Knicksfan mentioned in another post that Walsh might be keeping another roster spot open because a trade is on the horizon. I agree. You never know what he has up his sleeve.

Who will be the next to go? Did anyone predict the Randolph/Crawford shipping? What will be the driving force behind the next deal; in the Z/Craw deal it was cap space.

I think Lee might go because he is so valuable. Duhon, obviously, will not go. Ever.

They plumped up Z.Bo stat-wise in order to trade him, it seems. Since Z.Bo left, Lee has been getting fat with awesome stats. Is this another plumping up?

In regards to the open roster spot to allow a 2-1 trade?

Curry with 2 lesser players coming back = unlikely because curry hasn't played and teams will want Lee in the deal to take on Curry.... so it's not going to be that.

Marbury going out is possible. Walsh said earlier that it was hard to find a trade for Marbury because he had no roster spot open to take back more than 1 player in trade.

So if there's a trade in relation to the open roster spot I'm thinking it's Marbury outgoing.

I think its possible to trade Curry without having to give up Lee. Of course, that would happen only after Curry returns and has at least a month of strong contribution to the team.

That said, I think the one we will probably have to include Lee to trade is Jeffries. Jeffries isn't a horrible player, just a role player horribly glorified by Isiah Thomas. Its highly unlikely a team will want him straight up in a trade or with another lesser player. If the Knicks are indeed committed on getting rid of Curry and Jeffries to ease their 2010 plan, they have to build an attractive deal with Jeffries in it to keep the plan going.

Lee and Jeffries maybe for a couple of shooters from Sactown, or Memphis. Does OKC have anyone to match $ coming back?

I would think there's a deal to be had out there.

What about our trade exceptions? How can we use those?

If Lee does get shipped, how sad will you be to see him go? I will cry.

Lee and Jeffries for Bobby Jackson and Donte Greene works. Greene makes next to nothing for this year and the next three years and could be a decent piece to have around when LeBron and Bosh come over.

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Lee and Jeffries for Bobby Jackson and Donte Greene works. Greene makes next to nothing for this year and the next three years and could be a decent piece to have around when LeBron and Bosh come over.

Regarding a trade with Sacramento, we're not getting Jason Thompson, Spencer Hawes, Kevin Martin or Beno Udrih, their starting PG. I doubt we could get Donte Greene (they dealt Ron Artest to get this kid) and I don't want John Salmons or Quincy Douby. For me that leaves an Eddy Curry for Brad Miller swap (unlikely) or Francisco Garcia and 'The Landlord' Shelden Williams for David Lee trade possibility that actually makes a lot of sense.

Garcia just re-uped to a modest 4 yr. $23.2 mil. dollar deal starting next year (lowest yr. happens to be 2010/11 at only $5.5 million btw) with a team option for a 5th yr. at $6.4 million. He's a young soon-to-be 27 year old (DOB: 12/31/81) veteran that has EVERYTHING you'd want in a 2 guard - he can shoot, handle and pass it well, has enough versatility to play the 1, 2 & the 3 well and has good height at 6'7" with long arms that really helps make him a factor on the defensive end at times. He'd be THE PERFECT Mike D'Antoni role player. Ironically, Garcia, who's from the Bronx, had his best game against D'Antoni's Suns back in 11/2007 filling in for a then injuried Mike Bibby at the point. Playing the MDA uptempo style in that game he torched the Suns for 31 pts. in 35 minutes. The following month, he lit Phoenix up agains for 30 pts... As for Shelden Williams, you bring him in with the idea that he could possibly regain the role he served at Duke not too long ago where he was a fierce, intimidating presence underneath the hoop on both ends of the court. He might never be a star but there's no reason in my mind why he can't be a factor in this league a-la Jason Maxiell/Paul Millsap or better yet Dale Davis/Antonio Davis back in the day with an increased role and more responsibility. Has more height and bulk than Lee that would make him a better candidate to play the big man enforcer role that this team currently lacks (may not be as talented or mobile but he's built more to play the center position than David Lee is). He'll be up for a contract soon, but in all likelyhood, he should get less than what Jason Maxiell just got (4 yrs., $20 mil.) because the PT & the numbers just aren't there to back him up right now. And if he doesn't work out, you cut him. No harm, no foul. Like I've been saying, there will be a nice assortment of PF types in the 2nd round alone next summer. Plus, taken on it's own, Garcia and Lee are fairly even value-wise in my estimation anyway. That's how highly I think of Garcia.

