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12/18/2008  1:44 PM
Given current projections, seven teams -- the Oklahoma City Thunder, the Memphis Grizzlies, the Portland Trail Blazers, the Detroit Pistons, the Atlanta Hawks, the Minnesota Timberwolves and the Miami Heat -- will have significant money to spend in 2009.

Only the Thunder and the Grizzlies will be able to make a max offer though.

This will probably make it a whole lot easier to keep these guys on the roster, add a max FA in 2010 and reup Duhon, and then potentially a 2nd max FA in 2011.

That is of course if they continue to prove they're worth building a team with.

We would still have to move at least Curry for 2010s somehow though to make 2010 work that way.
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12/18/2008  1:47 PM
Booz said he was going to opt out at end of this year too. So that may take one slot.
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12/18/2008  1:49 PM
this is what I have been saying all along. Its got nothing to do with what other guys are making, its got to do with what teams are out there that can pay. If the Knicks play great, are .500 and Lee and Nate kick but they will get paid and we will still be able to go after one max guy (instead of two) which is fine. Rather have homegrown guys
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12/18/2008  1:50 PM
portland is going to offer lee $45+ mil this offseason...
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12/18/2008  1:51 PM
You put Lebron on this team right now and we are the Cavaliers
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12/18/2008  1:56 PM
Posted by fishmike:

this is what I have been saying all along. Its got nothing to do with what other guys are making, its got to do with what teams are out there that can pay. If the Knicks play great, are .500 and Lee and Nate kick but they will get paid and we will still be able to go after one max guy (instead of two) which is fine. Rather have homegrown guys

Explain to me again how you pay Nate Lee Duhon and Harrington? If you dont sign Al and Duhon to extensions after the season ends their cap hold is 200% of their salary--we would have to renounce them IF we even sign Lee and Nate. Were not going to keep all 4 players unless they get rid of Curry and Jefferies pretty quickly as in this year.
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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:

this is what I have been saying all along. Its got nothing to do with what other guys are making, its got to do with what teams are out there that can pay. If the Knicks play great, are .500 and Lee and Nate kick but they will get paid and we will still be able to go after one max guy (instead of two) which is fine. Rather have homegrown guys

Explain to me again how you pay Nate Lee Duhon and Harrington? If you dont sign Al and Duhon to extensions after the season ends their cap hold is 200% of their salary--we would have to renounce them IF we even sign Lee and Nate. Were not going to keep all 4 players unless they get rid of Curry and Jefferies pretty quickly as in this year.
you will notice my post does not include paying Harrington. I have outlined about 100 times how the Knicks can pay Lee and Nate, possibly even Duhon and still sign a max FA.

I like Harrington but he's a rent a player for 2 years.

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12/18/2008  2:01 PM
Only the Thunder and the Grizzlies will be able to make a max offer though.


We'd better be careful because you KNOW free agents are just rushing to play in Oklahoma and Memphis.

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12/18/2008  2:01 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

portland is going to offer lee $45+ mil this offseason...
if thats the market than we are in great shape. According to Briggs and King its max money plus the keys to the private jet

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Posted by fishmike:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:

this is what I have been saying all along. Its got nothing to do with what other guys are making, its got to do with what teams are out there that can pay. If the Knicks play great, are .500 and Lee and Nate kick but they will get paid and we will still be able to go after one max guy (instead of two) which is fine. Rather have homegrown guys

Explain to me again how you pay Nate Lee Duhon and Harrington? If you dont sign Al and Duhon to extensions after the season ends their cap hold is 200% of their salary--we would have to renounce them IF we even sign Lee and Nate. Were not going to keep all 4 players unless they get rid of Curry and Jefferies pretty quickly as in this year.
you will notice my post does not include paying Harrington. I have outlined about 100 times how the Knicks can pay Lee and Nate, possibly even Duhon and still sign a max FA.

I like Harrington but he's a rent a player for 2 years.

Maybe even just this year. He can opt out this Summer, and if he plays well enough, I'm sure he will.
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12/18/2008  2:05 PM
Posted by King1:

You put Lebron on this team right now and we are the Cavaliers

I think better actually, all we'd need is a center who can play some D
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12/18/2008  2:08 PM
Posted by King1:

You put Lebron on this team right now and we are the Cavaliers

Who wouldn't take that?
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12/18/2008  2:10 PM
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Maybe even just this year. He can opt out this Summer, and if he plays well enough, I'm sure he will.


