Posted by purple012870:

This is the stupidest post I have ever read on this site.

Agreed.

Wow Playa, I guess you must know him personally to speak that way about him. And since you run to the defense of Chaney and Layden all the time I guess you are boys with them too? Maybe you are the one who has been fooled but Dolan & Co. JVG was a good coach to NY - he did quit on us without any notice which is a dark spot on his resume, however he was a solid coach and much better than Chaney will ever be.

Oasis, you answered your own doubts when you said VG has 1 dark spot on his resume. Rosen said the guy was secretive and manipulative he was a kiss azz coach who got credit for being in the right place at the right time thanks to Pat Ewing and not his own coaching resume. He purchases his players loyalty by kissing their butts and now he got Ewing playing asst coach for him LOL . I know dolan is goofed up and Layden is also, but the reason why we have to deal with them is mainly jeff fault. What jeff helped do was throw the direction of the team out the window! How do you think we made the finals? The guys jeff didn't want to play was the ones that Grunfeld praised and they led the knicks to the finals that yr. He was so stubborn and arrogant we almost didn't play those guys, thank God for injuries. Because of him, we have Scott Layden as GM, did you forget that HE HIMSELF GOT GRUNFELD canned? He weasled his way in AS HEAD COACH just like the charlie rosen article says. Because of VG butt kissing ways the knicks old GM (GRUNFELD)who was just about to give the knicks a new direction had to walk AND THIS IS WHEN OUR TEAM WENT DOWN HILL. Now if you wanna continue to close your eyes to these truths then do so, I for one won't forget his shady moves to get our (old)gm fired and then he walks out on our team 19 games into the season and some of you think he was the messiah or something. Riley faxes over his RESIGNATION and he's a (RAT), Vandummy pulls his crap and he is forgiven, so in reality he was the one that started our down fall by not leaving the organization himself, instead his (EGO) caused Layden to fall in our laps!

[Edited by - playa2 on 10/20/2003 07:49:58]

Everytime JVG makes the news either you or myself Gony has something to POST about him, so don't come on here trying to fool people that I am obsessed with him AND YOU NEVER GO OUT YOUR WAY POST ANYTHING ABOUT THE GUY. You would post anything said positive about JVG even if he drove his daughter to school and I would post anything negative about him, yea those secretive things the average fans knows nothing about. All I can say to you is this, the time has come for Jeff to be "EXPOSED", because FINALLY he is out from under the veteran leadership teams he had while being successuful coaching the knicks. He has never coached away from NY, HIS SCHEMES FOR PLAYERS HAS NEVER BEEN ACCEPTED OUTSIDE OF THE KNICKS ORGANIZATION. Those in the know understands he won games, but like the writer Rosen brings out VANDUMMY'S OFFENSE IS SIMPLISTIC AND WILL DRIVE FRANCIS AND MOBLEY CRAZY! Rosen has no bias towards jeff and he just so happen to bring out the same things I have exposed about this guy. I wanna hear what you say when this team eventually underachieves with vandummy as coach. What jeff was helped throw the direction of the team out the window! Because of him we have Layden did you forget that? He weasled his way in just like the Charlie Rosen article says. He's manipulative and arrogant to boot. Because of his butt kissing ways the (old)GM GRUNFELD who was about to give the knicks a new direction had to walk, AND THIS IS WHEN OUR TEAM WENT DOWNHILL. Now if you wanna continue to close your eyes to these truths then do so, I for one, won't forget his shady moves to get our (old)gm fired and himself exalted, then he walks out on our team 19 games into the season and some of you think he was the messiah or something.



[Edited by - playa2 on 10/20/2003 07:54:04]

Where is this article anyway? I can't find Rosen on Page 2 of the ESPN site anymore. I guess they got sick of his drivel too?

POST THE LINK

it will never get posted GONY, it wasn't a real article.

eating crow ala mode !!! lol... playa

Look - Camby and Spree were obtained by Ernie.

Camby was dealt because he was too fragile.
Spree was dealt because his skills were on the downswing, and he was playing out of position, AND the fact that he clashed with management and then tried to make himself look like an angel.

Ernie did a decent job in NY. Ernie did a poor job in Milwaukee.

The Knicks were not about Ernie, Layden, JVG. They were about Checketts. Once he was gone because Dolan Junior wanted some limelight, the knicks fell, and fell big. But the knicks were on their downward fall before that. Remember when the Knicks got bounced by the raps from the 1st round? On a team that had no McGrady? That was the sign...

In addition, Brown is a fickle coach... he's going to want to trade about half of his roster in the next year.