Posted by djsunyc:

i think only 1 question matters:

do you enjoy watching the team? if the answer is yes, then everything else doesn't really matter (standards, 2010 plan, salary cap, coaching, etc). if the answer is no, then it's time to take a break or move on.

Posted by martin:

Posted by kam77:

YES YES YES.

I can't believe these fans say Tiny Tim tries and works hard. He doesn't work hard. He loafs up and down the court like he's in a scrimmage. As Clyde says, "Fire and Desire", thats what we want. Not heartless effort.

I don't think you will find much on this site that will deny tim loafs every once in a while, nor will you find posters who say Tim tries and works hard all the time.

Posted by Allanfan20:

We used to celebrate the blue collar workers who busted their arses. We'd give guys like Jefferies a standing ovation, not because of his lack of skill level, but because he's doing everything he possibly can and we appreciated little things like that. Even Chris Duhon, who's so limited yet is playing above his head, hardly gets noticed by the garden crowd b/c he does nothing special in a particular play. We used to love a guy like that.

We used to frown on guys like John Wallace who had such a great offensive package, yet didn't do crap. He'd occasionally post up and make a nice move, or hit a three, and we'd like it, but we'd expect more out of a pro ball player on our team. We wouldn't dare dream of making excuses for a guy like that.

Yet now we have Tim Thomas, a decade later. After 7 full seasons of losing, and not only losing, but getting KILLED and getting worse. Now we're starting to regrow and mend our wounds, but we got Tim Thomas, who's basically the equivalent of John Wallace. Perhaps the laziest basketball player in the league is Tiny Tim, aka Fugazy. 4 years ago, we booed him for his lack of effort. NOW, he's the same exact player, and we're celebrating him b/c he hit's a few 3s and makes a nice post up move every now and then. And what's the excuse for him? It's not in his personality to be a hardworking basketball player.

We're not the same fans we once were. How sad.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by Allanfan20:

We used to celebrate the blue collar workers who busted their arses. We'd give guys like Jefferies a standing ovation, not because of his lack of skill level, but because he's doing everything he possibly can and we appreciated little things like that. Even Chris Duhon, who's so limited yet is playing above his head, hardly gets noticed by the garden crowd b/c he does nothing special in a particular play. We used to love a guy like that.

We used to frown on guys like John Wallace who had such a great offensive package, yet didn't do crap. He'd occasionally post up and make a nice move, or hit a three, and we'd like it, but we'd expect more out of a pro ball player on our team. We wouldn't dare dream of making excuses for a guy like that.

Yet now we have Tim Thomas, a decade later. After 7 full seasons of losing, and not only losing, but getting KILLED and getting worse. Now we're starting to regrow and mend our wounds, but we got Tim Thomas, who's basically the equivalent of John Wallace. Perhaps the laziest basketball player in the league is Tiny Tim, aka Fugazy. 4 years ago, we booed him for his lack of effort. NOW, he's the same exact player, and we're celebrating him b/c he hit's a few 3s and makes a nice post up move every now and then. And what's the excuse for him? It's not in his personality to be a hardworking basketball player.

We're not the same fans we once were. How sad.

This is the first good post you ever made. I agree with you. It's amazing, but I'm sure if this team starts losing then TT's "hustle" will draw a different response. I do however think he likes playing for D'Antoni and that he will give us some of his better efforts over his career. So I just suck it up and close my eyes to his loping back on D, his walking around on the defensive end away from the ball, oh and his long range jumpers against guys he's stronger and quicker than. He is who he is.