that it almost is unfathomable that we have spent 90MM$ on this roster. I dont care if Houston is in the lineupornot--we score a whole 65 points against a team that played a significant amount of rookies and role players for a major portion of the game.

I would fire Laydumb and Chaney 10 games in if we are 3-7.

i am with you on that. losing is one thing but getting blown out by the projected worse team in the league is another. has van horn always given up a lot of turnovers? it is amazing. but, this is preseason. the tell tale will be on the first week in november where everyone should be healthy ( we know by this weekend if dice would be on the list). if the knicks struggle into december, then i think chaney is to blame. this team on paper is not bad. matter of fact, with thomas, van horn and mutumbo, we could have beaten utah with their frigging harping, kierilenko and stevenson. no excuse whatsoever.

From what I have seen, I must agree. NY looks LOST! THey have no idea what they are trying to do out there. I remember when NY scored 65 points with Riley and JVG and people said it was because of tempo. Well now, NY is running so what is the deal-eo???

Personally, I think Chaney is a nice man. As a coach I think he is terrible! I want to see a new head coach. I will say this now. As NY is built today, 10/15/03, they HAVE enought talent to make the playoff with or without DICE. If DICE is 80% of his old self, they should be better than the 7 or 8 seed. If not, it will be the coaches fault in my opinion.

Record should be 43-39 with this bunch.

Utah is undefeated in preseason, I guess they are going to the finals?

The rockets, which has a great amount of talent and a new coach teaching a new system just won their first game last nite.

We have been playing the rookies a lot, seeing what they can do, seeing what they lack, seeing what they need to learn.

A few games in, and we are panicing?

Fire Laydog if we make a weak ass run at the 8th seed adn make the playoffs, and miss out on the draft.

I don't care how much cash dolan blows on this team, I want these bloated clowns gone in 2-3 years, and not replaced with others. Rebuilding takes time. Let it happen.

You can bring John freaking Wooden here, and with this roster, he won't win with them.

Last year we had a bad start, and it all started coming together and we got some nice assets. This is what it is like to rebuild. Its this or false hope again, and see where that gets us. Fans need to be patient, but I don't think NYC has any patience to rebuild, they want the superstars right now.

Maybe Management is just giving the fans what they really want, pressure management to get a Dice and see what happens.

Reality is Lampe is not ready, Sweet is not ready to start, these guys need work, Its a long season, let it happen.

Cry all you want that spree is not here, blame management for him leaving, but he played last year and could not produce as in years past.

Lots of new faces, lots of changes, we are bigger, younger, and whining 4 games in preseason just like last year when it was whining about how old and small we were. Make up your minds NY!Its gonna take 2 more years, suck it up, enjoy the progress of the rooks, enjoy this team coming together as chaney will get these guys to play better. You want high draft picks, let guys walk, no dumb trades! Let the sins of the past expire.

this is beyond letting contracts run out---if they really wanted to do that they wouldve traded sprewell for branden. i had given layden some pseudo credit,but REALISTICALLY is value or grade for this franchise is an F. This is a franchise that has morphed into a LOSER mentality,nothing defined,no direction and lives on the word EXCUSE. We held on toewing tolong blah blah blah yadayada yad yep things have not gone well for over 3 years and there is no end in sight.

This team needsto start over--let a new GM figure out what to do--bring in a Geoff Petrie or a rod thorn andlet them do their thing/

this would NEVER be tolerated by any other NY sports franchise

I've defended Chaney in the past, I've even dared to say that all of the Knicks problems are not Layden's fault. But this is the year for the Knicks to turn it around. They should make the playoffs this year. If not then I'll join those who say that even more drastic changes are needed.

I do find it embarassing that we have such a bloated payroll and such mediocre talent.

But let's let them play some regular season games before we brand the Knicks "losers". Maybe Dyse will play. Maybe Motumbo has something left in the tank. Maybe Van Horn will find a niche on this team.

I prefer to start of the season with a positive attitude.




[Edited by - knickgeek on 10/15/2003 20:35:03]

Play the rookies, forget the playoffs.

Play the rookies, get a top 3 draft pick, play more rookies, grow your own superstars!

Knicks make the playoffs, then I would fire Laydog. This team is in transition, let them play, let them grow, let them sit the bloated, buy out the old bloated contracts, bring in the youth.

This is not a good team, yet. Let them play. let them lose.

Briggs, your panicking, and bringing in a new GM would change a thing. The grass is always greener. Up the panic pills, just chill, this is no fantasy team you can just play with.

Hey guess what it's the PREASEASON. frank williams is playing the magority of the minutes at pg, houston hasnt played, and sweetney and Lampe have been getting alot of minutes. Plus Shandon is playing 35 plus everynight which wont happen. and carroll should make the team but he isnt going ot play 15-20 mintues a game and take 11 shots a game, and Knight wont see the court. There are alot of new players so they r still getting used to playing with each other. I'd wait like 5 regular season games and if they still look like this then i will be worried. The Rockets havent won a game yet either.

Posted by playa2:

Why do you speak as if this is Denver Nuggets , all that playing 18yr olds instead of playing seasoned vets is insane. No team from NYC could get away with playing young guys (18 yr olds)when the reg season starts. They won't be able to handle the pressure of playing in MSG in front of those rabid hate fans who already boo Vanhorn and he didn't even do anything wrong!

playa, please stop man, the knicks will not be much better than the Nuggets with all those 18 year old kids man. You say these rookies won't be able to handle the pressure of MSG? LOL.. the scrub veterans we have aren't doing much better..

Yea you guys are real GM material, you don't ruin a young man's 18 yr olds(Lampe) confidence by putting him in games against veteran ball players in the Worlds Most Famous Arena in reg season game unless he has the ability of having immediate impact, especially when your (BOSS) wants to win now. Justifying playing Lampe to plz a few fans who have their own agenda of entertainment is ludacrious. How many 18 yr old European's get run in the nba?

[Edited by - playa2 on 10/16/2003 07:24:02]

Posted by dodger78:

tkf i really think thats a good point!
With our veterans playing like crap and having NO upside at all!
Why not let our rookies have some playing time! At least they have a chance to get better and they got a reason for having some bad games!

This is an argument for a whole season of Garbage Time. I'd like to see the Knicks do a better job of developing young players, but we have a whole new team this season. Let's see how they do in the regular season before we throw in the towel.

[Edited by - knickgeek on 10/16/2003 08:37:41]