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12/31/2008  8:38 AM
Interesting article that defends IT's stint as GM of the Knicks:

Isiah’s Suicide Mission: Revisiting The Worst Roster In NBA History
By: Charles Modiano
RealGM.com Writer

Pop Quiz: Who is averaging the least amount of points this year?

A) David Lee B) Wilson Chandler C) Nate Robinson D) Entire 2003 Knicks Roster 
 Answer: D…

Last week marked the 5th anniversary of Isiah Thomas taking over as President/General Manager of the New York Knicks . With history as our guide, it is time to give him a fresh evaluation. Just how historically bad was the roster he received on December 22, 2003?

Rumor has it Barack Obama turned down the job.

Here are six reasons why:

The 2003 Knicks - A Five-Year Retrospective:

1) NO PLAYERS

2003 Knicks: 13 of 15 Knicks are now out of the NBA , and that is no misprint.

Rest of NBA: Most teams still have at least half their roster still in the league. Example:

The Oklahoma City Thunder, the NBA’s worst team at 3-29, still has 10 players and five starters in the NBA from its 2003 Sonics squad that included Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis.

2) NO STARTERS LEFT

2003 Knicks: Antonio McDyess and Kurt Thomas come off the bench.

Rest of NBA: All other 29 teams have either three starters or an all-star still in the league.

What Would a RealGM Do? The Memphis Grizzlies ’ Jerry West was widely considered the best GM in 2003 and had Pau Gasol, Shane Battier, Mike Miller, James Posey, and Earl Watson – still a serviceable starting five today. Earlier in 2003 West drafted Troy Bell and Dhantay Jones right ahead of David West and Boris Diaw. The next summer West signed free agent Brian Cardinal to a Jerome-sized contract minus any James-sized ridicule. Besides Rudy Gay, little was received in return from this starting five [1].

In 2007, West resigned, and Memphis is currently 10-21.

3) NO TRADE CHIPS:

2003 Knicks: Only Kurt Thomas was tradable with a reasonable salary. McDyess was coming off 2nd major surgery, Charlie Ward’s Heisman trophy had no trade value, and Michael Doleac just wasn’t creating that buzz. Isiah’s only viable trade options were draft picks and exchanging expiring contracts for longer ones.

Rest of NBA: Unheard of.

What Would a RealGM Do? The Sacramento Kings Geoff Petrie had Mike Bibby, Peja Stojakovic, Brad Miller, and Gerald Wallace. Only Miller remains, as Petrie was ultimately only able to parlay the rest into Shelden Williams and a 1st round pick [2]. Today the Kings reside at 7 – 24, and Petrie remains employed.

Roster Reality: Isiah left new Knick GM Donnie Walsh at least seven tradable players and several options. Last month Walsh was able to trade Jamal Crawford because he wasn’t Jamaal Tinsley [3]. Walsh also traded Zach Randolph for shorter contracts. How? Because talented players are tradable.

4) NO SALARY CAP SPACE: 


2003 Knicks: Isiah inherited a long-term commitment to the NBA’s highest payroll. On day 1, Allan Houston and Keith Van Horn alone were on the books for $35 million – the 2006 books! Houston’s bum knee would soon end his career, but not his monster paychecks. Well-paid men named Howard Eisley, Shandon Anderson, and Clarence Weatherspoon were only tradable through absorbing larger contracts.

Rest of NBA: Only a handful of 2003 teams were significantly over the cap, and only one other team approached Knicks stratosphere.

What Would a RealGM Do? After an impressive first year, the Bulls’ John Paxson was quickly hailed as a shrewd decision-maker, could be found cracking “top 5” in media GM rankings, and was a great example of “rebuilding the right way” – by clearing salary cap space. His $60 million 2006 signing of an old Ben Wallace coupled with giving away a young Tyson Chandler highlighted a series of terrible moves and non-moves that would eliminate the Bulls from perennial title contention. Luckily for Paxson, a ping-pong ball with Derrick Rose’s name on it will likely save his career.


Roster Reality: The notion that Knick media and fans would wait three or four years while Isiah just shed salary to make a free agent-run at “grand prizes” Ben Wallace or Rashard Lewis is more absurd than Houston’s $100 million contract. Building teams via free agency has been a media induced myth, however 2010 represents a once in a generation exception. Given the depth of that potential free agent crop, Walsh’s strategy to land a big fish or two has promise. Had he inherited the 2003 Knicks in 2008, clearing 2010 space would be impossible – sort of like the current situation in Indiana.


