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1/2/2009  12:16 AM
Sources: Marbury, Celtics interested in deal

By Marc Stein
ESPN.com


Nearly one year since Stephon Marbury last played in a regular-season game, signals are getting stronger that the New York Knicks' outcast will eventually make his comeback with the Boston Celtics.

That still depends largely on Marbury's ability to negotiate his release from the Knicks after weeks of fruitless and oft-contentious buyout talks, but sources with knowledge of the situation told ESPN.com this week that Boston is Marbury's preferred destination if he manages to become a free agent and that the Celtics are indeed hopeful of signing him.

Celtics general manager Danny Ainge did not immediately respond to a request for comment on a New Year's Day holiday for the entire league and has generally refused to address the possibility of signing Marbury. Yet it's believed that the Celtics' concerns about their depth, after losing James Posey and P.J. Brown from last season's title team, have swelled noticeably since they followed up the best 29-game start in NBA history at 27-2 by losing three of the next four games on the road.

With Brown telling the New Orleans Times-Picayune on Wednesday that he is "officially retired" and Dikembe Mutombo having re-signed earlier this week with the Houston Rockets, Marbury easily ranks as the most accomplished low-cost veteran that the Celtics can add to their bench in-season. Boston also knows it would have the option to simply release Marbury without significant salary-cap consequences if he fails to click as a backup or proves unwilling to accept a secondary role.

It appears that the biggest obstacle to such a move is Marbury actually securing a buyout from the Knicks in a timely fashion as opposed to reservations Boston might have about Marbury's impact on team chemistry.

Although it has been widely assumed that Celtics forward Kevin Garnett would resist a reunion with the controversial point guard -- after Marbury broke up their Minnesota parternship in less than three seasons together by forcing a trade to New Jersey -- one Celtics source insists that Garnett has voiced no opposition to the idea of signing Marbury for the rest of the season to strengthen Boston's backcourt depth behind starters Rajon Rondo and Ray Allen.

When asked specifically about the likelihood of Marbury joining the Celtics this season, the source predicted that "it will happen."

Joining the NBA's reigning champions would certainly back up Marbury's recent claim at halftime of a Knicks-Lakers game in Los Angeles that "the team I'm going to go to, a lot of people will be shocked." The 31-year-old hasn't officially played for New York since Jan. 11 of last season and began this season on the inactive list while awaiting a buyout. Marbury was then barred from contact with the team in late November after a dispute over Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni's offering him the chance to start playing again following the Knicks' two trades on Nov. 21, which left them short of available players.

The Celtics lack size more than anything off the bench, which should explain their interest in Brown and Mutombo. But Marbury -- when he's right -- is a proven scoring threat who can also handle pressure on the ball, freeing up Eddie House to focus on his preferred role of designated shooter. The Celtics also clearly have the strong team culture -- with Garnett, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen and coach Doc Rivers -- to take on the various challenges of a Marbury dice roll.

"All the people who say nobody wants me on their team, [that] I'm all different things -- a cancer -- that's not what's going on," Marbury said at the game in L.A. earlier this month when surrounded by reporters.

One source close to Marbury cautioned that it would be premature to say that he's narrowed his wish list down to the Celtics, but one Western Conference executive said of the notion that Marbury is Boston-bound: "I've heard the exact same thing."

The fact remains, though, that Marbury has to extricate himself from the Knicks before he can make any firm future plans. Media outlets in New York have reported in recent days that Knicks president Donnie Walsh is planning to seriously rekindle buyout talks now that the calendar has flipped to 2009, but one theory in circulation holds that the Knicks have dragged out Marbury's release this long in part because they don't want to see him wind up as a contributor in a championship race with a team from the same division.

The Celtics have also yet to make either of their two scheduled regular-season visits to Madison Square Garden. The first is Sunday and the second is Feb. 6.

In buyout negotiations to date, Marbury has refused to surrender more than $1 million of his $20.8 million salary and, at last report, was no longer offering to give back that much. The Knicks have reportedly asked Marbury to give up at least $3 million for the right to choose his next team, although they could be moved to lower those demands if a trade materializes that requires New York to open Marbury's roster spot.

Assuming that Marbury does eventually secure a buyout from the Knicks, it would appear that his options are scarce should the Celtics ultimately decide not to take the gamble.

