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Cosmic
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1/3/2009  11:59 PM
Just something I thought of the other day: What would be the best Knick team of all time you could construct that Mike D would do best coaching?

This takes a little more than just listing your favorite, 5, 10, or even 15 Knicks (whatever depth of roster you like to list with these types of questions). The roster has to be something Mike D could run with in his style of coaching.
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1/4/2009  12:15 AM
PG Mark Jackson
SG Allan Houston
SF Bernard King
PF Dave DeBusschere
C Patrick Ewing
6th: Spreewell



I really wanted to include Walt... I have a signed photo of his hanging on the wall by my desk, but thought Jax to be a MDA point. Houston is the type of shooter the offense needs; King is the go-to-scorer. DeBusschere could score and rebound but his defense is what would make him the Shawn Marion jack-of-all-trades type. Ewing speaks for himself. i think we could all see Spreewell in Barbosa's role.
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1/4/2009  12:15 AM
Mark Jackson
Starks
Houston
Kurt Thomas
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1/4/2009  12:33 AM
PG Mark Jackson
SG Michael Ray Richardson
SF Bernard King
PF Kiki Vandeweghe
C Bill Cartwright
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1/4/2009  12:39 AM
It's the expeditious thing to just list some dudes, quite another too provide a fundamental reason why

G Frazier - intelligent leadership and the killer 70's wardrobe, does whatever it takes to win, his TEMPO plays to whatever D'Antoni needs on offense

G Monroe - "Black Jesus" with creative scoring on demand, no contest, adaptability and ball-handling, D'Antoni adores the quick pass off the patented Pearl spin move

F Bernard - because Bernard said so, that's good enough for me, inside scoring

F DeBusschere - defense, toughness and rebounding... the original glue player who changed the franchise direction towards a championshhip, D'Antoni and Dave share beers together after games

C Jerry Lucas - a brilliant and sophisticated center with deep three point range as a rare thing of beauty (most honorable mention to The Captain Willis Reed) D'Antoni watches Lucas hoist thirty footers from his right shoulder and hit nothing but net

Trainer - "Big Time" Danny Whelan, any trainer who gets T'd up to protect the head coach, or just because he was that irate over a bad call, is a friend of mine

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[Edited by - misterearl on 01-04-2009 12:56 AM]
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1/4/2009  12:55 AM
Frazier/ Jackson--
I'll take Walt over Jackson because he is the better shooter... although I can understand why people would say Jackson fits the D'antoni mold better as a pass first player... I think you still go with athleticism here especially if you have Houston starting in this lineup.

Houston/Starks/ Monroe--
I want to take Starks over Houston for his ability to get to the hoop and better defense, but the 40% 3pt% is hard to beat. I'd take Monroe, but the 3pt didn't exist then and that can't make Mike D happy...

King/Sprewell/Xman
King starts and is backed up by Sprewell. I think Mike D puts Spree and King on the floor together to run some open floor havoc... Spree being well know for his open floor ability to score.

Camby/ Debusshere/ Oakley
I take Camby for his size and athleticism. I think Debusshere is undersized for the PF in this NBA... but since when is Mike D afraid of playing undersized?

Ewing-- in his early years he could really run the floor... no doubt in his early prime he starts... when he is in foul trouble you move Camby to the 5 and run a smaller squad out there...



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1/4/2009  1:11 AM
Clyde-You can't take Jax over him. Better shooter and of the best defenders all time.
H20: Size and range is top pure shooter of this franchise.
Bernard: This greyhound leads league in scoring with MDA!
Ewing: Not at center, but at the PF. This guy in his prime could run the floor and thats where Id put him. MDA would have him passing off rebounds, not slowing it down as he did so many years.
Willis: In his prime was very versatile and could run, rebound and throw the outlet pass. He is the center of the team.
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1/4/2009  3:35 AM
Rod Strickland would be D'antoni's point guard imho. Jax was rookie of the year but after that he fell off and lost several steps.....he no longer was running and gunning....he spent the rest of his career booty bumping 35 feet out. I pick rod cuz he simply knew when to run the play, break the play and how to find an open teamate. He also could drive take the hit and finish. Imho he was at his best when he ran the break. He knew who to hit, how to change pace, and fake while flying full speed. Wasn't known for shooting the 3 but shooting the 3 isn't what a point guards job is.

Sprewell was a one man fast break......nuff said.....but I agree that Houston should be the starting 2 with Spree off the bench.

Bernard King at the 3 forever and a day.

