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1/3/2009  7:13 PM

During lasts nights game, I was upset all game at the play, the turnovers, the dumb shots, and even with 21 turnovers we still had a 3 point lead with under 3 minutes left, then it happened. The knucklehead plays, the ADD and the BAsketball Tourette's syndrome. Now I by no means am making light of these disorders that people suffer from, so If anyone is offended, I apologize and will shut this down if you are. I really mean that..

So let me proceed. I hate to jump on these two guys, I like them and I see what they do as a problem.. Up 5, after nate hits that tough shot on TJ ford, we fould granger. Ok we still up 3 with the ball and around 2 minutes. Nate comes back down, forces a terrible drive, tries to flop and we lose the ball. Indiana scores. Down 1... next play, Al harrington throws up forced shot, pacers get the ball, score . up 1..

At that point, we lost the momentum which allowed an average guard, jaret jack to become a superstar tonight.. An indiana team which lost so many 1 point games, because they didn't know how to close out games, looked like world beaters, and why? well because we have two players with ADD, BAsketball Tourette's and knuckle head syndrome....

I don't understand these guys.. Every player, and I mean every player, can get off a bad shot in the NBA, the good players take less bad shots, the bad ones, take a bunch of them. Instead of keeping with the ball movement late and getting the open shot, nate and AL, late in games go into, selfish, ADD mode.. It is like, forget the play, forget the ball movement, forget the situation.. I got the ball and damnit, the shot is going up!!! Wilson chandler again late, made the big play, with the dunk and the foul.. I wish Dantoni would have benched Al and nate. I think they don't allow the other guys to run the offense. It is such juvenile behvior on the court, and I can't stand it.. As a person that played organized, competitive ball from age 10-22, I can tell you, this is not the way to win games... It is disruptive behavior and I don't like it. Last night Harrington and nate rubbed me the wrong way.. for real....

A winnable game, became unwinnable when those two decided to go nut, they can't control their behavior it seems unless they are force to sit... I can't wait until we purge this roster even more..


Horrible loss.....
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1/3/2009  7:47 PM
Posted by tkf:


During lasts nights game, I was upset all game at the play, the turnovers, the dumb shots, and even with 21 turnovers we still had a 3 point lead with under 3 minutes left, then it happened. The knucklehead plays, the ADD and the BAsketball Tourette's syndrome. Now I by no means am making light of these disorders that people suffer from, so If anyone is offended, I apologize and will shut this down if you are. I really mean that..

Why even put it that way to begin with? Most people don't make comments like 'are you blind' or 'your retarded' or anything like that. Jones and G have used the 'bi polar' comments, which I already addressed. So why take a chance on offending anyone who might have these conditions on this board or anywhere?
I'll never trust this' team again.
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1/3/2009  7:48 PM
All you need to know about last night game was Jarrett Jack beat Duhon like...
1. a drum
2. rented mule
3. a baby seal
4. he was his meat
5. Rodney King

You pick one, they all apply. To try to pin it on another player is some serious denial.
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1/3/2009  7:51 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

All you need to know about last night game was Jarrett Jack beat Duhon like...
1. a drum
2. rented mule
3. a baby seal
4. he was his meat
5. Rodney King

You pick one, they all apply. To try to pin it on another player is some serious denial.

More like #4.
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1/3/2009  9:25 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by tkf:


During lasts nights game, I was upset all game at the play, the turnovers, the dumb shots, and even with 21 turnovers we still had a 3 point lead with under 3 minutes left, then it happened. The knucklehead plays, the ADD and the BAsketball Tourette's syndrome. Now I by no means am making light of these disorders that people suffer from, so If anyone is offended, I apologize and will shut this down if you are. I really mean that..

Why even put it that way to begin with? Most people don't make comments like 'are you blind' or 'your retarded' or anything like that. Jones and G have used the 'bi polar' comments, which I already addressed. So why take a chance on offending anyone who might have these conditions on this board or anywhere?


well I should have modified it for this board.. I also posted it on the other forum...
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1/3/2009  11:42 PM
Yeah I hear ya loud and clear TKF. It was frustrating to see them go up 5, and then after the Duhon foul going for that steal, the momentum ended, and both Nate and Al just took horrible shots completely out of any offensive system. I have no idea what the panic was about. Yet it does show a low IQ and a weak mental state. There was no reason to lose that game at that point. This team has holes in their skill level but they also have holes in their mental level. It's all part of being a bad team I guess but that loss, like several this season, STUNG, because of how they lost: They beat themselves with stupid decision making.