Orlando and Phoenix are among the top teams needing guard help which have publicly declared their intent to steer clear of Marbury. Miami is often mentioned as a possible destination, but the luxury-tax implications from signing Marbury and the Heat's status as a rebuilding team make it a questionable fit. It is unclear whether the Los Angeles Lakers -- who recently lost backup point guard Jordan Farmar until mid-February at the earliest because of knee surgery -- would be a Marbury bidder.

ESPN.com reported in mid-November that Dallas planned to investigate the possibility of signing Marbury if he became available -- with Mavericks owner Mark Cuban and Marbury having built a casual friendship over the years -- but that was before J.J. Barea emerged as a reliable contributor off the Mavs' bench. Club sources, meanwhile, have maintained from the start that the Mavs would likely pass on the tricky prospect of bringing in Marbury to back up Jason Kidd, given what happened after those two were traded for each other in the summer of 2001. Kidd led New Jersey to back-to-back appearances in the NBA Finals in 2002 and 2003; Marbury experienced only moderate success in 2½ seasons with Phoenix before a 2004 trade to the Knicks which has delivered little beyond a steadily deteriorating relationship with his hometown team.

In a first-person weblog entry for the New York Post on Wednesday, Marbury discussed his ongoing exile from the Knicks.

"People who know me know I'm in the best shape of my life," Marbury wrote. ". . . Bottom line, I came to camp with the right attitude, in shape and ready to play. I didn't come to be a distraction.

"I didn't want to be a distraction for the team first and me second. I honestly came to help the team win. Real talk. I was willing to put in the work necessary to earn my starting spot and humble enough to accept coming off of the bench.

"It was unfortunate that the coach wanted to go in a different direction and didn't want me to be part of the team. I just wish it had been handled correctly from jump. I could understand the fact they didn't want Chris Duhon looking over his shoulder, but if you don't want me just pay me and let me go. I just want to play basketball."
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1/2/2009  12:28 AM
Isn't it a good way to make some damage to Boston?
It will be sweet to watch this soap opera... on another team.
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1/2/2009  12:44 AM
Knicks should play hardball & demand a big concession on Marbury's part on his contract if he wants to go sign w/the Celtics & play for a championship this year... otherwise i would let him rot until the deadline to qualify for postseason play & then weigh the options then... Knicks should in no way make any concessions for Stephon Marbury at this point.
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1/2/2009  12:44 AM
If the Celtics want Marbury, let them trade for him.

Otherwise, if Marbury wants to sign with the Celtics, let him do it next year, after his contract with the Knicks is done.

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1/2/2009  12:48 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:

If the Celtics want Marbury, let them trade for him.

Otherwise, if Marbury wants to sign with the Celtics, let him do it next year, after his contract with the Knicks is done.

forget about trades, they don't have any contracts that match up other than the big 3... the combined salaries of their entire roster after that doesn't even equal what Steph is making this year.
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1/2/2009  12:50 AM
This smells like tampering from Boston a little no? Esp. with Marbury's comments (definitely sounds like he's talking about going to Boston). I mean he's still our player. If Boston has an interest, they better have communicated that to Donnie and Knicks management... Anyway, why release him and let him go help Boston? F the Celtics. I'm actually leaning toward not buying him out now. He's not hurting us at all right now - he's away from the team and is no longer a distraction, which is exactly what we need. The Celtics don't even have a match for a trade - if Steph wants to go there, sit down with Donnie and your player rep. and be prepared to give back sustantial money in a buyout. Don't get up and leave the meeting in 15 mins. like a greedy clown. Otherwise, sit there and rot. Stupid idiot, instead of shuting his mouth, he buys a ticket to the Laker/Knick game and basically tells the media that the Celtics are interested in him in so many words. I say let him rot now. Never knew how to play his cards right. This dude will never learn. Will never grasp the concept that the Knicks are the ones holding the cards here. Maybe we get lucky and someone other than the Celtics offers something useful for him by the deadline. If not, why help the Celtics?? Only way I consider buying him out now is if we make a trade and need that roster spot to add an incoming player - in that case, I'd just waive him if need be. I'd never let his occupied roster spot interfere with the completion of a trade. But to just buy him out now and let him go help the Celtics and possibly get a ring? Imagine this clown parading around NY in the off-season wearing a big fat Boston Celtics title ring??? Screw that.



