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Cosmic
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David lee is getting better right before our eyes. Everything I brought up about why Lee might be traded he's started doing those things that would require him to stay and get paid: Jump shot and better defense. In 18 months maybe Lee is a bonafide starter on ANY team. If he is and we pay him good and then we attract 1 max FA and one very solid FA and you got a good trio - with guys like Chandler and Gallo and Duhon potentially there as well as a good supporting cast. Thoughts?
He's a keeper, pay the man, he's a star.
Let him test the market, if he walks, he walks, or we match an offer sheet.
It's just too eary to tell.
Not good enough for the money he will want, trade him now.
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Ira
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1/15/2009  7:16 PM
We should keep the guy. He'll be an important supporting starter on a winning team, if we can get
1) A go to guy - maybe at shooting guard.
2) A good defensive center.
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1/15/2009  7:21 PM
I was thinking the same thing. If lee keeps getting better, we can get 1 max FA and another solid player to add to lee, chandler and gallo
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1/15/2009  7:23 PM
I say let him test the market... I don't want another Allan Houston situation part II, where the team is expected to pay a premium because of his tenure.

Good business know how to exploit market inefficiencies. The Knicks ownership is one of the only ownership groups that will pay big bucks. Why not see what everyone else can do and beat it? I mean, times are tough.

I do think LeBron and Lee is a great little one-two, because of how active both are. Add a guy like Mike Miller, keep Duhon, draft a big the team is in business...

BUT, I would almost prefer to sign an elite UFA, draft Curry, trade Lee for a top pick and a young guy, have Chandler be the starting PF and still have enough cash available to sign a second big-time UFA. Obviously this scenario is riskier, but **** it
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1/15/2009  7:37 PM
Does something like Lee for Felton and Charlotte's first next year have a chance of happening? Or what about Lee to Utah for our pick back plus one of their young guys? They'll probably get rid of Boozer and might let Millsap walk... Williams + Lee + AK47 might look nice. Not to mention its Utah and Lee fits the demographic
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1/15/2009  7:55 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

I say let him test the market... I don't want another Allan Houston situation part II, where the team is expected to pay a premium because of his tenure.

Good business know how to exploit market inefficiencies. The Knicks ownership is one of the only ownership groups that will pay big bucks. Why not see what everyone else can do and beat it? I mean, times are tough.

I do think LeBron and Lee is a great little one-two, because of how active both are. Add a guy like Mike Miller, keep Duhon, draft a big the team is in business...

BUT, I would almost prefer to sign an elite UFA, draft Curry, trade Lee for a top pick and a young guy, have Chandler be the starting PF and still have enough cash available to sign a second big-time UFA. Obviously this scenario is riskier, but **** it

This is the best approach.

Look there isn't going to be much room to sign Lebron as people think there will be unless we unload Curry. Lebron will command $17mil in salary at a minimum. You add Lee's probable market value of $9mil projected that's $26mil by $2010. You add Curry's $11mil that's $37mil. Add Effries near $7mil that's $44mil add Gallo and Chan's combined Team Option salary of $5.5mil, that's $49.5mil. The cap probably at best won't go past $60mil by 2010 because it's believed to drop this coming summer. This means we're looking at a potential cap of $49.5mil on the books, with us having to renounce all of our FA. If we renounce them they can only be resigned with available cap space. If we don't renounce them their cap hits are usually 105-120%(ball parking here) of the previous yr's salary. This guarantees Harrington, Q, James, Thomas are getting renounced. At best I see $10mil to play with, yet the players we want besides Lebron are Max Players(at least they think they are or the opinion is as such) Bosh, Joe Johnson, Amare, Wade, Dirk, Ray Allen. None of them will sign for less than $10mil. This also means we would have to either let Nate walk or trade for no salary coming back past 2010. We have no point guard if we renounce Duhon. Now our FA's can be resigned going over the cap but once again if this is done then their previous yrs salary is included in the 2010 cap at 105-120%. We'll have no MLE because this also has to be renounced in order to make as much cap room available. We'll only have the LLE and VME to sign other FA(including our own). If we don't win next yr Utah says thank U and we're winning too much this yr. Big mistake trashing Curry and Marbury this yr because we closed the book on trading them this season.

