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Could we get a SG for Lee?
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12/6/2008  9:58 AM
Could we get a shooting guard for Lee? Anyone know who might be available? Someone young and athletic with decent size, good range and can take it to the rim?
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12/6/2008  10:09 AM
Patience, grasshopper.

1. Chase Budinger 6'7 218 Arizona ("surf city, here we come...")

or

2. 6'8/225 DaJuan Summers. You gotta love those Georgetown (he's also from Baltimore which means he's hungry) guys.

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12/6/2008  10:37 AM
Great, then we'll have even fewer big men than we already have.
Lee is our best PF, and he's playing center for us. Who is going to get a rebound? TT?
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12/6/2008  10:54 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Patience, grasshopper.

1. Chase Budinger 6'7 218 Arizona ("surf city, here we come...")

or

2. 6'8/225 DaJuan Summers. You gotta love those Georgetown (he's also from Baltimore which means he's hungry) guys.

Don't think we should be picking SG with our probable lottery pick unless there is no good C prospect available and the guy is a can't miss.

Now, if we get another first round pick, thats another story, but if a PG prospect is available with that other pick, bring it. SG's aren't that tough to find.
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12/6/2008  11:01 AM
Knicksfan - i feel you, but shooting guards with an unusual skill set or exceptional height are rare. Work with me here bruh. In the NBA it's not just about the ability to shoot but the ability to GET your shot. For example, Anthony Roberson looks tasty in Summer League but that's against dwarfs.

Buddinger at 6'7 changes the matchup equation at the two in D'Antoni's favor, and adds a touch of spice with the wide wingspan.

Just think the surfer dude version of Tayshaun Prince.

You like that huh?
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12/6/2008  11:05 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Knicksfan - i feel you, but shooting guards with an unusual skill set or exceptional height are rare. Work with me here bruh. In the NBA it's not just about the ability to shoot but the ability to GET your shot. For example, Anthony Roberson looks tasty in Summer League but that's against dwarfs.

Buddinger at 6'7 changes the matchup equation at the two in D'Antoni's favor, and adds a touch of spice with the wide wingspan.

Just think the surfer dude version of Tayshaun Prince.

You like that huh?

That wouldn't be bad to have but would you take him with Thabeet and Mullens available, given our great lack at C and the great difficulty to find a solid C starter in the league?
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12/6/2008  11:23 AM
Draft Thabeet, play Gallo at the SG, and that lebron fella too!
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12/6/2008  11:31 AM
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12/6/2008  11:41 AM
I think you have to trade for another big if you get rid of Lee. That means next year you will have Jeffires, and Harrington as your bigs Then you go in 2010 and try and convince Lebron to play with no inside game at all. This draft may be the worst I have seen in 15 years. No sure fire all stars and no depth. I think Malik and Lee for Diaw is possible. Lee for Thomas or Noah pick which stiff you want. Lee for Fernandez or Outlaw is something portland would look at in the future. I really think Portland will put a huge trade together this year.
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12/6/2008  12:19 PM
knicksfan - I got no beef with the idea that you don't think twice about grabbing a talented 6'11+ the instant he is available.

But here me now and believe me later - Thabeet, unless the unexpected happens, probably won't be where the Knicks pick in the draft - and no NBA franchise - contrary to the fantasy-league, one-sided, amateur GMs who think dreck is a fair trade for potential all stars - is giving that pick away for free.

The Knicks are on the verge of playing consistent basketball and a playoff spot is not out of the question.

Back to reality.... the most available option is to help Gallinari heal and then evaluate whether the young man can grow into a steady diet of frontcourt or backcourt minutes in two years.

Patience grasshopper

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12/6/2008  12:33 PM
One more thing:

Keep David Lee
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12/6/2008  12:39 PM
Nate is our SG. Keep Lee.

Give Lee a 6 yr/ 51 mil extension when his deal is up.
Start at 6 mil and progress up to 11 mil in year 6.

Do the same with nate but for 6 yr/ 39 mil.
Start at 4 and progress up to 9 in year 6.