[Edited by - finestrg on 01-02-2009 01:09 AM]
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1/2/2009  12:52 AM
I'm actually leaning toward not buying him out now. He's not hurting us at all right now - he's away from the team and is no longer a distraction,

he damn sure is trying his damndest to be one tho, ain't he? gotta give him props for his dedication & focus this season.
if Steph wants to go there, sit down with Donnie and your player rep. and be prepared to give back sustantial money in a buyout.

that's exactly what Donnie should make him do... make him give back at least $8 mil of his salary & see if he's willing to leave money on the table to go play for a championship... otherwise screw him... he's screwed this franchise enough times in the past, he deserves no consideration or fair treatment... the Knicks have paid his salary for doing nothing the past year & a half, that's fair treatment enough.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-01-2009 9:55 PM]
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1/2/2009  1:07 AM
Posted by TMS:
I'm actually leaning toward not buying him out now. He's not hurting us at all right now - he's away from the team and is no longer a distraction,

he damn sure is trying his damndest to be one tho, ain't he? gotta give him props for his dedication & focus this season.
if Steph wants to go there, sit down with Donnie and your player rep. and be prepared to give back sustantial money in a buyout.

that's exactly what Donnie should make him do... make him give back at least $8 mil of his salary & see if he's willing to leave money on the table to go play for a championship... otherwise screw him... he's screwed this franchise enough times in the past, he deserves no consideration or fair treatment... the Knicks have paid his salary for doing nothing the past year & a half, that's fair treatment enough.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-01-2009 9:55 PM]

World class clown. And to think I kinda felt bad for him a little when D'Antoni jerked him around at the start of the season. Not any more. If Boston wants him, let them sign him next year...
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1/2/2009  1:19 AM
Posted by TMS:
I'm actually leaning toward not buying him out now. He's not hurting us at all right now - he's away from the team and is no longer a distraction,

he damn sure is trying his damndest to be one tho, ain't he? gotta give him props for his dedication & focus this season.
if Steph wants to go there, sit down with Donnie and your player rep. and be prepared to give back sustantial money in a buyout.

that's exactly what Donnie should make him do... make him give back at least $8 mil of his salary & see if he's willing to leave money on the table to go play for a championship... otherwise screw him... he's screwed this franchise enough times in the past, he deserves no consideration or fair treatment... the Knicks have paid his salary for doing nothing the past year & a half, that's fair treatment enough.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-01-2009 9:55 PM]

I thought that Donnie Walsh was brought here, in no small part, for his professionalism and integrity. That was supposed to be instilled in this battered and once proud franchise. Not that there hasn't already been some questionable actions taken by Walsh, but if things are still being done out of spite, this franchise isn't moving forward, it's just mired in the gutter as it's been the last 5 years.
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1/2/2009  1:29 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
I'm actually leaning toward not buying him out now. He's not hurting us at all right now - he's away from the team and is no longer a distraction,

he damn sure is trying his damndest to be one tho, ain't he? gotta give him props for his dedication & focus this season.
if Steph wants to go there, sit down with Donnie and your player rep. and be prepared to give back sustantial money in a buyout.

that's exactly what Donnie should make him do... make him give back at least $8 mil of his salary & see if he's willing to leave money on the table to go play for a championship... otherwise screw him... he's screwed this franchise enough times in the past, he deserves no consideration or fair treatment... the Knicks have paid his salary for doing nothing the past year & a half, that's fair treatment enough.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-01-2009 9:55 PM]

I thought that Donnie Walsh was brought here, in no small part, for his professionalism and integrity. That was supposed to be instilled in this battered and once proud franchise. Not that there hasn't already been some questionable actions taken by Walsh, but if things are still being done out of spite, this franchise isn't moving forward, it's just mired in the gutter as it's been the last 5 years.

people that conduct themselves like professionals deserve professional treatment... those that conduct themselves like a circus sideshow deserve no less... Donnie Walsh offered Steph a more than fair offer of a $3 mil less buy out his contract & Steph stomped out of the negotiations after 15 minutes & proceeded to pull his $1 mil less buyout offer off the table & then make a spectacle of himself at an away game by buying courtside seats to the game even when the Knicks had requested he stay away from the team until further notice... please don't even try & come here defending this clown, i don't care how much u don't like Donnie Walsh, MDA or the direction this franchise is going.
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1/2/2009  2:36 AM
I am with Isles on this. Let it go and focus on your current team. That's why we have words like irony.
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1/2/2009  3:07 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
I'm actually leaning toward not buying him out now. He's not hurting us at all right now - he's away from the team and is no longer a distraction,

he damn sure is trying his damndest to be one tho, ain't he? gotta give him props for his dedication & focus this season.
if Steph wants to go there, sit down with Donnie and your player rep. and be prepared to give back sustantial money in a buyout.