Camby at center......ewing in his prime would have demanded the ball too much in the post.

Power fwd would have to be big Dave.

Spree, ward, mason, and oak probably off the bench.....
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1/4/2009  7:34 AM
C - Patrick Ewing
Pf - Willis Reed
Sf - Bernard King
Sg - Latrell Sprewell
Pg - Walt Frazier
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1/4/2009  9:08 AM
sheesh

Are you guys kidding me?

You guys claim to be the repository, the jedi Knights of Knicks basketball and you throw together a freakin' list? A list? Are you kidding me? Where is the rationale and the nuanced analysis that makes New York fans superior?

Where is the work ethic that people always chide Knicks players for? Lists are for lazy people.

The "Ultimate" Knicks fans boast of superior knowledge and passion and the best some can do is throw out a list like a random list of groceries? You have no recipe. You got no meal.

These insipid "all star" lineups have no vision. Too many are nothing but a list of leading scorers. Big deal. Reed and Patrick starting together is not cool. Why would that work? Are you kidding me?

Has anyone considered the sharing of the basketball or the temperment of the players?

Why would D'Antoni like to coach Allan Houston, other than the fact they share the same tailor?

The hot-tempered Spree and Bernard-the-fierce togther?

Are you serious? No one else would even sniff the rock. That is nuts. D'Antoni better be ready to play Mills Lane.

Spree and Bernard would get in a fistfight the first day of practice. And they would glare at each other during timeouts. Their throw-down would make the legendary rumble between X McDaniel and Oak look like a church picnic. And it happens DURING a game. There would be blood.

You need good karma and balance. You need Knicks history and Knicks pride. You need a guy like Bill Bradley to remind guys that the Knicks value teamwork on the court and in the locker room, when guys are talking behind each other's back. Bradley reminded young White guys that dismissive behavior towards Black players was not cool. THAT, my friends is how you put together an "all-time" team "that D'Antoni would LOVE to coach."

Bottom line - You need diversity. Any of these guys speak Italian?

C'mon Ira, you have way more expertise bouncing around in your brain than to dump out a simple list of your favorite guys on the table.

On the other hand, Jerry Lucas at center would be revolutionary.

[Edited by - misterearl on 01-04-2009 09:14 AM]
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1/4/2009  11:06 AM
walt
micaeal ray
monroe
King at PF
Ewing
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1/4/2009  11:23 AM
Briggs - you so crazy

6'6 King at power forward? Yeah right. An evening of defending evil-intentoned behemoths like Kark Malone, Lucious Jackson, Kevin Garnett or Gus Johnson is exactly the matchup Mike D'Antoni prefers for Bernard King.

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[Edited by - misterearl on 01-04-2009 11:24 AM]
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1/4/2009  2:35 PM
Posted by misterearl:

sheesh

Are you guys kidding me?

You guys claim to be the repository, the jedi Knights of Knicks basketball and you throw together a freakin' list? A list? Are you kidding me? Where is the rationale and the nuanced analysis that makes New York fans superior?

Where is the work ethic that people always chide Knicks players for? Lists are for lazy people.

The "Ultimate" Knicks fans boast of superior knowledge and passion and the best some can do is throw out a list like a random list of groceries? You have no recipe. You got no meal.

These insipid "all star" lineups have no vision. Too many are nothing but a list of leading scorers. Big deal. Reed and Patrick starting together is not cool. Why would that work? Are you kidding me?

Has anyone considered the sharing of the basketball or the temperment of the players?

Why would D'Antoni like to coach Allan Houston, other than the fact they share the same tailor?

The hot-tempered Spree and Bernard-the-fierce togther?

Are you serious? No one else would even sniff the rock. That is nuts. D'Antoni better be ready to play Mills Lane.

Spree and Bernard would get in a fistfight the first day of practice. And they would glare at each other during timeouts. Their throw-down would make the legendary rumble between X McDaniel and Oak look like a church picnic. And it happens DURING a game. There would be blood.

You need good karma and balance. You need Knicks history and Knicks pride. You need a guy like Bill Bradley to remind guys that the Knicks value teamwork on the court and in the locker room, when guys are talking behind each other's back. Bradley reminded young White guys that dismissive behavior towards Black players was not cool. THAT, my friends is how you put together an "all-time" team "that D'Antoni would LOVE to coach."

Bottom line - You need diversity. Any of these guys speak Italian?

C'mon Ira, you have way more expertise bouncing around in your brain than to dump out a simple list of your favorite guys on the table.