 5) NO YOUNG TALENT (25 and under):

2003 Young Knicks: Mike Sweetney, Frank Williams, Maciej Lampe, and Slavko Vranes 2008 Young Knicks: David Lee, Nate Robinson, Wilson Chandler, Renaldo Balkman, and Mardy Collins

Rest of NBA: Most of the NBA had at least 2-3 young players still valuable today. By 2004, even the expansion Bobcats of Emeka Okafor, Gerald Wallace, and Jason Kapono had a far superior young talent before playing a single game.

What Would a RealGM Do? Ironically, the worst management performance over the last five years was probably by Donnie Walsh-Larry Bird’s Indiana Pacers [4]. The 2003-2004 title-contending squad had still young trio of Jermaine O’Neal, Ron Artest, and Al Harrington. These three have become the well-paid Mike Dunleavy, Troy Murphy, and TJ Ford – all solid enough to sustain continued mediocrity thru 2011.

Roster Reality: Unlike Miami’s young Caron Butler and Lamar Odom, Sweetney and Lampe weren’t going to land Shaquille O’Neal.

6) NO PATIENCE: 
 2003 Knick Climate: The 1990s annual playoff runs spoiled Knicks fans. Today, local media waxes poetic about the glorious “Ewing Era”, but on the day he was traded, the New York Post had “GOOD RIDDANCE” as its back page headline. Tough town… I know. However, this era was followed by the brutal Scott Layden era from 2000 – 2003. The only center from Georgetown still around was Othella Harrington – who Layden obtained with a 1st round pick. Knick fans were completely demoralized, and Patrick Ewing wasn’t going to walk through that door. But Isiah Thomas would.

Rest of NBA: Philadelphia is like the Bahamas next to the pressure cooker reserved for Isiah.

NYC Reality: Thomas immediately obtained Stephon Marbury for two draft picks (first used on Kirk Snyder in 2004), and virtually every Knick fan was cheering. Today it is popular not only to denigrate that trade, but the strategy itself. Today many say today that Thomas should have “rebuilt through the draft” (he is a great drafter), and that he didn’t “have a long-term plan”. This all sounds pretty and nice, but has absolutely no basis in reality at that time, in that city, with that media, in that climate. Despite no trade bait, Thomas had to make a big splash and make it soon or he would have been run out of town in two years for “doing nothing”. Simply losing games and rebuilding through the draft was not - an - option. New York ain’t Atlanta, patience wasn’t a virtue then, and amnesia is not one now.

Pop Quiz: If you move into a penthouse, and I move into a crack-house, and five years later you can’t tell the difference – who is the better housekeeper?

Don’t answer that. Because if you do, some of your favorite GMs might get double the scorn as Isiah. I would never wish that on Larry Bird. I’d much rather keep talking and reading about what a great draft pick Donnie Walsh made over 20 years ago! And while discussing Reggie Miller, Thomas deserves an updated evaluation with updated hindsight.

The impact of Isiah’s GM mistakes has always been grossly overrated [5], and effect of his terrible coaching (and Larry Brown’s) vastly underrated [6]. Isiah’s biggest GM errors were ones of chemistry (see Steve Francis and Randolph trades). But GMs who move into abandoned buildings can be forgiven for collecting furniture at garage sales that might not match. Talent can always be swapped for other talent to improve chemistry. Rarely is the reverse true. While Isiah did a lot of the dirty work, few in media acknowledged his toxic working conditions [7].

Now Donnie Walsh, who received a free media ride since Day 1, is the beneficiary. Many will allow Donnie to wait until 2010 and credit him for “having a plan” (at least 572 Mike Lupica articles anyway). But Walsh could only swap for Al Harrington because Isiah was able to obtain Jamal Crawford with Othella Harrington (and others). Losing Kurt Thomas for Nate Robinson meant fewer wins for Isiah, and future wins for Donnie. The trade for Malik Rose brought ridicule at the time, but that draft pick became David Lee. Thomas left Donnie Walsh a far more talented, tradable, and younger team than the one he received. The before-and-after photos show that Thomas has been a good GM.

Since losses were inevitable under any GM, the only other fair measure is NBA history. Jerry Krause’s post-Jordan 1999 Bulls is the last similarly putrid roster on record – and they averaged 19 losses for the next six years. The post Bird-McHale-Reggie Lewis Celtics of ’93-94 also had an all-time pathetic squad – and would not taste more than 36 wins for the next eight years. Do we really need to talk about the Clippers’ 25 year run? Without that lucky #1 pick in one of those special years, NBA history sends a clear message:

Red Auerbach on steroids couldn’t have rebuilt the 2003 Knicks in five years.

