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12/22/2008  2:08 PM
Everyone is harping on Chandler's offensive numbers being down. I see it a little different. He is focusing his effort on a specific role/need. He is becoming a tough defender and is concentrating on that role. In time, his offensive numbers will come back to where they were and he will even start to grab more rebounds. This kid can be the 2/3 who's big enough and quick enough to guard 2's like Kobe. He doesn't look quick enough to be a slasher so I'd look to see him continue to develop his outside shot and continue to be a develop into a defensive force. It certainly looks like MDA has a role for him and he will continue to grow into it. Just my dos centavos, once again, I could be completely wrong.
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12/22/2008  2:09 PM
chandler's knee doesn't look strong enough to handle 30 mpg...
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12/22/2008  2:16 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

chandler's knee doesn't look strong enough to handle 30 mpg...

why do you keep saying his knee? I haven't seen/heard one thing that would point that way.
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12/22/2008  2:17 PM
Chandler is a nice role player on a good team.
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12/22/2008  2:19 PM
Listen, I spent my first 7 years out on the West Coast so I consider myself an expert on Wilson Chandler. He looks like he has hit the wall. Essentially he's a rookie and this is what a rookie sometimes goes through. If he breaks through that will tell you something about Wilson. If he doesn't, it may tell you something about him as well.
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12/22/2008  2:21 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by djsunyc:

chandler's knee doesn't look strong enough to handle 30 mpg...

why do you keep saying his knee? I haven't seen/heard one thing that would point that way.

didn't he sprain his left knee last year causing him to miss a month? and then re-sprained it in training camp this year?
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12/22/2008  2:22 PM
His IQ is very questionable. He has Balkman like brain farts on the court. I like what he does in the flow of our whatever it is we do but some of his synapses aren't firing correctly.
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12/22/2008  2:22 PM
Last three games he's been atrocious. Two games before that one..more of the same.
Him and Harrington went from great to trash in a hurry. Makes you wonder why though.
There is this stomach virus thing that Breen said is going throughout the NBA. Maybe some guys have gotten sick and are just playing through it but are gassed from it.

It's hard to understand why two players who were doing so well suddenly do so poorly. They're getting the same shots in the same general offensive flow.

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Harrington's last 4 games: 8-22, 4-14, 6-17, 2-15.... 20-68 for 29%. That's CrawTastic right there.


Wilson Chandler is also playing like trash here. 3-10, 3-8, 1-7 over his past three for 7-25 - 28%.

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Not sure what to make of it. Harrington has been known to be inconsistent and maybe that is showing but it's too short of a sample to really see what's going on. Chandler on the other hand I don't get what's happened to him. Tired from extended minutes? If he is then he's of no use to our future as would anyone here be that's too tired to play well anymore.

I think it needs to be given a further evaluation. We get five days off so that ends the "tired" excuse. We then play the Wolves, Nuggets, Bobcats, Pacers. No back to back nights. If we're not 3-1 or at least 2-2 from that stretch then maybe the team has given up mentally after all these "Moral Victories" of hanging close with some tough teams.

In some ways this can be looked at as a further weeding out process. The short rotation is forcing guys to stand up and fight and those that can't will be discarded because they won't be part of a winning franchise in the future.

No big deal overall, we're not going anywhere this or next year.
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12/22/2008  2:24 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by djsunyc:

chandler's knee doesn't look strong enough to handle 30 mpg...

why do you keep saying his knee? I haven't seen/heard one thing that would point that way.

yeah that is kinda strange.. How do you "see" if someones knee is strong? Its not like hes limping out there
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12/22/2008  2:25 PM
also, Chandlers defense has been great... he contests just about every shot he is within 5 feet of
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12/22/2008  2:28 PM
i think chandler has some skill but the lift isn't there in his game. and when a player's legs start feeling the wear and tear, their shot stop falling. and that's what looks to be happening to chandler. rookie walls usually hit in february, not in mid december. i think this is more of a health thing.
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12/22/2008  2:29 PM
The biggest problem with Chandler is Al Harrington that mofo shoots to much.
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12/22/2008  2:31 PM
Chandler scouting report:

"That hardly tells the entire story, though, as a good amount of the blame for his lack of production has to fall on his shoulders as well. For most of his basketball career, the biggest knock against Chandler has always been his tendency to coast through games and not assert himself. He’s an extremely reserved, quiet person off the court, and this unsurprisingly lends itself perfectly onto the basketball court as well. Too often he will just camp outside on the perimeter and wait for the game to come to him, rather than make a commitment to utilize his awesome physical tools to make things happen inside."

He could be hurt, coasting or simply has hit a rookie wall, accepting his role. Tough to tell at this point. It does seem at times that he isn't being aggressive. I think this is part of his mental make up. It's a tough thing to battle through, to learn how to bring it every night.
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12/22/2008  2:37 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Chandler scouting report:

"That hardly tells the entire story, though, as a good amount of the blame for his lack of production has to fall on his shoulders as well. For most of his basketball career, the biggest knock against Chandler has always been his tendency to coast through games and not assert himself. He’s an extremely reserved, quiet person off the court, and this unsurprisingly lends itself perfectly onto the basketball court as well. Too often he will just camp outside on the perimeter and wait for the game to come to him, rather than make a commitment to utilize his awesome physical tools to make things happen inside."