that's exactly what Donnie should make him do... make him give back at least $8 mil of his salary & see if he's willing to leave money on the table to go play for a championship... otherwise screw him... he's screwed this franchise enough times in the past, he deserves no consideration or fair treatment... the Knicks have paid his salary for doing nothing the past year & a half, that's fair treatment enough.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-01-2009 9:55 PM]

I thought that Donnie Walsh was brought here, in no small part, for his professionalism and integrity. That was supposed to be instilled in this battered and once proud franchise. Not that there hasn't already been some questionable actions taken by Walsh, but if things are still being done out of spite, this franchise isn't moving forward, it's just mired in the gutter as it's been the last 5 years.

people that conduct themselves like professionals deserve professional treatment... those that conduct themselves like a circus sideshow deserve no less... Donnie Walsh offered Steph a more than fair offer of a $3 mil less buy out his contract & Steph stomped out of the negotiations after 15 minutes & proceeded to pull his $1 mil less buyout offer off the table & then make a spectacle of himself at an away game by buying courtside seats to the game even when the Knicks had requested he stay away from the team until further notice... please don't even try & come here defending this clown, i don't care how much u don't like Donnie Walsh, MDA or the direction this franchise is going.

I don't know where you get the idea that I'm defending Marbury, when nothing could be further from the truth.

I just find it ironic that Walsh was brought here to restore the respect and dignity to the Knicks but instead it's been more of the same. They could have handled this Marbury situation anytime before the season started but nothing happened until D'Antoni DNPed him to start the season and Walsh acted like he knew nothing about the situation.

Now instead of just doing the right thing for the organization to move on from their sordid past, the new management just keeps adding new chapters. If Marbury stays a single second longer than necessary, just because the Knicks choose to stick it to him, it will be further proof that absolutely nothing has changed. Who cares if he signs with another team, this franchise needs to keep looking forward and not back. It's not about Marbury, it's about the direction of this franchise, how they represent themselves, this city and their fans.
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1/2/2009  3:29 AM
k, that's fair but like i said before, Marbury doesn't deserve any more fair treatment... they gave him a fair offer & he threw it back in their face... now he's missing being in the spotlight & he really wants to get back in so he can play for a World championship contender? if that's the case, let HIM be the one to make the concessions, not the Knicks... that's my point... $1 million dollars off the amount they owe Marbs is hardly what i'd call a concession on his part after all the crap he's put this franchise through... how much does Steph value coming back to play in the NBA & try for a title?

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1/2/2009  8:20 AM
We need to worry about our own team first. That means buying out Marbury to end the drama and to free up a roster spot. Nobody should care where Marbury goes and what he does for that team.
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1/2/2009  8:37 AM
I'd actually like it if Marbury would wind up with the Celts.

I'd give it until the first round of the playoffs when MeBury gets strangled by KG.
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1/2/2009  9:35 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
I'm actually leaning toward not buying him out now. He's not hurting us at all right now - he's away from the team and is no longer a distraction,

he damn sure is trying his damndest to be one tho, ain't he? gotta give him props for his dedication & focus this season.
if Steph wants to go there, sit down with Donnie and your player rep. and be prepared to give back sustantial money in a buyout.

that's exactly what Donnie should make him do... make him give back at least $8 mil of his salary & see if he's willing to leave money on the table to go play for a championship... otherwise screw him... he's screwed this franchise enough times in the past, he deserves no consideration or fair treatment... the Knicks have paid his salary for doing nothing the past year & a half, that's fair treatment enough.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-01-2009 9:55 PM]

I thought that Donnie Walsh was brought here, in no small part, for his professionalism and integrity. That was supposed to be instilled in this battered and once proud franchise. Not that there hasn't already been some questionable actions taken by Walsh, but if things are still being done out of spite, this franchise isn't moving forward, it's just mired in the gutter as it's been the last 5 years.

people that conduct themselves like professionals deserve professional treatment... those that conduct themselves like a circus sideshow deserve no less... Donnie Walsh offered Steph a more than fair offer of a $3 mil less buy out his contract & Steph stomped out of the negotiations after 15 minutes & proceeded to pull his $1 mil less buyout offer off the table & then make a spectacle of himself at an away game by buying courtside seats to the game even when the Knicks had requested he stay away from the team until further notice... please don't even try & come here defending this clown, i don't care how much u don't like Donnie Walsh, MDA or the direction this franchise is going.

