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GallOfFame
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12/17/2008  1:57 AM
These are really some underrated rookies I'm noticing. Many fans had opinions these guys would be unsuccessful midgets, playing a big man's game but they are quietly having a really good season. I always thought highly of both being that D.J. was a pure point and Gordon was a lights out shooter but with our team influx it was unclear if these guys could be fits. Personally I thought either would be.

D.J. really knows how to run a team and the guy can shoot the rock. I've watched a few of their games this yr home and away. What's always mentioned positively about the kid is his shooting and rotation on his jumper. He can shoot 3's with the best of them right now 42%. He's scoring 14ppg with 4ast He's quicker than a dickens and can get his shot off if he has to. I'm very impressed with his NBA game but he rarely gets any pub. Too bad he's playing for the struggling cats although LB is definitely getting the most out of him, no doubts there.

Eric Gordon is nice. Every since he got the nod to start by Mike Duntz he's been a 2-WAY player. I just looked at his Game Logs on their home page and the kid gets rips or swats in every game since becoming a starter. Sometimes he fills the stat sheet and gets both. He guards the opposition's best scorer in the back court every night. He almost has as many blocks as Wilson Chandler. Since starting he's shooting 48%fg and 40%fg(3pt) averaging 15ppg.


We'll continue to wait on Gallo but man I wonder what if sometimes. We definitely could use either of these guys just for the simple fact they're healthy, forget the numbers. I wonder if Gallo would get similar numbers or if he'll have comparable numbers next yr.

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 12-17-2008 02:35 AM]
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12/17/2008  2:26 AM
Both guys have played good--most of the guards in the draft have all shown nice signs. If you look at the Knicks--we really needed a big man and we did take a 6-11 player. Big men who come out of college are going to take longer time to develop than smalls. I think there will be some big men in the previous draft who end up on high plateaus--they need time to grow into their bodies and learn the NBA game much more so than the guards who really were all pretty physically well built to go with the skills. The way the NBA is right now in terms of defense--it caters to guards.
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12/17/2008  6:07 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Both guys have played good--most of the guards in the draft have all shown nice signs. If you look at the Knicks--we really needed a big man and we did take a 6-11 player. Big men who come out of college are going to take longer time to develop than smalls. I think there will be some big men in the previous draft who end up on high plateaus--they need time to grow into their bodies and learn the NBA game much more so than the guards who really were all pretty physically well built to go with the skills. The way the NBA is right now in terms of defense--it caters to guards.

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12/17/2008  9:11 AM

DJ is Larry's player.

If gallo is MDA's player he too will shine in time.
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12/17/2008  12:02 PM
EG will be a much better player than Wilson in the league. If we had him right now we would have a nice two guard for the next 10 years.
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12/17/2008  12:07 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Both guys have played good--most of the guards in the draft have all shown nice signs. If you look at the Knicks--we really needed a big man and we did take a 6-11 player. Big men who come out of college are going to take longer time to develop than smalls. I think there will be some big men in the previous draft who end up on high plateaus--they need time to grow into their bodies and learn the NBA game much more so than the guards who really were all pretty physically well built to go with the skills. The way the NBA is right now in terms of defense--it caters to guards.

I remember i started a thread before the draft in favor of us drafting DJ Augustine and you dismissed him and pretty much proclaimed him as a nonfactor. I though he would be a good pg in the league but he has even exceeded my expectations a little.

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12/17/2008  12:11 PM
Posted by King1:

EG will be a much better player than Wilson in the league. If we had him right now we would have a nice two guard for the next 10 years.

No need to compare.






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12/17/2008  12:16 PM
Knicks fan I am snowed in today I need to stir something up on the board.
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12/17/2008  12:18 PM
Posted by King1:

Knicks fan I am snowed in today I need to stir something up on the board.

