil in incentives. Or a 5yr 50mil contract with 5-8mil in incentives.
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1/18/2009  5:59 PM
Simple answer they all set the standard. D Lee will get paid nicely this summer. His financial security is not a problem.
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1/18/2009  6:21 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Simple answer they all set the standard. D Lee will get paid nicely this summer. His financial security is not a problem.

It could be argued though that he isn't as good as Boozer at that time period yet still 2-3yrs older. It also could be argued that he isn't as good as David West who got a 5yr 45mil deal.
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1/18/2009  7:01 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Simple answer they all set the standard. D Lee will get paid nicely this summer. His financial security is not a problem.

It could be argued though that he isn't as good as Boozer at that time period yet still 2-3yrs older. It also could be argued that he isn't as good as David West who got a 5yr 45mil deal.

But he's better than Zach, who got 6 and $84 mil.
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1/18/2009  9:02 PM
Player is like a stock on the exchange. He gets his money based on the demand/supply basis.
Nobody cares what was before and who get what. If NY will not freezh him with contract now he will be auctioned like good racing horse. And on auction...well... anything can happen.


[Edited by - arkrud on 01-18-2009 9:03 PM]

[Edited by - arkrud on 01-18-2009 9:03 PM]
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1/18/2009  9:06 PM
Well, Allan Houston did get $100 million, so anything is possible.

But I think David West money is similar to the ballpark we're looking at, unless the Knicks bid against themselves like they did with Houston.
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1/18/2009  9:11 PM
That is a good comparison. I believe Boozer was a second round pick who blew up in Cleveland. Lee might have been a lottery pick out of high school but after four solid years at Florida he no longer was seen as the guy with unkown potential and tremendous upside. Lee will get paid well. In addition to being very good he has tremendous character.
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1/18/2009  9:17 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Simple answer they all set the standard. D Lee will get paid nicely this summer. His financial security is not a problem.

It could be argued though that he isn't as good as Boozer at that time period yet still 2-3yrs older. It also could be argued that he isn't as good as David West who got a 5yr 45mil deal.


But he's better than Zach, who got 6 and $84 mil.

Randolph was 22 and averaged over 20pts 10rebs. Lee is 25 turning 26 he is not viewed as the same talent as Randolph or Jamison or Stoude, as he is not a young as them and is not considerd the scorers they were. They all were also considerd franchise players at that point.
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1/18/2009  9:22 PM
Posted by arkrud:

Player is like a stock on the exchange. He gets his money based on the demand/supply basis.
Nobody cares what was before and who get what. If NY will not freezh him with contract now he will be auctioned like good racing horse. And on auction...well... anything can happen.


[Edited by - arkrud on 01-18-2009 9:03 PM]

[Edited by - arkrud on 01-18-2009 9:03 PM]

As Fish pointed out a while ago there is no real market for Lee because nobody has cap space this offseason baring any trades during the offseason that clears cap space for a team. Lee would have to be moved via S&T.

Since there is no real market for Lee when negotiating his contract its going to have to end up being based on past PFs such as Boozer & West.
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1/18/2009  9:25 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Simple answer they all set the standard. D Lee will get paid nicely this summer. His financial security is not a problem.

It could be argued though that he isn't as good as Boozer at that time period yet still 2-3yrs older. It also could be argued that he isn't as good as David West who got a 5yr 45mil deal.


But he's better than Zach, who got 6 and $84 mil.

Randolph was 22 and averaged over 20pts 10rebs. Lee is 25 turning 26 he is not viewed as the same talent as Randolph or Jamison or Stoude, as he is not a young as them and is not considered the scorers they were. They all were also considerd franchise players at that point.

For crying out loud--you think 25-26 is old? The guy is just hitting his prime and getting better.
I don't know how were going to keep to the scenario where we can pay Lee and have the room for a FA because NO team is taking Curry off of our hands UNLESS we get a high pick and give it up. And just think about giving up a high draft pick--there is HUGE risk associated with that. The bottom line is David is worth ATLEAST 60MM now and his numbers since the Zach trade---18-13.5 could mean 6 yeasr 72mm/ The guy could be the premiere FA this summer.
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1/18/2009  9:30 PM
This is like Groundhog Day. Don't we have enough threads dedicated to how much Lee is or isn't going to make? Everyone keeps saying the same exact thing in 5 different threads.
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1/18/2009  9:32 PM
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As always, it depends on how much we sign him for. If we overpay Lee, then obviously, it reduces our flexibility, since I think many here would like to keep not just Lee, but also Duhon, Nate, Harrington, etc...
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1/18/2009  9:36 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Simple answer they all set the standard. D Lee will get paid nicely this summer. His financial security is not a problem.

It could be argued though that he isn't as good as Boozer at that time period yet still 2-3yrs older. It also could be argued that he isn't as good as David West who got a 5yr 45mil deal.


But he's better than Zach, who got 6 and $84 mil.

Randolph was 22 and averaged over 20pts 10rebs. Lee is 25 turning 26 he is not viewed as the same talent as Randolph or Jamison or Stoude, as he is not a young as them and is not considered the scorers they were. They all were also considerd franchise players at that point.

For crying out loud--you think 25-26 is old? The guy is just hitting his prime and getting better.
I don't know how were going to keep to the scenario where we can pay Lee and have the room for a FA because NO team is taking Curry off of our hands UNLESS we get a high pick and give it up. And just think about giving up a high draft pick--there is HUGE risk associated with that. The bottom line is David is worth ATLEAST 60MM now and his numbers since the Zach trade---18-13.5 could mean 6 yeasr 72mm/ The guy could be the premiere FA this summer.

I didn't say Lee 25-26 is old, I said that Randolph was 22 and already putting up 20+pts 10+rebs which is why he got a 80+mil contract.

Al Jefferson got a 5yr 65mil contract, West got a 5yr 45mil contract.
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1/18/2009  9:42 PM
and just think itr was a wise move not give Lee 5/40 this summer.
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Posted by King1:

and just think itr was a wise move not give Lee 5/40 this summer.


Seriously, just offer him $3 million more and ask Lebron to take $3 million less because we all know he is coming to NY anyway. Besides, Lebron can afford it with that Nike clause.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 01-18-2009 10:41 PM]
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Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by King1:

and just think itr was a wise move not give Lee 5/40 this summer.


Seriously, just offer him $3 million more and ask Lebron to take $3 million less because we all know he is coming to NY anyway. Besides, Lebron can afford it with that Nike clause.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 01-18-2009 10:41 PM]

what are u talking about? all we have to do is re-sign D Lee... that's gonna attract every major FA to come to NY from here til the year 2028.
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