I don't know where you get the idea that I'm defending Marbury, when nothing could be further from the truth.

I just find it ironic that Walsh was brought here to restore the respect and dignity to the Knicks but instead it's been more of the same. They could have handled this Marbury situation anytime before the season started but nothing happened until D'Antoni DNPed him to start the season and Walsh acted like he knew nothing about the situation.

Now instead of just doing the right thing for the organization to move on from their sordid past, the new management just keeps adding new chapters. If Marbury stays a single second longer than necessary, just because the Knicks choose to stick it to him, it will be further proof that absolutely nothing has changed. Who cares if he signs with another team, this franchise needs to keep looking forward and not back. It's not about Marbury, it's about the direction of this franchise, how they represent themselves, this city and their fans.

I see what you are writing between the lines.
This is still James Dolan club and as such it is and will be partial circus forever.
I think Walsh and Mike are doing good job to minimize the damage Dolan usually does but they only can do as much.
He is the owner and he made final decisions. He will screw Steph as much as possible regardless of good or bad for the Knicks.
It is personal vendetta and Dolan will go all the way to make Steps live miserable in NBA.
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1/2/2009  9:55 AM
I disagree on the mistreatment thing. Just because we keep him on the roster and don't give him everything he wants doesn't mean we are mistreating him. The Knicks have to do what's best for them. In my view you do not let your most talented player go to a team in your division without getting something out of it.
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1/2/2009  10:22 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

I disagree on the mistreatment thing. Just because we keep him on the roster and don't give him everything he wants doesn't mean we are mistreating him. The Knicks have to do what's best for them. In my view you do not let your most talented player go to a team in your division without getting something out of it.

I agree completely. Although I agree with Islesfan's premise to a point, one thing we cant confuse is allowing for "restoring dignity to the franchise" to translate into becoming complete pushovers for petulant primadonnas.

The Knicks have set guidelines for a buyout that are exceedingly fair. Marbury has yet to budge and show faith in even the slightest degree. As such, the Knicks should stand pat and do what they are continuing to do and thats excommunicate him from the organization. What you dont want to do is send a message to the rest of the league that not only do you allow players to run roughshod over the franchise, but that dysfunction is rewarded in acquiescence. At some point you have to reveal that you have a backbone.

I cant in good conscience co-sign giving someone, who has caused us so many problems, 20 million dollars so he can walk to a league rival and put himself in a great position to win a chip. Thats not spite, thats pride.

[Edited by - sebstar on 01-02-2009 10:23 AM]

[Edited by - sebstar on 01-02-2009 10:33 AM]

[Edited by - sebstar on 01-02-2009 10:34 AM]
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Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Bippity10:

I disagree on the mistreatment thing. Just because we keep him on the roster and don't give him everything he wants doesn't mean we are mistreating him. The Knicks have to do what's best for them. In my view you do not let your most talented player go to a team in your division without getting something out of it.

I agree completely. Although I agree with Islesfan's premise to a point, one thing we cant confuse is allowing for "restoring dignity to the franchise" to translate into becoming complete pushovers for a petulant primadonnas.

The Knicks have set guidelines for a buyout that are exceedingly fair. Marbury has yet to budge and show faith in even the slightest degree. As such, the Knicks should stand pat and do what they are continuing to do and thats excommunicate him from the organization. What you dont want to do is send a message to the rest of the league that you not only do you allow players to run roughshod over the franchise, but that dysfunction is rewarded in acquiescence. At some point you have to reveal that you have a backbone.

I cant in good conscience co-sign giving someone, who has caused us so many problems, 20 million dollars so he can walk to a league rival and put himself in a great position to win a chip. Thats not spite, thats pride.

[Edited by - sebstar on 01-02-2009 10:23 AM]

Good post Seb. I agree with you and Bip 100%
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