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King1
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12/9/2008  2:04 PM
I have no idea how the salary cap works but I assume it will be around 55 million dollars.
If the Knicks sign Bosh and Lebron that is 30 million of the cap. You have Curry at 11 million Jeffries at 7, Gallinari at 3.3, and Wilson at 2.1. That is 53 million dollars and you still have to get 9 more players on the remaining 3 million dollars. Just lock this if I have made a total ass of myself but I dont see how the numbers work.
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12/9/2008  2:10 PM
If your numbers are correct, and I won't assume they are, that means we could sign 1 more player to that 3M - then from there you are allowed to add vet minimum players until the roster is filled out whether or not you go over the cap. I assume that's what you are asking?
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12/9/2008  2:11 PM
Cap is supposed to be around $64M in 2010. It increases each year.
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12/9/2008  2:12 PM
So even though your over the cap you can sign 8 vet minimum players to fill out the roster and you would just get the luxury tax on that correct.
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12/9/2008  2:12 PM
The cap will be somewhere around $60M and upwards of $64M.

Fish and whomever have gone over this again and again.
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12/9/2008  2:15 PM
Guys the cap number is irrelevant... his question is what if you're down to 3M in cap space and need to sign 8 more players...

from what I believe you could sign 1 player to fill that full 3M (thus giving you a quality player) - then you can still sign 7 more guys at all the vet minimum regardless of whether or not you exceed the cap.

His question is, and so is mine, is THAT true?

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12/9/2008  2:16 PM
You sir are a douche.

I think the 9 other guys will have to be Anthony Robersons of the world unless you are able to find takers for Curry and Jeffries. Also, I think it would be more like 36 million for Lebron and Bosh.
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12/9/2008  2:18 PM
Posted by King1:

So even though your over the cap you can sign 8 vet minimum players to fill out the roster and you would just get the luxury tax on that correct.

now you are just being sarcastic and feigning ignorance.

1 month ago we weren't in position to sign any free agents in 2010. Now we are. This is a process.
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12/9/2008  2:18 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

Guys the cap number is irrelevant... his question is what if you're down to 3M in cap space and need to sign 8 more players...

from what I believe you could sign 1 player to fill that full 3M (thus giving you a quality player) - then you can still sign 7 more guys at all the vet minimum regardless of whether or not you exceed the cap.

His question is, and so is mine, is THAT true?

Any team whether over the cap or not can sign a player to the league minimum.
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12/9/2008  2:19 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Cosmic:

Guys the cap number is irrelevant... his question is what if you're down to 3M in cap space and need to sign 8 more players...

from what I believe you could sign 1 player to fill that full 3M (thus giving you a quality player) - then you can still sign 7 more guys at all the vet minimum regardless of whether or not you exceed the cap.

His question is, and so is mine, is THAT true?

Any team whether over the cap or not can sign a player to the league minimum.

Thanks for the clarification, I thought so.

I believe this also answers King's question fellas!

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12/9/2008  2:21 PM
I have no idea about the salary cap and dont understand it at all. It makes sense to me now that you can sign someone to a league mimnimum to fill out a roster
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12/9/2008  2:22 PM
Thanks Cosmic that is what I was asking.
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12/9/2008  2:23 PM
Posted by King1:

I have no idea about the salary cap and dont understand it at all. It makes sense to me now that you can sign someone to a league mimnimum to fill out a roster

Yeah, that allowance is in place for teams that may have exceeded the soft cap but are still required by the CBA to have a 12 man roster.
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12/9/2008  2:30 PM
Here is how I see it:
Nate $7mm (resigned 5 years $40mm 6,7,8,9,10)
Lee $9mm (resigned 6 years $63mm 8,9,10,11,12,13)
Gallow $3.3mm
Chandler $2.1mm
JJSkinny $6.8mm
Draft 09 $5 ($2.5 x2 lets say DW buys/trades for another pick this upcomgin draft)
Draft 10 $2.5 (we dont have a pick but assume the above as well)
*** This is without Eddy Curry who can opt out this year, next year or be traded.