When another team just runs you over because they got it going it's one thing. When your team goes down in flames because it's just shooting itself in the foot play after play it's infuriating.
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1/4/2009  12:23 AM
Posted by Cosmic:

Yeah I hear ya loud and clear TKF. It was frustrating to see them go up 5, and then after the Duhon foul going for that steal, the momentum ended, and both Nate and Al just took horrible shots completely out of any offensive system. I have no idea what the panic was about. Yet it does show a low IQ and a weak mental state. There was no reason to lose that game at that point. This team has holes in their skill level but they also have holes in their mental level. It's all part of being a bad team I guess but that loss, like several this season, STUNG, because of how they lost: They beat themselves with stupid decision making.

When another team just runs you over because they got it going it's one thing. When your team goes down in flames because it's just shooting itself in the foot play after play it's infuriating.


good point, and what bothered me the most is that you would think nate and al would realize these are just bad shots, yet when it comes down the stretch, they ignore the offense completely.... Dantoni just needs to sit them down the last 2 minutes of the game until they get it... either they get it or they sit... the turnovers and decision making is just horrendous...
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1/4/2009  12:28 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by Cosmic:

Yeah I hear ya loud and clear TKF. It was frustrating to see them go up 5, and then after the Duhon foul going for that steal, the momentum ended, and both Nate and Al just took horrible shots completely out of any offensive system. I have no idea what the panic was about. Yet it does show a low IQ and a weak mental state. There was no reason to lose that game at that point. This team has holes in their skill level but they also have holes in their mental level. It's all part of being a bad team I guess but that loss, like several this season, STUNG, because of how they lost: They beat themselves with stupid decision making.

When another team just runs you over because they got it going it's one thing. When your team goes down in flames because it's just shooting itself in the foot play after play it's infuriating.


good point, and what bothered me the most is that you would think nate and al would realize these are just bad shots, yet when it comes down the stretch, they ignore the offense completely.... Dantoni just needs to sit them down the last 2 minutes of the game until they get it... either they get it or they sit... the turnovers and decision making is just horrendous...

I'm not sure if you've read my POV on the 1-1 play but recently I've felt Nate Robinson initiates it. It's as if Nate goes 1-1 a couple of times and then Harrington, who does play within the team concept a lot, figures he might as well follow suit and starts going 1-1. Then Chandler must mutter to himself *the hell, I havent touched the ball in half an hour* and he starts going 1-1.

I could be wrong but I really think there's a domino effect that ripples throughout the team that ends up with them all going 1-1 after a while. It seems to begin with Nate. He starts doing it and they all start following suit.

Hopefully once we get some guys healthy and maybe resolve the Marbury/Mobley roster spots we can obtain a guard that will allow us to sit Nate out for more extended periods of time and see what happens.
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1/4/2009  1:31 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by Cosmic:

Yeah I hear ya loud and clear TKF. It was frustrating to see them go up 5, and then after the Duhon foul going for that steal, the momentum ended, and both Nate and Al just took horrible shots completely out of any offensive system. I have no idea what the panic was about. Yet it does show a low IQ and a weak mental state. There was no reason to lose that game at that point. This team has holes in their skill level but they also have holes in their mental level. It's all part of being a bad team I guess but that loss, like several this season, STUNG, because of how they lost: They beat themselves with stupid decision making.

When another team just runs you over because they got it going it's one thing. When your team goes down in flames because it's just shooting itself in the foot play after play it's infuriating.


good point, and what bothered me the most is that you would think nate and al would realize these are just bad shots, yet when it comes down the stretch, they ignore the offense completely.... Dantoni just needs to sit them down the last 2 minutes of the game until they get it... either they get it or they sit... the turnovers and decision making is just horrendous...

I'm not sure if you've read my POV on the 1-1 play but recently I've felt Nate Robinson initiates it. It's as if Nate goes 1-1 a couple of times and then Harrington, who does play within the team concept a lot, figures he might as well follow suit and starts going 1-1. Then Chandler must mutter to himself *the hell, I havent touched the ball in half an hour* and he starts going 1-1.