He could be hurt, coasting or simply has hit a rookie wall, accepting his role. Tough to tell at this point. It does seem at times that he isn't being aggressive. I think this is part of his mental make up. It's a tough thing to battle through, to learn how to bring it every night.

I don't buy into that. I think Harrington is hording up all the shots for the entire front court. Someone needs to tell Harrington to step the f' back on taking all the ridiculous shots there are other players on the floor. Chandlers drop in production is also D'Antoni's fault too, he needs to tell Chandler be aggressive until it becomes second nature to him.
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12/22/2008  2:40 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by Bippity10:

Chandler scouting report:

"That hardly tells the entire story, though, as a good amount of the blame for his lack of production has to fall on his shoulders as well. For most of his basketball career, the biggest knock against Chandler has always been his tendency to coast through games and not assert himself. He’s an extremely reserved, quiet person off the court, and this unsurprisingly lends itself perfectly onto the basketball court as well. Too often he will just camp outside on the perimeter and wait for the game to come to him, rather than make a commitment to utilize his awesome physical tools to make things happen inside."

He could be hurt, coasting or simply has hit a rookie wall, accepting his role. Tough to tell at this point. It does seem at times that he isn't being aggressive. I think this is part of his mental make up. It's a tough thing to battle through, to learn how to bring it every night.

I don't buy into that. I think Harrington is hording up all the shots for the entire front court. Someone needs to tell Harrington to step the f' back on taking all the ridiculous shots there are other players on the floor. Chandlers drop in production is also D'Antoni's fault too, he needs to tell Chandler be aggressive until it becomes second nature to him.

So you say it's not that he's not being aggressive it's just that Harrington is being more aggressive. And it's not part of his make-up it's that D'Antoni is not telling him to be more aggressive.

makes no sense to me. Right now Harrington is the most aggressive offensive person. Chandler is one of the least aggressive. In this offense the shots are there. He doesn't take them. And if he's taking a step back because of his role then why hasn't his reboudning improved?

He's either injured, tired or not giving the same effort.
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12/22/2008  2:40 PM
his point guard sucks
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12/22/2008  2:44 PM
Yeah, Harringtons addition has caused Chandler to take a step back but Chandler is still getting plenty of shots. Maybe Chandler is just a better 4 than a 3? Not that you'd want to pencil in Chandler as your starting 4 but he seemed to start playing better when he was.

Overall though we must understand that Chandler is at best a bench player in the NBA on a good team. So to expect a lot from him would be foolish.

He showed us flashes and now those flashes are something we expect to be the norm. Probably wrong on our part.

Still though, he's getting the shots, he's simply not hitting them. He absolutely has stopped being aggressive though. When's the last rim rocker from him? I can't recall. Seems content to shoot jumpers. Yet, is that all him or part on the coaching plan? I dunno.

Certainly in a terrible shooting slump though.
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12/22/2008  2:44 PM
I dont think Wilson is a great shooter and I dont think he is strong enough to play inside. If they envision him playing the four someday he will have to get more than 5 rebounds a game. No one on this team is playing great defense and Wilson scores by spotting up and shooting jumpers.
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12/22/2008  2:46 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by Bippity10:

Chandler scouting report:

"That hardly tells the entire story, though, as a good amount of the blame for his lack of production has to fall on his shoulders as well. For most of his basketball career, the biggest knock against Chandler has always been his tendency to coast through games and not assert himself. He’s an extremely reserved, quiet person off the court, and this unsurprisingly lends itself perfectly onto the basketball court as well. Too often he will just camp outside on the perimeter and wait for the game to come to him, rather than make a commitment to utilize his awesome physical tools to make things happen inside."

He could be hurt, coasting or simply has hit a rookie wall, accepting his role. Tough to tell at this point. It does seem at times that he isn't being aggressive. I think this is part of his mental make up. It's a tough thing to battle through, to learn how to bring it every night.

I don't buy into that. I think Harrington is hording up all the shots for the entire front court. Someone needs to tell Harrington to step the f' back on taking all the ridiculous shots there are other players on the floor. Chandlers drop in production is also D'Antoni's fault too, he needs to tell Chandler be aggressive until it becomes second nature to him.

So you say it's not that he's not being aggressive it's just that Harrington is being more aggressive. And it's not part of his make-up it's that D'Antoni is not telling him to be more aggressive.

makes no sense to me. Right now Harrington is the most aggressive offensive person. Chandler is one of the least aggressive. In this offense the shots are there. He doesn't take them. And if he's taking a step back because of his role then why hasn't his rebouding improved?

He's either injured, tired or not giving the same effort.


Just an observation but I have noticed that chandler is trying to make others on the team better. He has had some pretty good assists. There is a fine line between aggressive and being overly aggressive i think Harrington has crossed it to the point where it is a detriment to the Knicks. He is jacking up to many shots they aren't qualtiy shots either or his shooting percentage would be much better.
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12/22/2008  2:50 PM
he shouldn't be spotting up waiting for a duhon kick-out.

either his point guard sucks at running the O or his coach sucks at calling the plays.

Since the Nash teams scored plenty in the paint running Mike's offense, I'd say playing with Chris is the problem
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