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buddapaw
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1/11/2009  10:50 PM
2010 is all you ever hear about, here is a big what if. What if no great star signs with the Knicks? What do we do then? Why the **** can't we build through the draft? For years we have never developed any players, we always go after free agents who always suck as soon as they put on a Knick jersey. Why can't just get it through our frickin head that it doesn't work for us. Do you guys remember when Jordan was approaching free agency we had the money we had Ewing and he still didn't come to the Knicks. Who the **** do we have now to entice these big free agents to come to the Knicks? Please do tell cause I don't see anyone on this roster to say otherwise. Y'all can keep the faith with the Walsh's mumbo jumbo about acquiring talent and 2010, I other hand will not put my heart in this franchise anymore!
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1/11/2009  10:53 PM
who says they are giving up on the draft route for rebuilding if they can't get the guys they want?
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1/11/2009  10:53 PM
Its almost an impossibility for the Knicks to not land an impact player with the cap space they'll have and the sheer amount of impact players available.

But if they really come up empty, they'll have something precious that they haven't had since this CBA existed. Roster flexibility. There will be more players available in 2011. And since they'll be under the cap, they'll be able to make trades without salary matching.

It was pretty much the only chance they had to turn this roster around. Continuing to bandage this with bad trades has already proven to be the incorrect strategy, time and time again.
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1/11/2009  11:01 PM
To have dog happy you need to give the dog a bone.
To keep funs happy you need to give them some close enough time when their team will win big.
So they created 2010. Coll looking number with long list of cool FA names...
So fans can bite this bone and drag it across Internet boards for a while.
Thank You man for making this bone even bigger by creating this thread.
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BasketballJones
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1/11/2009  11:14 PM
Posted by arkrud:

To have dog happy you need to give the dog a bone.
To keep funs happy you need to give them some close enough time when their team will win big.
So they created 2010. Coll looking number with long list of cool FA names...
So fans can bite this bone and drag it across Internet boards for a while.
Thank You man for making this bone even bigger by creating this thread.

lol
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nyk4ever
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1/11/2009  11:18 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Its almost an impossibility for the Knicks to not land an impact player with the cap space they'll have and the sheer amount of impact players available.

But if they really come up empty, they'll have something precious that they haven't had since this CBA existed. Roster flexibility. There will be more players available in 2011. And since they'll be under the cap, they'll be able to make trades without salary matching.

It was pretty much the only chance they had to turn this roster around. Continuing to bandage this with bad trades has already proven to be the incorrect strategy, time and time again.

+1 good post Des.
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nyk4ever
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1/11/2009  11:19 PM
Posted by arkrud:

To have dog happy you need to give the dog a bone.
To keep funs happy you need to give them some close enough time when their team will win big.
So they created 2010. Coll looking number with long list of cool FA names...
So fans can bite this bone and drag it across Internet boards for a while.
Thank You man for making this bone even bigger by creating this thread.

LOL akrud. That is genius.
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islesfan
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1/11/2009  11:24 PM
Posted by buddapaw:

2010 is all you ever hear about, here is a big what if. What if no great star signs with the Knicks? What do we do then? Why the **** can't we build through the draft? For years we have never developed any players, we always go after free agents who always suck as soon as they put on a Knick jersey. Why can't just get it through our frickin head that it doesn't work for us. Do you guys remember when Jordan was approaching free agency we had the money we had Ewing and he still didn't come to the Knicks. Who the **** do we have now to entice these big free agents to come to the Knicks? Please do tell cause I don't see anyone on this roster to say otherwise. Y'all can keep the faith with the Walsh's mumbo jumbo about acquiring talent and 2010, I other hand will not put my heart in this franchise anymore!

The correct answer is that they should be doing both. As Donnie Walsh said about their lottery pick last year, they can't afford to screw it up. That's why their selection of Il Bustino is such a big blow to the organization and why I have much less faith in Walsh to make the right choice in the coming draft. They better have such a high pick that it's a no brainer on who they have to take.