Tell us that Lee should start at $11M with a 5 year deal that increases 20% per.
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12/17/2008  12:24 PM
Posted by King1:

EG will be a much better player than Wilson in the league. If we had him right now we would have a nice two guard for the next 10 years.

King1, Bosh is a better player than Lee. What's your point?
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12/17/2008  12:28 PM
Not at all I think Walsh should have offered 5 years about 42 million and got it done this summer. Instead he waited and now he has no trading leverage to get equal value and now risks losing him for nothing. Lee is getting 17 points almost 14 boards a game since Zach left. Lee is a rookie when it comes to working in the post because he has had Curry and Zach in there clogging things up. Bottom line we are playing for 2010 when we should try to make this team better now and sign one free agent and pay Lee the 8 or 9 and use the other 6 or 7 and get a defensive minded big or shooter.
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12/17/2008  12:31 PM
Posted by King1:

Not at all I think Walsh should have offered 5 years about 42 million and got it done this summer. Instead he waited and now he has no trading leverage to get equal value and now risks losing him for nothing. Lee is getting 17 points almost 14 boards a game since Zach left. Lee is a rookie when it comes to working in the post because he has had Curry and Zach in there clogging things up. Bottom line we are playing for 2010 when we should try to make this team better now and sign one free agent and pay Lee the 8 or 9 and use the other 6 or 7 and get a defensive minded big or shooter.

No doubt if Walsh had been here the last 2-3 years and didn't lock up Lee we would have all called him a douchebag. But the GM really didnt know Lee and wanted to see how he would fit in with MDA. It's one thing to watch tape of another player, it's quite another to see him practice, in the locker room, starting, etc.

Was not signing him the best possible move for the Knicks? maybe not. Was it prudent on Walsh's part? Sure.
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12/17/2008  12:38 PM
Walsh waits on everything that is why we are playing with seven players right now. It is starting to take a toll on duhon and he doesnt deserve that. I think Walsh didnt sign him because they didnt think he could fit in this system. Lee has been with the Knicks for about 4 years and they have traded lottery picks for post players, drafted lottery picks, signed bigs and the only person that is constant is Lee.
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12/17/2008  12:44 PM
Posted by King1:

Walsh waits on everything that is why we are playing with seven players right now. It is starting to take a toll on duhon and he doesnt deserve that. I think Walsh didnt sign him because they didnt think he could fit in this system. Lee has been with the Knicks for about 4 years and they have traded lottery picks for post players, drafted lottery picks, signed bigs and the only person that is constant is Lee.

We had enough with Isiah and his lack of plan and of patience. Walsh has both and it will be the best for the Knicks. Why rushing on signing a player when you can explore 2-for-1 trades? Why buy out Robinson, something I've called for many times, if he would be included in a trade to make the numbers work? Walsh is exactly the guy we needed in NY. He studies everything before making a decision. It usually results in a better deal for the Knicks.




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12/17/2008  12:49 PM
Posted by King1:

Walsh waits on everything that is why we are playing with seven players right now. It is starting to take a toll on duhon and he doesnt deserve that. I think Walsh didnt sign him because they didnt think he could fit in this system. Lee has been with the Knicks for about 4 years and they have traded lottery picks for post players, drafted lottery picks, signed bigs and the only person that is constant is Lee.

we are playing with 7 players cause JJ2 is hurt, Malik sucks, Big Game suck, Roberson sucks, Curry is hurt, Gallo is hurt, and Marbury is whack.

I don't think you want to compare what Isiah has done to the roster to what Donnie has and will do.
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12/17/2008  12:52 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by King1:

Walsh waits on everything that is why we are playing with seven players right now. It is starting to take a toll on duhon and he doesnt deserve that. I think Walsh didnt sign him because they didnt think he could fit in this system. Lee has been with the Knicks for about 4 years and they have traded lottery picks for post players, drafted lottery picks, signed bigs and the only person that is constant is Lee.

