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The High Anxiety Over Lee Staying Was A Fun Exercise - But Wait, He Isn't Going Anywhere
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misterearl
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1/10/2009  9:36 AM
"Unless someone blows them away with a trade," one source said, "[Lee] was told the preference is to sign him to a long-term extension."

Nate, on the other hand, is another story.
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1/10/2009  10:01 AM
The core Knicks are being graded by Donnie Walsh in his road trip critique. Here are the ones that pass GO and collect $200.


1. Lee, playing alongside a legit center, would be even better

2. Chris Duhon's lungs are learning what 48 minutes feels like

3. The Mayor is gradually calibrating his shot selection

4. Al Harrington needs to stop playing like Dominique Wilkins

5. Gallinari - incomplete, but at least he's on the court.

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1/10/2009  1:26 PM
If the KNicks sign Lee you can kiss 2010 good bye. Walsh is putting to much into Lee he is an OK player but give me cap space over him any day.
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1/10/2009  1:47 PM
Posted by Vmart:

If the KNicks sign Lee you can kiss 2010 good bye. Walsh is putting to much into Lee he is an OK player but give me cap space over him any day.

I dont disagree but if by some miracle we can package Curry and say Nate....then we can afford Lee. I think Lee is a really nice piece to have when your putting together a contender. Now if we can't move Curry, then Walsh has a tough call on his hands.
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1/10/2009  2:58 PM
First off, lol... http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=29703

Secondly, you're basing your extreme optimism and desire to take anyone to task who talked about how maybe we couldn't afford to keep Lee - ON A SPECULATIVE ARTICLE.
We reported today that there is reason to believe that Donnie Walsh seems to be more in favor of trying to keep David Lee rather than shop the pending restricted free agent before the trade deadline.

"Reason to Believe"

"Seems to be"

"of trying to"


If a good offer is not there then Walsh will not trade him this deadline. That's a simple no-brainer no matter what.

Then until June there's nothing to discuss because we could still package him in a trade during the draft after we make our pick with a team that picks later (with them initiating the trade).

After that there's mid-july where we can either negotiate an extension or see if he takes the QO if we have other plans.

But, no, instead lets go on a hunt to take everyone to task as if it's already mid-july and Lee is re-signed to an extension.

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1/10/2009  3:09 PM
Posted by Vmart:

If the KNicks sign Lee you can kiss 2010 good bye. Walsh is putting to much into Lee he is an OK player but give me cap space over him any day.

Are you sure? Fish has posted a number of times explaining that we can re-sign Lee and still have room for a max contract FA. How are you calculating the 2010 payroll?
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1/10/2009  3:51 PM
Kiss 2010 Hello

VMart - Walsh has not investing anything into Lee so far. I trust that his financial advisors are studying the economic trends and will gauge effectively what the Knicks will be able to afford via the free agent market.

My sense is that by 2010, the economic landscape of the NBA (with declining revenue) will be different that what franchises face today. Bonn makes a valid point about the calculations.


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1/10/2009  6:05 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by Vmart:

If the KNicks sign Lee you can kiss 2010 good bye. Walsh is putting to much into Lee he is an OK player but give me cap space over him any day.

I dont disagree but if by some miracle we can package Curry and say Nate....then we can afford Lee. I think Lee is a really nice piece to have when your putting together a contender. Now if we can't move Curry, then Walsh has a tough call on his hands.

I have great difficulty understanding why Lee is such a HUGE key to the Knicks having cap space?

Coming off the books after 2008-09 season:
Stephon Marbury $21 million
Malik Rose $7.6 million
Total: 28.6 million

Sign 2 players, one year contracts each


Coming off the books after 2009-10 season:
Harrington 10 million
Mobley 9.5 million
Q 9.3 million
Jerome 6.6 million
Tim 6.4 million
Duhon 6 million
Gallinari 3 million
Nate 2.9 million
Lee 2.6 million
Chandler 1.2 million
Roberson 800 thousand

Total: $58.3 million

Grand total: $86.9 million dollars of potential open money


The two difficult tasks is trading Curry's 11.2 million dollar contract and Jeffries 6.6 million dollar contract, because they both end in 2010-11.

If you add those totals onto the grand total of potential cap space money it comes up into the neighborhood of something like $104.7 million. If that' doesn't give Walsh flexibility then I don't know what will.

Walsh has been lining up these contracts. By signing Duhon, Roberson, Harrington, Mobley and Tim to end after next season is true to his word to make cap space. So this has no baring on wether Lee is signed or not. He's certainly not worth 10 or more million a year. I think the highest he'll go is 9, if even. And like many people have already said (and been pushing), including a writer who has an inside word, Lee's not going to be a Knick anyway, so why worry either way?

In the end, Walsh should go after the big boys first, get them signed and then' make offers to players Walsh and D'Antoni still want on this team. Because once you fill the big money, each players agent will be able to see what kind of money you have left over. And they won't be asking for a whole lot by then.


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1/10/2009  6:07 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Kiss 2010 Hello


My sense is that by 2010, the economic landscape of the NBA (with declining revenue) will be different that what franchises face today. Bonn makes a valid point about the calculations.

