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holfresh
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12/28/2008  7:16 PM

He knows it's difficult playing in New York, they just need to play through it...Is this guy coaching the home team or the away team...
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12/28/2008  7:20 PM
What is wrong with what he said?

It is difficult playing in New York and they do need to play it through the boo's that rein down.
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12/28/2008  7:32 PM
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Posted by holfresh:


He knows it's difficult playing in New York, they just need to play through it...Is this guy coaching the home team or the away team...


Just an ill-informed opinion from someone who has not been here. Ny fans have been very good despite being bad for 7+ years. I heard lets go Knicks and every chance that the fans are given to help the team--they do it. If they boo once in awhile I think it's a reasonable sign too--how many times can you be down double digits while making fans pay high prices. Dantoni has been a here a few months----there are fans who know the town and the the fans 1000 times better than him. Ny is a good place to play and he shouldnt intimate otherwise in any respect. I think he needs to shut his own mouth and play a better fundmanetal style and make sure he reigns in poor performance with a quick hook. I almost pisred my pants when Al Harrington came in and took an off balanced three two seconds later---where is the coach there? The style of play the coach runs is a finesse style and since he doenst like guys who clog the middle they will have trouble on D all the time. Lets face it they had a fantasy team when he was in Pheonix--a once in a lifetime type team. Pat Riley wouldve won a championship with that type of team with slight modification. We still took 35 3s today--who's fault is that--who is responsible? The coach is letting it happen so he is culpable.

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12/28/2008  7:39 PM
What is this garbage? Who the hell tells a team that? So if this was OKC we'd have a few more wins because "it's easier to play elsewhere".???

Wow.......ridiculous.

What is so hard to understand here though? This was a team full of trash, that has now been halfway gutted, with nothing on it's mind except the chance to start building a contender 18 months from now.

Suddenly losing is a problem? LOL!

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12/28/2008  7:59 PM
It is not Phoenix and he has to be ready for the media scrutiny and criticism that comes with the job. He did not handle criticism well in Phoenix. He maybe speaking for himself when he says NY is a tough place to play. Most of the guys he is coaching no all about playing here.
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12/28/2008  8:04 PM
That's just an incredibly stupid thing to say. It's like he's blaming the fans for their play and instilling an "us against the world, including our fanbase" mentality. Why would he say something like that? It doesn't make any sense and has no basis in reality. Knicks fans have been nothing but supportive since D'Antoni and Walsh have been hired.

The season isn't even 2 months old and D'Antoni is already taking on the fan base. He doesn't get NY and is quickly proving that he's not cut out for this city. He's a small town guy who needs to be in a smaller market where the media and the fans will eat up everything he says and does.

D'Antoni needs to develop a thicker skin, understand NY better and start coaching the damn team instead of giving them, and himself, excuses for their poor play.
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12/28/2008  9:38 PM
didn't Isiah make similar excuses remarks?
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12/28/2008  10:03 PM
Posted by McK1:

didn't Isiah make similar excuses remarks?

It's almost not worth discussing based off hofresh's reporting. He provides no context (like the question D' was asked) and D's answer is not in quotes, so who knows how accurate it is? But just for kicks and giggles lets take a look...

Isiah got into an exchange with fans during a loss and blamed them for the missed free throws and layups saying our team was disadvantaged by not having a "6th man", referring to the fans. This tells his players it's okay to blame the fans for their failings.

By the looks of it D'antoni was probably asked how he prepares his players for a hostile home crowd and he tells them it's their job to play through it. I don't see blame or excuses there, I see him telling them such excuses are unacceptable.

[Edited by - blueseats on 12-28-2008 10:04 PM]
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12/28/2008  10:11 PM
Isiah went much farther, accusing the fans of being responsible for the team losing because they were not supportive. However, Isiah did this when he was in a throw everyone under the bus to save his skin mode. Mike D' is doing this very early on. I think it is a big concern because he did not handle criticism well in Phoenix and this was one of the reasons that he left. One of my worries when he was hired was that he would not handle the media scrutiny and pressure well. This really is just the beginning of the emotional roller coaster ride Knicks coaches go through with the fan base and media. He has been given a pass up to this point because he followed one of the worst coach/gms in the history of sports. The current losing streak has begun the focus on the (pick) negative, gimmicky, or less traditional style and coaching method he employs. His short practice after the Minnesota game was covered, and there has been an increase in references to the lack of defense played by his team. I was not a fan of his hiring but I have been impressed with some of what he has brought to the team this year and I have alot more respect for him. It will be interesting to see how he handles the scrutiny and the growing pains of a rebuilding team in NY for the rest of the year.
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12/28/2008  10:17 PM
d'antoni hasn't lost at this clip in over 5 years. i'm sure he's getting frustrated just like larry was after his back to back finals appearances. it will be interesting to see how he reacts/behaves as the season goes on, especially if no more moves are made. i just don't think he likes too many players on this team...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 12-28-2008 10:22 PM]
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12/28/2008  10:45 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

d'antoni hasn't lost at this clip in over 5 years. i'm sure he's getting frustrated just like larry was after his back to back finals appearances. it will be interesting to see how he reacts/behaves as the season goes on, especially if no more moves are made. i just don't think he likes too many players on this team...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 12-28-2008 10:22 PM]