Last year's lottery pick, this year's pick and any picks that Walsh can acquire in his 3 drafts before 2010 free agency has as much to do with the direction of this franchise as what free agents they're able to sign. Based on what Walsh has done so far, they've failed miserably. Il Bustino plus no other draft picks acquired is a ridiculously bad start.
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arkrud
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1/11/2009  11:35 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by buddapaw:

2010 is all you ever hear about, here is a big what if. What if no great star signs with the Knicks? What do we do then? Why the **** can't we build through the draft? For years we have never developed any players, we always go after free agents who always suck as soon as they put on a Knick jersey. Why can't just get it through our frickin head that it doesn't work for us. Do you guys remember when Jordan was approaching free agency we had the money we had Ewing and he still didn't come to the Knicks. Who the **** do we have now to entice these big free agents to come to the Knicks? Please do tell cause I don't see anyone on this roster to say otherwise. Y'all can keep the faith with the Walsh's mumbo jumbo about acquiring talent and 2010, I other hand will not put my heart in this franchise anymore!

The correct answer is that they should be doing both. As Donnie Walsh said about their lottery pick last year, they can't afford to screw it up. That's why their selection of Il Bustino is such a big blow to the organization and why I have much less faith in Walsh to make the right choice in the coming draft. They better have such a high pick that it's a no brainer on who they have to take.

Last year's lottery pick, this year's pick and any picks that Walsh can acquire in his 3 drafts before 2010 free agency has as much to do with the direction of this franchise as what free agents they're able to sign. Based on what Walsh has done so far, they've failed miserably. Il Bustino plus no other draft picks acquired is a ridiculously bad start.

You can be right about Galo but watch out... If he will come back strong you up to be busted. You are smarter that putting all you eggs (2?) in one Galo-bust basket.
We had no material to get picks and we do not have now. you know this and this is not Walsh of Mike fault. You know who is the guy responsible..

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1/11/2009  11:44 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by buddapaw:

2010 is all you ever hear about, here is a big what if. What if no great star signs with the Knicks? What do we do then? Why the **** can't we build through the draft? For years we have never developed any players, we always go after free agents who always suck as soon as they put on a Knick jersey. Why can't just get it through our frickin head that it doesn't work for us. Do you guys remember when Jordan was approaching free agency we had the money we had Ewing and he still didn't come to the Knicks. Who the **** do we have now to entice these big free agents to come to the Knicks? Please do tell cause I don't see anyone on this roster to say otherwise. Y'all can keep the faith with the Walsh's mumbo jumbo about acquiring talent and 2010, I other hand will not put my heart in this franchise anymore!

The correct answer is that they should be doing both. As Donnie Walsh said about their lottery pick last year, they can't afford to screw it up. That's why their selection of Il Bustino is such a big blow to the organization and why I have much less faith in Walsh to make the right choice in the coming draft. They better have such a high pick that it's a no brainer on who they have to take.

Last year's lottery pick, this year's pick and any picks that Walsh can acquire in his 3 drafts before 2010 free agency has as much to do with the direction of this franchise as what free agents they're able to sign. Based on what Walsh has done so far, they've failed miserably. Il Bustino plus no other draft picks acquired is a ridiculously bad start.

You can be right about Galo but watch out... If he will come back strong you up to be busted. You are smarter that putting all you eggs (2?) in one Galo-bust basket.
We had no material to get picks and we do not have now. you know this and this is not Walsh of Mike fault. You know who is the guy responsible..

Put the drink down. Walsh and Mikey selected #6 in what many draftnicks call one of the deepest drafts. If Walsh selected the son of Jonathan Bender that is all on him. Atleast we can forgive D'Antoni because he doesn't have a clue what drafting is all about. I am waiting to hear how this organization is going to sell it's pick to save some cap space.
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TMS
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1/12/2009  12:00 AM
i musta missed the news of the trade where Donnie gave away our draft pick this year.
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arkrud
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1/12/2009  12:09 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by buddapaw:

2010 is all you ever hear about, here is a big what if. What if no great star signs with the Knicks? What do we do then? Why the **** can't we build through the draft? For years we have never developed any players, we always go after free agents who always suck as soon as they put on a Knick jersey. Why can't just get it through our frickin head that it doesn't work for us. Do you guys remember when Jordan was approaching free agency we had the money we had Ewing and he still didn't come to the Knicks. Who the **** do we have now to entice these big free agents to come to the Knicks? Please do tell cause I don't see anyone on this roster to say otherwise. Y'all can keep the faith with the Walsh's mumbo jumbo about acquiring talent and 2010, I other hand will not put my heart in this franchise anymore!