That brings us to 8 players and 35.7mm with 8 players signed.

*** If we can move JJSkinny our cap would be at $27mm

Lets have a Briggs caliber panic attack, totally skew the numbers and pretend the cap goes down and is only $60mm.

That would give us $24mm to get a star FA or two and resign Duhon. OK but not ideal.
If we can move Skinny that would give us $31mm to resign Duhon and add two max caliber FAs to a core that included Lee, Nate, Gallo, Chandler, Duhon and the 3 draft picks I allocated $7.5mm for between 09-10

sound good?
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12/9/2008  2:31 PM
Posted by King1:

I have no idea about the salary cap and dont understand it at all. It makes sense to me now that you can sign someone to a league mimnimum to fill out a roster
yes.. that minimum number is determined by how long you have been in the league. Now matter what the status of your cap you can always sign players to that minimum. Earl Boykins would cost more than QWoods, but both could be added regardless
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12/9/2008  2:32 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Here is how I see it:
Nate $7mm (resigned 5 years $40mm 6,7,8,9,10)
Lee $9mm (resigned 6 years $63mm 8,9,10,11,12,13)
Gallow $3.3mm
Chandler $2.1mm
JJSkinny $6.8mm
Draft 09 $5 ($2.5 x2 lets say DW buys/trades for another pick this upcomgin draft)
Draft 10 $2.5 (we dont have a pick but assume the above as well)
*** This is without Eddy Curry who can opt out this year, next year or be traded.

That brings us to 8 players and 35.7mm with 8 players signed.

*** If we can move JJSkinny our cap would be at $27mm

Lets have a Briggs caliber panic attack, totally skew the numbers and pretend the cap goes down and is only $60mm.

That would give us $24mm to get a star FA or two and resign Duhon. OK but not ideal.
If we can move Skinny that would give us $31mm to resign Duhon and add two max caliber FAs to a core that included Lee, Nate, Gallo, Chandler, Duhon and the 3 draft picks I allocated $7.5mm for between 09-10

sound good?

Works... in order for me to feel like the team will move into contender status after that offseason, it is of the utmost importance to jettison Curry and Jeffries. Hugely, hugely important.
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12/9/2008  2:33 PM
I am pleading ignorance too. But not about this. Just general ignorance.
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12/9/2008  2:35 PM
Thanks Fishmike now I understand most of this.
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12/9/2008  2:37 PM
Fishmike = John Gabriel?

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12/9/2008  2:40 PM
Posted by King1:

I have no idea about the salary cap and dont understand it at all. It makes sense to me now that you can sign someone to a league mimnimum to fill out a roster

Here's the thing. First, you only are required to carry 12 players, not 15. 15 players is the max roster size. Second, you are presumed to have salary added to your payroll for ghost players at the veteran's minimum to the extent you have less than 12 players on the roster. That is, if you have 9 players, you are charged with 3 players at the vet's minimum to the extent you have cap space.

Now, you can fill roster spots below the vet's minimum by using rookie scale contracts and other non-veteran scale contracts. An unsigned 1st round draft pick counts against the cap.

So, Curry at $11m, Jeffries at $7m, Gallo, Chandler and the 2009 pick at $3m each equals a sum of $27m on 5 players. Include the two 2010 secound round draft picks (ours and the and the 2009 second round draft pick-- Chicago has the right to trade 2nd round picks with us as part of the Curry trade-- the gift that keeps on giving) at $500k each and we have 8 players under contract for $28.5M. Include 2 players at the vets minimum-- approximately $1m each and we have a salary of $30.5m with 2 unfilled roster spots.

So, assuming a $62m salary cap, as all the projections suggest, max contract are worth $15.5m each-- (by definition, 25% of the cap. Two max players 50% of the cap or $31M. So, within the cap constraints we have our roster at 12 players for $61.5m with LBJ and Bosh.

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