Impatient fans really don’t want to hear this, but Isiah Thomas did his job. But he will likely never overcome his greatest mistake of all:

He took the job.

Charles Modiano or “MODI” regularly writes at Sports on My Mind, and can be reached at modi@cosellout.com

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[1] Since West resigned in 2007, some trades (see Pau Gasol) were made after his departure.

[2] This represents a trade “translation”. Example: Peja was traded for Artest who who was then traded for a #1 pick.

[3] Indiana’s Tinsley was signed to a long-term contract by Walsh-Bird. The point guard is currently being paid NOT to play despite another three years on his contract. Sounds familiar…

[4] Walsh and Bird have been combined because it is unclear who had a greater hand in many decisions.

[5] The pre-2010 salary cap is meaningless; Jerome James cost nothing but a 12th spot, and if you reversed the Eddy Curry trade (includes Wilson Chandler), the Knicks would likely be in the same place. In terms of quality players lost, one could argue Isiah’s only significant error was drafting Channing Frye ahead of Andrew Bynum. At the time, most experts and fans who disagreed with the pick wanted Gerald Green selected.

[6] Although D’Antoni had essentially the same pieces the Knicks got off to a promising start this year before the Crawford/Randolph trades. While the trades were made for 2010, the fast and exciting start indicated that the team was miscoached the previous three years.

[7] There were few media exceptions who wrote much about the 2003 Knicks roster. While this column was spawned from a shorter 2007 piece other exceptions include Chicago’s Sam Smith, and RealGM's Chris Reina.


[Edited by - thegame on 31-12-2008 08:40]
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12/31/2008  8:57 AM
IT was the worst sports executive in the history of all professional leagues.

The true clincher is the deviation of spending. They deviated so far form the salary cap with a team so bad, so dysfunctional it warrants its own miniseries.

A 5 year comedy of error.

He even provided a fitting end with his overdose drama and blamed his daughter instead.

A true and true piece of crap.
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12/31/2008  9:24 AM
THis guy is an idiot. Do you remember that site cosellout or whatever? Same guy. Isiah apologist.
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12/31/2008  9:31 AM
Isiah was as bottom of the barrel as they get. His drafting was not consistent. He never drafted that true stud, although he did draft a couple of solid players. That Frye over Bynum blunder crosses everything out though. His trades were horrible. His free agent signings were horrible. The funny thing is, his basketball decisions were what bothered me THE LEAST. It was his constant disrespect to EVERYBODY. He took the owner for a fool (Which he is, but when you're getting paid millions, you don't do that), he snapped at the media all of the time, took shots at the fans, seemingly treated employees horrible and made excuses for the team night in and night out. He took the fans and media for fools as well with his constant excuses, and attempting to point blame elsewhere.

If I never hear of Isiah for the rest of my life, I will be happy.
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12/31/2008  9:33 AM
The embarrassment he and Marbs brought to the franchise yearly was worth the price of admission. I love Isiah
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12/31/2008  9:54 AM
I look at it like this. Does the team have more talent now than it did with IT took over? I think that question has to be answered with a "yes." Does that cancel out all the negative things IT did? I think the answer to that question is "no." IT added some solid young pieces and made Walsh's job easier than the job he inherited, but the embarrassment that he caused to the franchise along with the terrible FA signings and trades really made his stint here a clear F (or D if you want to be generous). The only good thing he did was his drafting. Other than missing out on Bynum, which several other GMs did also, he got the most value for our late round draft picks. Other than that, I cannot say he did anything else positive for the franchise. I liked IT as a player, but he was an terrible GM (although not as bad as McHale, who is THE WORST GM in the NBA).
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12/31/2008  10:24 AM
Maybe Isiah could attach that to his resume when his Knick contract ends. Even Magic called Isiah out for his horrible mishandling of everything he touched in NY. What a way to end the year, a positivie Isiah article and a blog by Marbury.
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12/31/2008  10:30 AM
Finally a fair and balanced appraisal of Isiah's tenure. Isiah Thomas and Stephon Marbury were the best thing to ever happen to the Knicks, culminating in the sexual harassment trial of 2007. That kind of entertainment doesn't come along everyday. We won't see their like again any time soon.

Years from now, you guys will be able to see it the way Charles Modiano and I do. You will be nostalgic for the Isiah Era.


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12/31/2008  10:45 AM
The article is too easy on him, and ignores a lot of things... however...

He did draft better than most. (Look what happened after he left)

He did assemble talent.