Maybe.. but again, look at the market. In 2010 a ton of teams will have space to sign guys, and many will be left looking to throw money away after the first tier of guys has signed. The Knicks will no resign him... everyone knows that. If I am Al I play like I have been for another year, take the $10mm+ the Knicks owe me next year and see where the cards fall.
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12/18/2008  3:10 PM
Posted by King1:

You put Lebron on this team right now and we are the Cavaliers

Add Bosh Wade Kobe and we're the Olympic Team.
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12/18/2008  3:12 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:

this is what I have been saying all along. Its got nothing to do with what other guys are making, its got to do with what teams are out there that can pay. If the Knicks play great, are .500 and Lee and Nate kick but they will get paid and we will still be able to go after one max guy (instead of two) which is fine. Rather have homegrown guys

Explain to me again how you pay Nate Lee Duhon and Harrington? If you dont sign Al and Duhon to extensions after the season ends their cap hold is 200% of their salary--we would have to renounce them IF we even sign Lee and Nate. Were not going to keep all 4 players unless they get rid of Curry and Jefferies pretty quickly as in this year.
you will notice my post does not include paying Harrington. I have outlined about 100 times how the Knicks can pay Lee and Nate, possibly even Duhon and still sign a max FA.

I like Harrington but he's a rent a player for 2 years.

Maybe even just this year. He can opt out this Summer, and if he plays well enough, I'm sure he will.

Then I would trade him at the deadline. There is no sense going to the end line with any player without getting compensation --his value has risen and we can move him again before the deadline.
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12/18/2008  3:18 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:

this is what I have been saying all along. Its got nothing to do with what other guys are making, its got to do with what teams are out there that can pay. If the Knicks play great, are .500 and Lee and Nate kick but they will get paid and we will still be able to go after one max guy (instead of two) which is fine. Rather have homegrown guys

Explain to me again how you pay Nate Lee Duhon and Harrington? If you dont sign Al and Duhon to extensions after the season ends their cap hold is 200% of their salary--we would have to renounce them IF we even sign Lee and Nate. Were not going to keep all 4 players unless they get rid of Curry and Jefferies pretty quickly as in this year.
you will notice my post does not include paying Harrington. I have outlined about 100 times how the Knicks can pay Lee and Nate, possibly even Duhon and still sign a max FA.

I like Harrington but he's a rent a player for 2 years.

A team is going to come in with a 10mm$ frontloaded over for Lee --maybe something like 5 years 52mm frontloaded with a 6th year option--that means to match we would have to commit 11.5- 12mm in 2010. Nate will cost 6mm per at a minimum.

2009 Draft pick 1mm
So with Lee 11mm
Nate 6mm
Galnari and Chandler together 5mm
Curry 11
Jefferies 6.5
renouncing Duhon and everyone else
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12/18/2008  4:16 PM
briggs, that's assuming we can't trade jefferies or curry. it's also assuming we don't renounce gallinari. if he doesnt play a game over the next two years, or he looks like a bust, are we really going to pick up gallo's third year option or just try to trade him instead?
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12/18/2008  4:22 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

A team is going to come in with a 10mm$ frontloaded over for Lee --maybe something like 5 years 52mm frontloaded with a 6th year option--that means to match we would have to commit 11.5- 12mm in 2010. Nate will cost 6mm per at a minimum.
No they wont.
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12/18/2008  4:57 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:

this is what I have been saying all along. Its got nothing to do with what other guys are making, its got to do with what teams are out there that can pay. If the Knicks play great, are .500 and Lee and Nate kick but they will get paid and we will still be able to go after one max guy (instead of two) which is fine. Rather have homegrown guys

Explain to me again how you pay Nate Lee Duhon and Harrington? If you dont sign Al and Duhon to extensions after the season ends their cap hold is 200% of their salary--we would have to renounce them IF we even sign Lee and Nate. Were not going to keep all 4 players unless they get rid of Curry and Jefferies pretty quickly as in this year.

I'm not 100% sure about this but if Lee and Nate were to take 1-year qualifying offers for next year -- couldn't we first sign Al and Chris and then after signing Max free agents --- couldn't we then sign Lee and Nate.

Or do we have to sign our guys first and then sign other free agents?
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Posted by LivingLegend:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:

this is what I have been saying all along. Its got nothing to do with what other guys are making, its got to do with what teams are out there that can pay. If the Knicks play great, are .500 and Lee and Nate kick but they will get paid and we will still be able to go after one max guy (instead of two) which is fine. Rather have homegrown guys

Explain to me again how you pay Nate Lee Duhon and Harrington? If you dont sign Al and Duhon to extensions after the season ends their cap hold is 200% of their salary--we would have to renounce them IF we even sign Lee and Nate. Were not going to keep all 4 players unless they get rid of Curry and Jefferies pretty quickly as in this year.

I'm not 100% sure about this but if Lee and Nate were to take 1-year qualifying offers for next year -- couldn't we first sign Al and Chris and then after signing Max free agents --- couldn't we then sign Lee and Nate.

Or do we have to sign our guys first and then sign other free agents?

I am going to put up a 2010 FAQ thread. If/when Lee and Nate sign the 1-year QO, each of their salaries * 150% have a hold on the salary cap, as will Al's and Duhon's if we don't renounce them. So, we can only use the remaining cap space after the holds to sign a UFA. And then we can sign our own boys to whatever (even over the cap).

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