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TheSage
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12/7/2008  2:41 PM
Give him whatever he wants for next year with an expiring option for 2011. It wouldn't interfere with the future plans, enables the knx to retain control of the player, gives Lee security. The guy plays his heart out, is a walking double double all the while playing out of position.
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12/7/2008  2:45 PM
if ur D Lee why would u sign a 1 year deal when u can easily get longterm offers this season?
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12/7/2008  2:57 PM
Is LEE worth 10M a year given the total lack of defense and jump shot? He does everything else terrific though.

It's a tough question. If someone decides to go nuts and offer him a deal starting at 12M then he's a goner.

With what he's doing is he not worth 9-10M a year? He probably is given the market.

Then the question is can we REALLY win with him? Or do we want to spend that 10M+ a year on a "better player"?

Tough decision with Lee, very tough.
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12/7/2008  3:02 PM
He defense since Zach has gone has got a lot better. We are starting to hold team under 100 points a game and he stopped Biedrins cold. Does he have a lot of work to do absolutely. It strikes me funny today I think he tied the Knicks record for most consecutive double-double and he is top ten in rebounding but most fans think Jeffries or any guy in the draft can do what he is doing. DO you sign Lee for 10 or lose him for nothing. Funny thing is you could have got him for 8 or so by signing him early.
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12/7/2008  3:05 PM
Posted by King1:

He defense since Zach has gone has got a lot better. We are starting to hold team under 100 points a game and he stopped Biedrins cold. Does he have a lot of work to do absolutely. It strikes me funny today I think he tied the Knicks record for most consecutive double-double and he is top ten in rebounding but most fans think Jeffries or any guy in the draft can do what he is doing. DO you sign Lee for 10 or lose him for nothing. Funny thing is you could have got him for 8 or so by signing him early.

i don't necessarily think a college player we draft could do what he's doing but i also think D Lee will not be worth the money he'll command in free agency... i also think we can get more defensive play & shotblocking along w/the rebounds & shallow water play that D Lee provides (maybe not as good to start on offense) from a rookie prospect for a lot cheaper, which will open up free agency options for us to pursue better talent than D Lee in 2010.
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12/7/2008  3:06 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

Is LEE worth 10M a year given the total lack of defense and jump shot? He does everything else terrific though.

It's a tough question. If someone decides to go nuts and offer him a deal starting at 12M then he's a goner.

With what he's doing is he not worth 9-10M a year? He probably is given the market.

Then the question is can we REALLY win with him? Or do we want to spend that 10M+ a year on a "better player"?

Tough decision with Lee, very tough.

Same thing with Duhon and rest of the team--Lee we CAN keep because he is our RFA. If they are smart they will offer him 6 yrs 54mm as soon as they can do it again.
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12/7/2008  3:08 PM
Give me 5 players that makes what Lee makes that can be top ten in rebounding? Even if you get someone else your going to have to pay them. Your going to have to pay Duhon 10 million someday also. You dont get double-double cheap like you can 15 a game scorers.
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12/7/2008  3:11 PM
Posted by King1:

Give me 5 players that makes what Lee makes that can be top ten in rebounding? Even if you get someone else your going to have to pay them. Your going to have to pay Duhon 10 million someday also. You dont get double-double cheap like you can 15 a game scorers.

dude, u'r consistently missing the point here... u sign D Lee to $10 mil per & you severely hamper ur chances of signing 2 top FA's in 2010... D Lee is a flawed player as much as i like the guy... he's not worth the money he's gonna make... u've been on record many times in recent weeks saying exactly the same thing... u keep harping on the fact the Knicks missed out on their chance to lock this guy up longterm & now will be forced to overpay him if they want to keep him, so why the sudden change in reasoning? do u think he'll be overpaid or don't u?
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12/7/2008  3:15 PM
If David Lee agrees to a 1-year contract extension for next season, will we be able to go over the cap to re-sign him in 2010 (AFTER we've signed our 2 big FA's)?

In other words, let's say we're able to sign Lebron + 1, can we then go ahead and re-sign our own FAs beyond the cap?
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12/7/2008  3:16 PM
Most players that make 8-10 million are flawed players. If they dont have that flaw they make 10-15 million. I totally understand the Knicks problem. That is why I say Walsh royally screwed up by not trading him last summer because now you wont get anything for him and it will be a typical Knicks trade which should be called a salary dump. I am sure Bosh wants to come to New York and dave Gallinari and Jeffries as his four man I am sure he would never get doubled. He would also have to expend his energy getting all the rebounds since thoes guys cant.
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12/7/2008  3:17 PM
Posted by technomaster:

If David Lee agrees to a 1-year contract extension for next season, will we be able to go over the cap to re-sign him in 2010 (AFTER we've signed our 2 big FA's)?