Very interesting view. That could' be why Lebron may' choose to sign 'a contract' sooner rather than later. Hence Cleveland.

Not to mention, Cleveland does have a shot at winning the whole thing now. What Lebron's been hoping for.


[Edited by - 4949 on 01-10-2009 6:08 PM]
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1/10/2009  7:59 PM
Posted by misterearl:

"Unless someone blows them away with a trade," one source said, "[Lee] was told the preference is to sign him to a long-term extension."

Nate, on the other hand, is another story.

that's not exactly a definitive reliable source on the D Lee issue... u mine as well have gotten that quote from King1... the big rumors were that Donnie Walsh was trying to trade D Lee on draft night last year, & this season all you've been hearing are trade rumors involving D Lee going to other teams.
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1/10/2009  8:21 PM
"Believe half of what you see... and none of what you hear"

Definitive reliable source? C'mon TMS. There is NO such thing as a reliable source unless you are sleeping with Donnie Walsh and even at that he's just mumbling in his dreams. The point being, it's ALL speculatioin and NO ONE knows what Donnie Walsh has in mind except Donnie Walsh.

Even IF, and it is a huge IF, that he whispered his intention to a "reliable source" who knows whether it is a variation on that lyin' and cheatin' Isiah Thomas Playbook which always kept people in the dark until the last possible minute, or the way he feels for the moment... or just a whimsical moment?

Here is what we do know:

David Lee is having a solid season and until further notice, the most productive player over 6'8" in the Knicks frontcourt. Walsh would be wise to keep him around until a significant upgrade is signed, sealed and delivered.

Rumors are simply cheap forms of entertainment.

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1/10/2009  8:24 PM
Half of what Donnie knows, not even Donnie knows what they are yet.
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1/10/2009  8:26 PM
obviously rumors are just rumors, so i don't get why you're running w/this one that all of a sudden he's not going anywhere as the title of your thread suggests... what we do know is that Donnie chose not to re-sign D Lee to an extension to begin the season so he could keep his options open, & all of his trades so far have been cap clearing type moves with 2010 in mind... that's all the concrete evidence we have to go on... signing D Lee to an extension would not fit that plan, so unless something changes & he can unload Curry or Fishlips this year, IMHO it's likely that he's exploring trade opportunities for D Lee right now... doesn't mean he necessarily will be trading him but u have to believe he's seriously considering it.
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1/10/2009  8:53 PM
It wouldn't make any sense to just all of the sudden sign Lee to an extension. They didn't sign him right away from the beginning for a reason. And as you said TMS, it's all the concrete evidence we have. I'm not going to defend Lee anymore. What happens will happen. I cannot predict this team anymore, because like the market, it is very volatile.

Instead I will be focusing on Donnie Walsh from now on. I think as the Yankees have taken a definate stance to improve the Yankee defense, and getting younger, the Knicks should at least focus on getting defensively stronger to. If we can have a type of player who can run a D'Antoni offensive play and equally have defensive skills, then trading anyone on this team for that kind of player is in our best interest.
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1/10/2009  9:07 PM
TMS - I'm running with this particular rumor because it is a cheap form of entertainment. Based on your participation in the discussion, it must be working.

As 4949 understands, in this changing market, anything is possible. If no one had an opinion on the imagined variables, the entire UK site would shrink to Bolivian. It is 98.9% opinion and I'm cool with that.

Besides, Lee is having a good game tonight, so far.
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1/10/2009  9:32 PM
Posted by misterearl:

TMS - I'm running with this particular rumor because it is a cheap form of entertainment. Based on your participation in the discussion, it must be working.

i just find it comical how you're gonna make some proclamation that D Lee is all of a sudden not going anywhere based on a cheap 3rd source rumor you read on the internet, then u rag on me for buying into cheap internet rumors for thinking Donnie's holding his options open on D Lee.
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1/10/2009  9:58 PM
TMS - cool

Laughter is good

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1/10/2009  11:58 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by misterearl:

TMS - I'm running with this particular rumor because it is a cheap form of entertainment. Based on your participation in the discussion, it must be working.

i just find it comical how you're gonna make some proclamation that D Lee is all of a sudden not going anywhere based on a cheap 3rd source rumor you read on the internet, then u rag on me for buying into cheap internet rumors for thinking Donnie's holding his options open on D Lee.

Why bother?
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1/11/2009  9:17 AM
General Feeling

"Lee remains the most likely candidate to be traded because the general feeling is that he will receive a lucrative contract offer from another team after July 1. If the Knicks decided to match such an offer, it could jeopardize their plans for the following summer."

"Signing David Lee doesn't hurt the Knicks for 2010," said one rival general manager. "It screws them."

"We talk about (the roster) every day," D'Antoni said.

- Frank Isola
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1/11/2009  11:30 AM
ny media is hilarious.

one guy says lee stays.

the other guy says lee goes.

and fans keep running around in circles based on what each person says.

imho, watch repeats of "good times" instead of following the drama that is your new york knicks...
The High Anxiety Over Lee Staying Was A Fun Exercise - But Wait, He Isn't Going Anywhere

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