I could be wrong but I really think there's a domino effect that ripples throughout the team that ends up with them all going 1-1 after a while. It seems to begin with Nate. He starts doing it and they all start following suit.

Hopefully once we get some guys healthy and maybe resolve the Marbury/Mobley roster spots we can obtain a guard that will allow us to sit Nate out for more extended periods of time and see what happens.


I did read it, and I agree to some extent... guys start breaking plays and other guys follow suit.. and I mean guys who have a hard time maintaining the offense anyway... It is so predictable with the knicks and what I mean, guys like nate and Harrington... you know they are going to shoot that damn rock, regardless of the situation. It really is a self destructive style of play..
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1/4/2009  1:35 AM
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I did read it, and I agree to some extent... guys start breaking plays and other guys follow suit.. and I mean guys who have a hard time maintaining the offense anyway... It is so predictable with the knicks and what I mean, guys like nate and Harrington... you know they are going to shoot that damn rock, regardless of the situation. It really is a self destructive style of play..

It is something we are going to suffer through for some time.

On another hand, I'm actually glad to see them do it, and other players' faults come to light, because it makes management's job easier when it comes to making decisions on who to retain and who to jettison when they decide how to build the new team.

Whether we like it or not the rest of this season and the entire 09/10 season is really one big audition.

For I believe the day we really start to "build" the new team begins the summer of 2010. In the meantime we're simply evaluating players. I'd rather their faults show up NOW.

Game to Game it will be frustrating. There's a much bigger picture in mind though so I can deal with it these days knowing that.
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1/4/2009  11:07 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by tkf:


I did read it, and I agree to some extent... guys start breaking plays and other guys follow suit.. and I mean guys who have a hard time maintaining the offense anyway... It is so predictable with the knicks and what I mean, guys like nate and Harrington... you know they are going to shoot that damn rock, regardless of the situation. It really is a self destructive style of play..

It is something we are going to suffer through for some time.

On another hand, I'm actually glad to see them do it, and other players' faults come to light, because it makes management's job easier when it comes to making decisions on who to retain and who to jettison when they decide how to build the new team.

Whether we like it or not the rest of this season and the entire 09/10 season is really one big audition.

For I believe the day we really start to "build" the new team begins the summer of 2010. In the meantime we're simply evaluating players. I'd rather their faults show up NOW.

Game to Game it will be frustrating. There's a much bigger picture in mind though so I can deal with it these days knowing that.


good point...
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1/4/2009  2:03 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by tkf:


I did read it, and I agree to some extent... guys start breaking plays and other guys follow suit.. and I mean guys who have a hard time maintaining the offense anyway... It is so predictable with the knicks and what I mean, guys like nate and Harrington... you know they are going to shoot that damn rock, regardless of the situation. It really is a self destructive style of play..

It is something we are going to suffer through for some time.

On another hand, I'm actually glad to see them do it, and other players' faults come to light, because it makes management's job easier when it comes to making decisions on who to retain and who to jettison when they decide how to build the new team.

Whether we like it or not the rest of this season and the entire 09/10 season is really one big audition.

For I believe the day we really start to "build" the new team begins the summer of 2010. In the meantime we're simply evaluating players. I'd rather their faults show up NOW.

Game to Game it will be frustrating. There's a much bigger picture in mind though so I can deal with it these days knowing that.

it is frustrating and I agree with both you and TKF. I think a big part of the problem is that guys like Nate are purely bench players; ride them when they are doing well and sit them when things are not working out. Al may be starter material but he is not really a go-to guy.

IMO the Knicks are lacking really strong leadership on the court. And not leadership in the quiet way Duhon may be able to provide is as a PG, but someone who they can go to on the offensive side of things in crunch time or who can take over a game. We don't have that and Nate and Al think they can fill that role but their bb IQ is not high enough nor are their skills good enough.
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1/4/2009  4:29 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by tkf:


I did read it, and I agree to some extent... guys start breaking plays and other guys follow suit.. and I mean guys who have a hard time maintaining the offense anyway... It is so predictable with the knicks and what I mean, guys like nate and Harrington... you know they are going to shoot that damn rock, regardless of the situation. It really is a self destructive style of play..

It is something we are going to suffer through for some time.