In other words, let's say we're able to sign Lebron + 1, can we then go ahead and re-sign our own FAs beyond the cap?

no, we wouldn't... we don't get any exceptions in a year we have cap space... if we use up the cap to sign 2 bigname guys we won't be able to re-sign D Lee.
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12/7/2008  3:24 PM
Posted by King1:

Most players that make 8-10 million are flawed players. If they dont have that flaw they make 10-15 million. I totally understand the Knicks problem. That is why I say Walsh royally screwed up by not trading him last summer because now you wont get anything for him and it will be a typical Knicks trade which should be called a salary dump. I am sure Bosh wants to come to New York and dave Gallinari and Jeffries as his four man I am sure he would never get doubled. He would also have to expend his energy getting all the rebounds since thoes guys cant.

so your logic is lock up D Lee longterm & forego any shot of signing Bosh instead? i don't get that type of reasoning at all.
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12/7/2008  3:26 PM
Have I missed the memo that two free agents want to come to New York? Why would someone want to come here and have no supporting cast? Bosh may want to go home to Atlanta. Some of these guys will stay with their current team. Never in the history of free agent has four or five big names left their original teams but it is going to happen in 2010 for the Knicks. I heard COle Hamels, Pujols, Howard, and Ryan Braun are all headed in 2011 to the yankees done deal just like Leborn and Bosh to the Knicks.
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12/7/2008  3:27 PM
all this talk about how we won't have any supporting cast for a FA to come here, so your reasoning is we should lock up our flawed players longterm & just go to battle w/what we got instead... doesn't make sense in my book.
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12/7/2008  3:29 PM
My logic is sign Lee so you have an inside guy and Bosh would want to play with him. Then in 2011 go out and get another guy or a lesser free agent in 2010 if you can get them. What is going to happen is your going to lose Lee for absolutely nothing and he is going to paid by a playoff team.
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12/7/2008  3:31 PM
Every single player on the Knicks team is flawed. Every player with the exception of about 15 are flawed in the entire NBA. All I am asking is give me 5 players that can average double digit rebounds that you dont have to pay a lot of money to that the Knicks can get.
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12/7/2008  3:43 PM
Posted by King1:

My logic is sign Lee so you have an inside guy and Bosh would want to play with him. Then in 2011 go out and get another guy or a lesser free agent in 2010 if you can get them. What is going to happen is your going to lose Lee for absolutely nothing and he is going to paid by a playoff team.

so ur logic is we would have to sign D Lee to get Bosh to want to come here... why wouldn't that same logic apply to signing 2 bigname FA's in 2010 instead? don't u think us signing Lebron, Wade, Joe Johnson, Amare, Dirk or someone else in that class would be even more of a attractor for Bosh? u know very well i don't favor the idea of losing D Lee for nothing, which is why it's important to trade him now for a pick if u can get it done... keeping our flexibility for 2010 should be paramount to any roster move we make for the next 2 years if u ask me... if u want to keep D Lee so badly, then our main focus needs to be on dumping Curry's contract right now... that also means we need to trade Nate for a pick cuz he's gonna end up walking for nothing too.
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12/7/2008  3:47 PM
Posted by King1:

Every single player on the Knicks team is flawed. Every player with the exception of about 15 are flawed in the entire NBA. All I am asking is give me 5 players that can average double digit rebounds that you dont have to pay a lot of money to that the Knicks can get.

i would be willing to sacrifice 3 rebounds a game & replace it w/defense & shotblocking any day of any week.
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12/7/2008  3:48 PM
What I am saying is no big man will want to come here if he doesnt have someone to do the dirty work for him. You could go get a guard Lebron, Duhon, Wilson, Gallinari and Jeffries isnt better than what he has at Cleveland. I am not saying you should sign Lee he is getting his money I am saying how bad a decision Walsh made not trading him over the summer. Remember when he was hurt earlier in the year and people thought you could get him for a MLE and Walsh was a genius. Those days have passed and the only trading chip the Knicks had is going to leave for nothing in return
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12/7/2008  3:56 PM
You could go get a guard Lebron, Duhon, Wilson, Gallinari and Jeffries isnt better than what he has at Cleveland

if u add Amare, Bosh or Dirk & whoever we pick in this year's draft to that, it wouldn't be better? i disagree w/u on that one.

anyway, i don't fault Walsh for keeping his options open on D Lee... he had to see how this team played & how D Lee would fit in the new system before he locked him up longterm... he tried to trade him on draft night & had a deal in place for OJ Mayo pretty much, but it didn't work out... no one can blame him for that... now he's gotta let the market determine D Lee's price which would be a mistake on his part, i'll agree w/u on that part, which is why i think it's imperative to trade him before we get to the offseason & get that pick from some team looking to shore up their frontcourt... if we end up losing him for nothing then it's a horrible turn of events, Walsh cannot let it get to that point.
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