On the other hand, Jerry Lucas at center would be revolutionary.

[Edited by - misterearl on 01-04-2009 09:14 AM]
Reed and Ewing would work together. Reed played power forward for a number of years and had a nice soft touch on his jump shot. Ewing could also hit from outside.

King and Spree on the wings is a good match since one was one of the best shooters ever and the other had a very quick first step. With Clyde orchestrating, this lineup would be great.

Lucas was a forward who played center when Reed was injured. He was a fine player, but not in Reed's class.
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1/4/2009  2:50 PM
Ewing can demand the ball down low, but he would get pulled in 10 sec.

We talking about players who could adapt to the system.

Michael Ray was a nice pick but the chemistry thing is a good point. Coke heads don't lead teams.

Im thinking of young ewing and make him more of a PF and weak side defender. Much better than Camby even on their best days.
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1/4/2009  2:54 PM
Ira - c'mon dude. It wasn't until Willis was moved back to center, his position since his days at Grambling, that he flourished. The reason D'Antoni would like Willis is his versatility to draw opposing centers away from the paint, face the basket, and free space for the offense to flow.

Why would D'Antoni gum it up with the back-to-the-basket post-presence of Ewing?

You watched Don Nelson try to get Ewing to accept change, right? Why would D'Antoni's non-traditional system not cause the same resistance from Ewing?

Reed would not work any better with Ewing than he worked with Bellamy. You think Eddy and Zach were redundant?

Willis and Patrick would be a Seventh Avenue traffic jam.

Bernard and Spree would hate each other's guts.

No drama please.
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1/4/2009  3:15 PM
The thread says MDA type players not our own personal Knicks Fave-Five.

PG Stickland
SG Houston (MDA likes to spread the floor, who better than Hou)
SF King
PF Big Dave (good call Eny...Dave can keep the paint open)
C Camby
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Posted by Uptown:

The thread says MDA type players not our own personal Knicks Fave-Five.

PG Stickland
SG Houston (MDA likes to spread the floor, who better than Hou)
SF King
PF Big Dave (good call Eny...Dave can keep the paint open)
C Camby

Great minds think alike!....I can't figure out why nobody mentioned Rod Strickland but us. I'm looking at style of play how could anybody say different.

Rod is my all time favorite point guard ahead of anybody even Magic, and Isiah....just my personal all time favorite. He was just so disgusting....I posted clips of him many times but i'll do it again with the astroglide waiting on deck.

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1/4/2009  3:35 PM
My 15 man roster:

Walt Frazier
Willis Reed
Bernard King
Earl Monroe
Patrick Ewing
Mark Jackson
Latrell Spreewell
Dave Debuscherre
Charles Oakley
Marcus Camby
Bill Cartwright
Bill Bradley
Michael Ray Richarson
Nate Robinson

It's actually only a 14 man roster, because I could not bring myself to pick Marbury, Houston or Starks. 61 years in the business and this thread is telling about our franchise.

michael jordan and company would not have won six rings if Bernard had not gone down. He was the ultimate scoring machine.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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Posted by 4949:

My 15 man roster:

Walt Frazier
Willis Reed
Bernard King
Earl Monroe
Patrick Ewing
Mark Jackson
Latrell Spreewell
Dave Debuscherre
Charles Oakley
Marcus Camby
Bill Cartwright
Bill Bradley
Michael Ray Richarson
Nate Robinson

It's actually only a 14 man roster, because I could not bring myself to pick Marbury, Houston or Starks. 61 years in the business and this thread is telling about our franchise.

michael jordan and company would not have won six rings if Bernard had not gone down. He was the ultimate scoring machine.

your 15 man roster is basically the greatests knicks of all time.....you suck
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1/4/2009  3:47 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by 4949:

My 15 man roster:

Walt Frazier
Willis Reed
Bernard King
Earl Monroe
Patrick Ewing
Mark Jackson
Latrell Spreewell
Dave Debuscherre
Charles Oakley
Marcus Camby
Bill Cartwright
Bill Bradley
Michael Ray Richarson
Nate Robinson

It's actually only a 14 man roster, because I could not bring myself to pick Marbury, Houston or Starks. 61 years in the business and this thread is telling about our franchise.

michael jordan and company would not have won six rings if Bernard had not gone down. He was the ultimate scoring machine.

your 15 man roster is basically the greatests knicks of all time.....you suck

That was great!
I'll never trust this' team again.
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