If we had a coach like Mike D before Isiah spiraled downward, this may have gone much much better.

The guy should have let his first trades settle a while too before blowing the team up again.

That team with Marbs, KT and Doleac running pick and roll all game every game wasn't the most exciting thing in the world, but they won at a solid clip. If he had just drafted players into that team... who knows...
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12/31/2008  10:55 AM
The funny part is that most of you people defended Isiah for at least his first 3 years, when he did his most damage.
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12/31/2008  11:06 AM
If the job description for a GM/President/Coach was simply

-Find late first round draft picks that can contribute

than Isiah did a very good job.

Unfortunately the Job Description for a GM/President/Coach was far more extensive
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12/31/2008  11:38 AM

Its all subjective I suppose.

Isiah, like most GM's in place 4.5 years is going to do a few good things.

Even when he was good he was bad. Got Reezy but was not patient. Got a HOF starphuch coach but the wrong guy for the wrong team. Its all been written many times.

He is gone.

Somebody needs to write this book!

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12/31/2008  11:43 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Somebody needs to write this book!

Give it a few years - I'm sure there'll be a book and maybe even a documentary on ESPN.
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12/31/2008  11:46 AM
The only thing that I get from this article is that Layden is in equal standing with Isiah when it comes managing a team. Zeke is just more colorful.
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12/31/2008  1:05 PM
I think Isiah was much worse than Layden because of his behavior towards others. The sexual harrassment lawsuit, the treatment of Don Chaney, the treatment of some players (i.e. Mutoumbo, Nichols,), the treatment of Lenny Wilkins, the calling out of the fans, throwing his signature players (Curry and Marbury) under the bus in an attempt to save his skin, the racist statements, blaming the fans for the losing, getting into it with the fans behind the bench. The Knicks were known as an organization that lacked professionalism and class during Isiah's reign.
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Posted by Bippity10:

If the job description for a GM/President/Coach was simply

-Find late first round draft picks that can contribute

than Isiah did a very good job.

Unfortunately the Job Description for a GM/President/Coach was far more extensive

One of his biggest mistakes was listening to Dolan and hiring that jackass Larry Brown. That's right I said it.
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12/31/2008  1:07 PM
Don Chaney was not a good coach but he didn't deserve what happened to him on his last day. That was way out of line.
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12/31/2008  1:15 PM
Modiano must not be a regular reader of this forum. If he was he would be sure to mention the unprotected pick in 2010 that Utah acquired from the Knicks.
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12/31/2008  1:35 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I think Isiah was much worse than Layden because of his behavior towards others. The sexual harrassment lawsuit, the treatment of Don Chaney, the treatment of some players (i.e. Mutoumbo, Nichols,), the treatment of Lenny Wilkins, the calling out of the fans, throwing his signature players (Curry and Marbury) under the bus in an attempt to save his skin, the racist statements, blaming the fans for the losing, getting into it with the fans behind the bench. The Knicks were known as an organization that lacked professionalism and class during Isiah's reign.

Exactly. Plenty of other GMs, if given unlimited budgetary and discretionary constraints, could have scoured the league for reclamation projects and put a talented cuckoo's nest of instability and incompatibility on the floor. But few could have rained equal imprudence throughout the organization, making us an international spectacle of dysfunction for which this franchise will be remembered for generations to come.
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12/31/2008  2:00 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I think Isiah was much worse than Layden because of his behavior towards others. The sexual harrassment lawsuit, the treatment of Don Chaney, the treatment of some players (i.e. Mutoumbo, Nichols,), the treatment of Lenny Wilkins, the calling out of the fans, throwing his signature players (Curry and Marbury) under the bus in an attempt to save his skin, the racist statements, blaming the fans for the losing, getting into it with the fans behind the bench. The Knicks were known as an organization that lacked professionalism and class during Isiah's reign.

I think some of this is unfair...what did he do to Mutumbo or Nichols that was so bad?

Layden was worse, because his roster decisions seemed to be completely fueled by his wack ass, backwards, Mormon mentality. To each his own, to argue who was worse would be like arguing who you would rather bang: Nancy Grace or Rosie O'Donnell.

The article was a good one --- I know you Zeke haters are that anybody would try to take a measured look at his run here...He did inherit an absolute mess and dog chit of a roster. But he was given a respectable grace period and an insane amount of latitude and resources. His tenure was defined by the mind-numbing Curry trade which was just awful and completely sunk him. He couldnt recover from that. The sexual harassment stuff was just icing.

Zeke just failed and deserved the ax. Dont know what more I can say.
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