Something must be done with Effries and or Curry via trades, or we have to hope they both opt out.

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 01-15-2009 7:56 PM]
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1/15/2009  7:55 PM
I say its too early to tell but not his talent, the market and his asking price. We can all agree that signing him to 8 million is reasonable and may not be a bad option for a guy that is proving to be a keeper. Now, It may depend on the Knicks accomplishing some cap-clearing trades, specifically Jeffries and Curry.

Curry is untradeable now, but its still not february. Jeffries is actually playing solid enough to have some value out there. We find a way to clear space and this Lee situation becomes as easy as 1,2 and 3.


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1/15/2009  7:59 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:

I say its too early to tell but not his talent, the market and his asking price. We can all agree that signing him to 8 million is reasonable and may not be a bad option for a guy that is proving to be a keeper. Now, It may depend on the Knicks accomplishing some cap-clearing trades, specifically Jeffries and Curry.

Curry is untradeable now, but its still not february. Jeffries is actually playing solid enough to have some value out there. We find a way to clear space and this Lee situation becomes as easy as 1,2 and 3.




I don't see anybody helping us out knowing what our situation is. If you're a GM even if you like Effries game, do you trade for him knowing it would help the Knicks have a chance not only to land Lebron and possibly another big star.

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1/15/2009  8:02 PM
forget all about "starter on any team", "role player" or all that label stuff.

he's young. he's putting up sick #'s. his coach loves him. he's a fan favorite. why would any gm NOT re-sign him? if you trae him, you better get PROVEN young players (that you'll eventually have to sign anyway) otherwise it would be stupid to get rid of him (even if you're getting #1 picks).

the two max players thing is a pipe dream. be happy to get 1. it will still take 2-3 years to build a contending team after that anyway unless chandler/rooster become studs.
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1/15/2009  8:06 PM
Why not to let market set his price?
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1/15/2009  8:08 PM
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by Knicksfan:

I say its too early to tell but not his talent, the market and his asking price. We can all agree that signing him to 8 million is reasonable and may not be a bad option for a guy that is proving to be a keeper. Now, It may depend on the Knicks accomplishing some cap-clearing trades, specifically Jeffries and Curry.

Curry is untradeable now, but its still not february. Jeffries is actually playing solid enough to have some value out there. We find a way to clear space and this Lee situation becomes as easy as 1,2 and 3.




I don't see anybody helping us out knowing what our situation is. If you're a GM even if you like Effries game, do you trade for him knowing it would help the Knicks have a chance not only to land Lebron and possibly another big star.

I don't think many GM's operate that way, blocking trades that may help their team now because it may pave the way for the other team to get significantly stronger down the road. If they see the trade positive for them and their aspirations, they will consider it. Many teams have done it before and have been successful.

And they all know that nothing is for granted in terms of signing free agents. The odds are against the Knicks no matter how the media and fans paint it otherwise.

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1/15/2009  8:15 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

forget all about "starter on any team", "role player" or all that label stuff.

he's young. he's putting up sick #'s. his coach loves him. he's a fan favorite. why would any gm NOT re-sign him? if you trae him, you better get PROVEN young players (that you'll eventually have to sign anyway) otherwise it would be stupid to get rid of him (even if you're getting #1 picks).

the two max players thing is a pipe dream. be happy to get 1. it will still take 2-3 years to build a contending team after that anyway unless chandler/rooster become studs.


Trading him for picks wouldn't be a bad thing. Let's say you trade Lee for 2 first round picks in the Top 20 and one of them being in the Top 10. Minny has 2 picks right now in the Top 20(17 and 18). Going by this scenario if one of the picks could be Top 10 how would it sound if we had D.J Augustin pick 9 and Javele Mcgee pick 18(caliber players) on the roster at a cheaper salary than Lee come 2010 by about half(D.J plus Javele 2010 combined salary $4.2mil) his projected market value?

Cap Space goes from $10mil to almost $15mil by making this kind of move. We have to think outside the box folks.

Lee has to be traded at the deadline otherwise don't even think about trying to to do a S&T over the summer because we won't get the same value back. Lee can't be traded on draft day it will have to happen after July 1rst as long as we tender him the QO.
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1/15/2009  8:16 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by Knicksfan:

I say its too early to tell but not his talent, the market and his asking price. We can all agree that signing him to 8 million is reasonable and may not be a bad option for a guy that is proving to be a keeper. Now, It may depend on the Knicks accomplishing some cap-clearing trades, specifically Jeffries and Curry.