The correct answer is that they should be doing both. As Donnie Walsh said about their lottery pick last year, they can't afford to screw it up. That's why their selection of Il Bustino is such a big blow to the organization and why I have much less faith in Walsh to make the right choice in the coming draft. They better have such a high pick that it's a no brainer on who they have to take.

Last year's lottery pick, this year's pick and any picks that Walsh can acquire in his 3 drafts before 2010 free agency has as much to do with the direction of this franchise as what free agents they're able to sign. Based on what Walsh has done so far, they've failed miserably. Il Bustino plus no other draft picks acquired is a ridiculously bad start.

You can be right about Galo but watch out... If he will come back strong you up to be busted. You are smarter that putting all you eggs (2?) in one Galo-bust basket.
We had no material to get picks and we do not have now. you know this and this is not Walsh of Mike fault. You know who is the guy responsible..

Put the drink down. Walsh and Mikey selected #6 in what many draftnicks call one of the deepest drafts. If Walsh selected the son of Jonathan Bender that is all on him. Atleast we can forgive D'Antoni because he doesn't have a clue what drafting is all about. I am waiting to hear how this organization is going to sell it's pick to save some cap space.

No probs...I already have another drink ready.
You and Isles were warned about Galo!!!
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1/12/2009  12:15 AM
I agree with the initial post. With that, can we please have some more picks where we give up four draft picks for El Fatso, trades so that we can have 1/3 of the team with a criminal record, and guys who never heard of the assist stat? It's been too boring around here, so please more trades where we can have two or three overpaid "stars" who all play the same position and the more they whine and kill team chemistry the better. Plus, I really miss having a $110 million cap! God, I miss the Isiah era!!!

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1/12/2009  12:18 AM
Posted by TMS:

i musta missed the news of the trade where Donnie gave away our draft pick this year.

They would have been better off it he had. At least they wouldn't have gotten another gimp in return.
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1/12/2009  12:36 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:

i musta missed the news of the trade where Donnie gave away our draft pick this year.

They would have been better off it he had. At least they wouldn't have gotten another gimp in return.

would we be so much better off w/another undersized PG who's put up worse stats than Anthony Roberson this season like most of the posters around here wanted?
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1/12/2009  12:39 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:

i musta missed the news of the trade where Donnie gave away our draft pick this year.

They would have been better off it he had. At least they wouldn't have gotten another gimp in return.

would we be so much better off w/another undersized PG who's put up worse stats than Anthony Roberson this season like most of the posters around here wanted?

If Walsh can't do better than the average poster on this board, they might as well lock him up in a retirement home now and get a more informed GM in here pronto.
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1/12/2009  12:44 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:

i musta missed the news of the trade where Donnie gave away our draft pick this year.

They would have been better off it he had. At least they wouldn't have gotten another gimp in return.

would we be so much better off w/another undersized PG who's put up worse stats than Anthony Roberson this season like most of the posters around here wanted?

If Walsh can't do better than the average poster on this board, they might as well lock him up in a retirement home now and get a more informed GM in here pronto.

until we see if Gallo has talent it's too early to reach such conclusions.
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1/12/2009  9:50 AM
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1/12/2009  10:00 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

UltimateKnicks: "where people go to be angry"

Yah damn skippy

I'm just saying we've been down this road so many times before, here are a few of the great trades and free agent pickups:
Houston - $100m man
LJ even though great, was not what he use to be
The great Charles Smith
Tony Cmapbell
D. Harper
R. Blackmon
Spreewell - still feeding his family
Chris 'bitchslap Kobe' Childs

When was the last time we drafted an impact player? Hmmm let me see, Ewing. It's been a long wait here in Gotham.
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