I wouldn't either. Right now this team is filled with garbage, but hey that's what happens when you rebuild.
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12/28/2008  10:50 PM
It is interesting that he has begun talking about playing defense. He seems to be realizing that when you have a team of guys who are not capable of playing at an elite level offensively that defense could play a role in their success. I hope that practices are longer than the 20 minute practices Grant Hill talked about and that at least part of them are spent working on defense.
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12/28/2008  10:52 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

It is interesting that he has begun talking about playing defense. He seems to be realizing that when you have a team of guys who are not capable of playing at an elite level offensively that defense could play a role in their success. I hope that practices are longer than the 20 minute practices Grant Hill talked about and that at least part of them are spent working on defense.

MikeD is a gamer and he only wants to win games, which is a great thing. That is how you want your coach to be, I honestly don't think MikeD would care one iota about D if he had some good offensive players on this team, I think what he does realize is that he has a bunch of crappy players on this team and the only chance they have at winning is by playing more D. MikeD hates to lose and wants to win every game, nothing wrong with that.
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12/29/2008  12:43 AM
I agree that you want a coach who wants to win. But I think that a coach two months into his tenure who is saying to his players I know our hometown is a tough place to play is a concern. When you factor in that he left his last job partially because he was being criticized and his system was being questioned I think it is a bigger concern. If he begins to teach defense, has longer practices to install his offense the way he wants it, recognizes the importance of a post presence, and becomes more of an authority figure for his immature team then I will be happy. He is going to have to toughen up to withstand the media and fan scrutiny in NY.
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12/29/2008  12:47 AM
Besides holfresh hating D'Antoni since the moment he was hired, there are several people here already souring on him for no apparent reason. Who cares what he says or does now? Let's see what happens when we actually have a real team. If the same kind of play and talk is occurring, then we can pile on on him.
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12/29/2008  1:06 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by McK1:

didn't Isiah make similar excuses remarks?

It's almost not worth discussing based off hofresh's reporting. He provides no context (like the question D' was asked) and D's answer is not in quotes, so who knows how accurate it is? But just for kicks and giggles lets take a look...

Isiah got into an exchange with fans during a loss and blamed them for the missed free throws and layups saying our team was disadvantaged by not having a "6th man", referring to the fans. This tells his players it's okay to blame the fans for their failings.

By the looks of it D'antoni was probably asked how he prepares his players for a hostile home crowd and he tells them it's their job to play through it. I don't see blame or excuses there, I see him telling them such excuses are unacceptable.

[Edited by - blueseats on 12-28-2008 10:04 PM]


exactly... From the way I see it, he is telling the players, to suck it up and get the job done...
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12/29/2008  1:10 AM
I think the quote indicates that there should be some concern with how Mike D' handles the pressure of NY. He had a tough time in Phoenix when he began to be criticized. It really isn't related to or about the current roster.
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12/29/2008  1:26 AM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I think the quote indicates that there should be some concern with how Mike D' handles the pressure of NY. He had a tough time in Phoenix when he began to be criticized. It really isn't related to or about the current roster.

The more I hear this the more I think it's morphing into some kind of urban legend. My understanding is that he left Phoenix because of mutual dissatisfaction between himself and management, not because of negative fan or media attention.
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12/29/2008  1:58 AM
I think like anything there is some truth and there is some exageration. I heard that D' was asked to focus more on defense and he was very offended by this. I think that is accurate and I think it is why he is not in Chicago. I think he is more sensitive to criticism then alot of coaches and in Phoenix he began to be criticized in the media despite his tremendous success there in the past and it affected him.
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12/29/2008  2:19 AM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I think like anything there is some truth and there is some exageration. I heard that D' was asked to focus more on defense and he was very offended by this. I think that is accurate and I think it is why he is not in Chicago. I think he is more sensitive to criticism then alot of coaches and in Phoenix he began to be criticized in the media despite his tremendous success there in the past and it affected him.

I think that is a more accurate rendering of the situation.

Kerr, who has spoken of having future coaching ambitions of his own, was telling D'Antoni how to coach. Few .700 winning percentage coaches like being told how to do their job by a novice GM with no coaching experience.

It's not at all related to "the pressure of NY". When Walsh is telling him who to play and how to coach we can start worrying - but that's the case between just about any coach and GM.
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