On another hand, I'm actually glad to see them do it, and other players' faults come to light, because it makes management's job easier when it comes to making decisions on who to retain and who to jettison when they decide how to build the new team.

Whether we like it or not the rest of this season and the entire 09/10 season is really one big audition.

For I believe the day we really start to "build" the new team begins the summer of 2010. In the meantime we're simply evaluating players. I'd rather their faults show up NOW.

Game to Game it will be frustrating. There's a much bigger picture in mind though so I can deal with it these days knowing that.

it is frustrating and I agree with both you and TKF. I think a big part of the problem is that guys like Nate are purely bench players; ride them when they are doing well and sit them when things are not working out. Al may be starter material but he is not really a go-to guy.

IMO the Knicks are lacking really strong leadership on the court. And not leadership in the quiet way Duhon may be able to provide is as a PG, but someone who they can go to on the offensive side of things in crunch time or who can take over a game. We don't have that and Nate and Al think they can fill that role but their bb IQ is not high enough nor are their skills good enough.

Hmmm, interesting observation. It's actually worse then I thought.
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1/4/2009  4:47 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by tkf:


I did read it, and I agree to some extent... guys start breaking plays and other guys follow suit.. and I mean guys who have a hard time maintaining the offense anyway... It is so predictable with the knicks and what I mean, guys like nate and Harrington... you know they are going to shoot that damn rock, regardless of the situation. It really is a self destructive style of play..

It is something we are going to suffer through for some time.

On another hand, I'm actually glad to see them do it, and other players' faults come to light, because it makes management's job easier when it comes to making decisions on who to retain and who to jettison when they decide how to build the new team.

Whether we like it or not the rest of this season and the entire 09/10 season is really one big audition.

For I believe the day we really start to "build" the new team begins the summer of 2010. In the meantime we're simply evaluating players. I'd rather their faults show up NOW.

Game to Game it will be frustrating. There's a much bigger picture in mind though so I can deal with it these days knowing that.

it is frustrating and I agree with both you and TKF. I think a big part of the problem is that guys like Nate are purely bench players; ride them when they are doing well and sit them when things are not working out. Al may be starter material but he is not really a go-to guy.

IMO the Knicks are lacking really strong leadership on the court. And not leadership in the quiet way Duhon may be able to provide is as a PG, but someone who they can go to on the offensive side of things in crunch time or who can take over a game. We don't have that and Nate and Al think they can fill that role but their bb IQ is not high enough nor are their skills good enough.

Hmmm, interesting observation. It's actually worse then I thought.

if it's worse than you thought than you have this team pegged way too high. Knicks are rebuilding.
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1/4/2009  4:57 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by tkf:


I did read it, and I agree to some extent... guys start breaking plays and other guys follow suit.. and I mean guys who have a hard time maintaining the offense anyway... It is so predictable with the knicks and what I mean, guys like nate and Harrington... you know they are going to shoot that damn rock, regardless of the situation. It really is a self destructive style of play..

It is something we are going to suffer through for some time.

On another hand, I'm actually glad to see them do it, and other players' faults come to light, because it makes management's job easier when it comes to making decisions on who to retain and who to jettison when they decide how to build the new team.

Whether we like it or not the rest of this season and the entire 09/10 season is really one big audition.

For I believe the day we really start to "build" the new team begins the summer of 2010. In the meantime we're simply evaluating players. I'd rather their faults show up NOW.

Game to Game it will be frustrating. There's a much bigger picture in mind though so I can deal with it these days knowing that.

it is frustrating and I agree with both you and TKF. I think a big part of the problem is that guys like Nate are purely bench players; ride them when they are doing well and sit them when things are not working out. Al may be starter material but he is not really a go-to guy.

IMO the Knicks are lacking really strong leadership on the court. And not leadership in the quiet way Duhon may be able to provide is as a PG, but someone who they can go to on the offensive side of things in crunch time or who can take over a game. We don't have that and Nate and Al think they can fill that role but their bb IQ is not high enough nor are their skills good enough.

Hmmm, interesting observation. It's actually worse then I thought.

Dude it's only worse then you thought because you believed your own hype surrounding those pre-season stats. I told ya man, they don't mean anything.
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1/6/2009  10:49 PM
I'm bumping this thread since I think tonight's display may be another to add to the case study.
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