We had enough with Isiah and his lack of plan and of patience. Walsh has both and it will be the best for the Knicks. Why rushing on signing a player when you can explore 2-for-1 trades? Why buy out Robinson, something I've called for many times, if he would be included in a trade to make the numbers work? Walsh is exactly the guy we needed in NY. He studies everything before making a decision. It usually results in a better deal for the Knicks.





Umm... Walsh signed Anthony Roberson to a one year deal after watching him shoot 3 pointers in Knicks Summer League practice drills when it was obviously that probably wasn't the greatest need for this team. I wouldn't be so quick to call him a patron of patience.
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12/17/2008  12:54 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by King1:

Walsh waits on everything that is why we are playing with seven players right now. It is starting to take a toll on duhon and he doesnt deserve that. I think Walsh didnt sign him because they didnt think he could fit in this system. Lee has been with the Knicks for about 4 years and they have traded lottery picks for post players, drafted lottery picks, signed bigs and the only person that is constant is Lee.

We had enough with Isiah and his lack of plan and of patience. Walsh has both and it will be the best for the Knicks. Why rushing on signing a player when you can explore 2-for-1 trades? Why buy out Robinson, something I've called for many times, if he would be included in a trade to make the numbers work? Walsh is exactly the guy we needed in NY. He studies everything before making a decision. It usually results in a better deal for the Knicks.





Umm... Walsh signed Anthony Roberson to a one year deal after watching him shoot 3 pointers in Knicks Summer League practice drills when it was obviously that probably wasn't the greatest need for this team. I wouldn't be so quick to call him a patron of patience.

I think Walsh signed Roberson at MDA's request. 15th guy. It was a favor and freebie to coach.
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12/17/2008  1:27 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Both guys have played good--most of the guards in the draft have all shown nice signs. If you look at the Knicks--we really needed a big man and we did take a 6-11 player. Big men who come out of college are going to take longer time to develop than smalls. I think there will be some big men in the previous draft who end up on high plateaus--they need time to grow into their bodies and learn the NBA game much more so than the guards who really were all pretty physically well built to go with the skills. The way the NBA is right now in terms of defense--it caters to guards.

I remember i started a thread before the draft in favor of us drafting DJ Augustine and you dismissed him and pretty much proclaimed him as a nonfactor. I though he would be a good pg in the league but he has even exceeded my expectations a little.


I remember seeing a prevalent opinion his ceiling was no higher than Jameer Nelson or worst case Tyronn Lue. I thought some might be selling him short if they thought his best would be Jameer Nelson.
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12/17/2008  2:03 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
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Posted by King1:

Walsh waits on everything that is why we are playing with seven players right now. It is starting to take a toll on duhon and he doesnt deserve that. I think Walsh didnt sign him because they didnt think he could fit in this system. Lee has been with the Knicks for about 4 years and they have traded lottery picks for post players, drafted lottery picks, signed bigs and the only person that is constant is Lee.

We had enough with Isiah and his lack of plan and of patience. Walsh has both and it will be the best for the Knicks. Why rushing on signing a player when you can explore 2-for-1 trades? Why buy out Robinson, something I've called for many times, if he would be included in a trade to make the numbers work? Walsh is exactly the guy we needed in NY. He studies everything before making a decision. It usually results in a better deal for the Knicks.





Umm... Walsh signed Anthony Roberson to a one year deal after watching him shoot 3 pointers in Knicks Summer League practice drills when it was obviously that probably wasn't the greatest need for this team. I wouldn't be so quick to call him a patron of patience.

Probably wasn't the greatest need? With the Mike D system being introduced in NY, shooting became a big factor of the team. Back then we didn't know Gallo nor Curry would be injured for so long. Back then we looked good in terms of size and it would look nice to have a shooting specialist on the team. Of course the signing looks horrible now because Roberson has sucked a lot, but it made sense back then.

And you use Roberson as an example of how Walsh isn't patient? A one year signing for "change", considering the NBA standards? Boy, you really use weak arguments when stating your point.




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