For all those living in la-la land out there that think we're getting a lottery pick or a proven all-star for David Lee, dream on. I can't see that - not when the rest of the league knows damn well that we're still trying to clear cap space & that we might not be willing to bring Lee back at his price. If that's the case, you gotta hope we'd be able to find a sensible trade like this - Garcia/Williams is excellent value for David Lee. I'm looking forward to watching both players tonight - Garcia's back from the calf injury and playing well - he just had 21 pts. against the Lakers in the Kings' surprising 113-101 victory over LA on 12/09...


[Edited by - finestrg on 12-13-2008 4:43 PM]

See, no disrespect, but that's where a lot of you guys are off base. If you knew basketball and knew the league you'd know that Garcia's a hell of a lot more than "nothing." How is Garcia an unproven player?!?! Explain that to me. He just earned himself a nice little contract extention didn't he?? Don't forget, this guy put Louisville on his back and took them to the Final 4 a few years ago. He's a damn good player already who's very versatile with a chance to be a lot more - he's not at his ceiling yet IMHO. Even if he went out and went 0-15 tonight and had a terrible game, my opinion of him and what he can do won't change. He can play... I agree that maybe Donnie should've at least tried to stick with the contract talks with Lee a little longer as the season was about to start, but that's under the bridge now so we'll have to move on and worry about how to handle it now. Plus, how do you know that Lee and his agent weren't completely unreasonable at the time and that's why Donnie broke off the talks early? You don't know.

There's two choices here with this guy - you either reup him at his price in the $10+ mil. dollar a season range that he's undoubtedly looking for and run the risk of that interfering with our free agency plans in 2010 OR you put your think cap on and shop him around the league until you find a team that wants him and is willing to give you a couple of young, salary-controlled pieces back in return to plug holes, maybe even a draft pick if possible. That's it...


[Edited by - finestrg on 12-13-2008 5:12 PM]

Finestrg how do you know if there was ever an offer on the table? Walsh could have said we will wait until next year and talk. I never said Garcia wasnt a good player and no one is going to trade a player with a contract for one without. You need to try and trade for a Kleiza or someone that is in the same position as Lee

I don't think Lee gets traded until the draft if he gets traded at all. I don't see a trade unless they can find a shooting guard for Malik or anything for Curry.

I'll throw one out there: Curry and DLee for Diaw and Charlotte's unprotected #1.

Posted by crzymdups:

I don't think Lee gets traded until the draft if he gets traded at all. I don't see a trade unless they can find a shooting guard for Malik or anything for Curry.

I'll throw one out there: Curry and DLee for Diaw and Charlotte's unprotected #1.

Hey, you know what, they very well could use Lee as a guy to get a Curry deal done. Very possible, although I don't like the idea. I mean talk about bad business. I didn't like the idea when there were rumors in the off-season that we'd have to include Lee with Randolph to get a trade done. Well we didn't have to. Now I understand Randolph remained productive and obviously that helped get something done w/o Lee. We're gonna need to get Curry back playing soon, intergrate him into this lineup somehow and put him in a position where he excels and increases his value (making sure he's out there against other teams' second units, etc..). Randolph was always healthy - there's not much we can do with Eddy while he's hurt. That's where Donnie's patience comes into play. He knows what he's doing. Here's hoping that the Curry situation improves enough to eventually trade him away on his own or if Lee were to be included, we get adequate value back in return.


[Edited by - finestrg on 12-13-2008 5:49 PM]