Curry is untradeable now, but its still not february. Jeffries is actually playing solid enough to have some value out there. We find a way to clear space and this Lee situation becomes as easy as 1,2 and 3.




I don't see anybody helping us out knowing what our situation is. If you're a GM even if you like Effries game, do you trade for him knowing it would help the Knicks have a chance not only to land Lebron and possibly another big star.

I don't think many GM's operate that way, blocking trades that may help their team now because it may pave the way for the other team to get significantly stronger down the road.



That's not blocking a trade. It called I'm not helping you get cap space for 2010 to compete with our club.
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1/15/2009  11:31 PM
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1/16/2009  12:57 AM
If we can get a GREAT trade offer for Lee, I take that and save our cap for 2010. If teams do not come through with a great offer, then I offer Lee $7.5 million a season for 4-5 years and tell him we want him but we cannot afford to overpay him. If he can get a better offer on the open market, then go ahead and we will decide if we can match it. The thing is Walsh may need to make a decision now one way or the other. If you keep Lee, then you probably need to trade Nate and that would mostly likely need to be done before the trade deadline.
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1/16/2009  1:18 AM
He's very good. He's worth $10 mil. a year. He'll wind up getting $10 mi. a year. I just don't know if it's in our best interest to pay him that kind of money.
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1/16/2009  8:19 AM
I'm for holding Lee. Not only is he a good player but he also is a great complement to a Star player. Lee's positives and intangibles:

1. Great team player - doesn't need to hog the ball or shoot a lot like many stars.
2. Smart player
3. Keeps developing his game, growing, working on shot, etc.
4. tough under the boards - not soft.
5. Excellent oncourt leader
6. Excellent locker room presence

If we trade Lee for a 1st round pick, it may look good on paper, but it is a gamble. Who knows what we will really get with that pick. And even if he turns out good, it may take a few years for that player to develop. In 2010, to sign LBJ or whomever, we have to have a solid team and have a chance to win in the near future. Not years later. Lee is a sure thing. Every other team wants Lee when they talk trade with the Knicks. Well, isn't that a big clue that we should want him.....and keep him. (unless they blow us out of the water with an incredible deal.....but it has been the other way around. Lowball offers to us.)

Keep Lee and be happy we have our own home-grown semi-star.


[Edited by - markji on 01-16-2009 07:20 AM]
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1/16/2009  9:25 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

forget all about "starter on any team", "role player" or all that label stuff.

he's young. he's putting up sick #'s. his coach loves him. he's a fan favorite. why would any gm NOT re-sign him? if you trae him, you better get PROVEN young players (that you'll eventually have to sign anyway) otherwise it would be stupid to get rid of him (even if you're getting #1 picks).

the two max players thing is a pipe dream. be happy to get 1. it will still take 2-3 years to build a contending team after that anyway unless chandler/rooster become studs.

Because he sucks. Now send his ass to Utah where he belongs.
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1/16/2009  10:01 AM
Posted by Finestrg:

He's very good. He's worth $10 mil. a year. He'll wind up getting $10 mi. a year. I just don't know if it's in our best interest to pay him that kind of money.

It's borderline right now but he seems to be once again improving - and improving those areas of concern.

So if that continues he will certainly be considered a 2nd tier FA/Star. Now, we don't have to land 2 max FAs but if we don't we definitely need at least 1 MAX, and then 2 very good 2nd tier FA/Stars. If David Lee plays his way into being 1 of those very good 2nd tier FAs, we land LeBron (again, a dream, but good for discussion here), then we land a Joe Johnson (again, a 2nd tier FA/Star). Wouldn't we be in good shape?

I think that's how you approach keeping Lee when considering what type of team it would force you to build with the money you have available.

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1/16/2009  10:18 AM
I'd ask Lebron what he thinks.
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1/16/2009  10:18 AM
I was uber pissed when Lee supposedly cost us Mayo and at the time I said he had to have a hell of a season to justify what I saw as arrogance. Well he has. I`d keep him.
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