Have the new deals begin in 2010 so they effect the cap the least when the deals are smallest.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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12/6/2008  12:49 PM
Posted by King1:

I think you have to trade for another big if you get rid of Lee. That means next year you will have Jeffires, and Harrington as your bigs Then you go in 2010 and try and convince Lebron to play with no inside game at all. This draft may be the worst I have seen in 15 years. No sure fire all stars and no depth. I think Malik and Lee for Diaw is possible. Lee for Thomas or Noah pick which stiff you want. Lee for Fernandez or Outlaw is something portland would look at in the future. I really think Portland will put a huge trade together this year.

Diaw's a nice player but why on earth do you want to add his massive salary ($9 million a season through 2012) when clearly the name of the game is getting under the cap ENOUGH to be a player in the 2010 FA market??? If that's how you guys really feel, might as well just keep Lee at $9-10 mil. a pop. Might as well have kept Randolph and Crawford as well... We've come so far and waited so long for salary cap room I don't want to screw it up now by taking on any crazy longterm salary commitments for marginal talent. No thanks. Diaw's actually another example of why Lee will get $9-10 million a pop btw...

If we flip Lee, which I'm actually in favor of btw, I'd like a backcourt piece and a frontcourt player that are young and UNDER CONTROL salary-wise at least until after 2010. Either guys that will still be on their rookie contracts or guys that have re-uped recently for reasonable salaries in the $5 million range along with whatever addition salary is necessary to make a S&T with Lee work as long as it's gone by 2010. After 2010 FA comes and goes, I wouldn't mind re-uping anyone on the roster to fair market value. But first thing's first...

And I totally disagree that there aren't any PFs in this upcoming draft. First of all, the best player in the draft, Blake Griffin, is a PF. Sophmore Gani Lawal has over a 7' wingspan & is putting up monster numbers for G. Tech so far (22.2 ppg on a crazy 65% from the field, 11.2 rpg, 1.2 bpg, 1.4 spg); I haven't seen Patrick Patterson play that much to be honest but TMS is saying he's the goods (17.8/8/1.7 blocks); Hansbrough won't be a star but he'll contribute for some team at the next level (could be another David Lee with a better offensive game); Arizona's Jordan Hill seems for real (17.4/12.3/2.6 blocks); Gonzaga's 6'11" Josh Heytvelt is huge and putting up solid numbers (15/6.6/1.8 blocks); Vandy's Andrew Ogilvy is big and very skilled (could be another Chris Mihm, Mehmut Okur or better)... Then there's good PF talent projected to go in the 2nd round - guy's that I've seen and like a lot - Jeff Adrien, Gavin Edwards, Taj Gibson, Robert Dozier and a guy I'm looking forward to seeing, Jarvis Varnado, who's averaging a double-double with over 6 blocks/game to lead the country.

Plenty of opportunities to pick up a rotation big man in this draft. By season's end, if a guy like Taj Gibson continues to put up 16/11/4 blocks, you better believe I'd be interested with our 2nd rounder if he's even still on the board...


[Edited by - finestrg on 12-06-2008 3:06 PM]
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12/6/2008  2:58 PM
If the impossible happens, and LBJ does sign with us in 2010 and fulfills the dream, couldn't he play SG for us?
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12/6/2008  3:14 PM
I hear you misterearl. Let me ask you this - do you think Lee has what it takes to be a starter on a good team? Man, if he could just hit the 'J' or play passable team defense I'd be all over giving him the big $ extension. As a back-up on a good team I think he's a keeper coming off the bench. It will be interesting to see what happens if he hits the market.
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12/6/2008  3:21 PM
You trade D.Lee NOW, and draft T.Hansbrough in 09. He can do everything Lee can do, only 10x better. PLUS, he has jumper.

This will also eliminate the worries of signing Lee to a long term deal and ruining any chances of signing TWO Superstars in the FA classs of 2010.

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12/6/2008  3:33 PM
Posted by Panos:

Great, then we'll have even fewer big men than we already have.
Lee is our best PF, and he's playing center for us. Who is going to get a rebound? TT?


How so, Lee doesn't exactly create match-up problems for the other team. He's not a center and the rotation of Chandler, Harrington and Thomas seems to be working Ok. That rotation looked pretty good with (dare I say it) Jeffries on the floor. When Gallinari gets healthy, it presents another problem of getting him minutes. If Gallo is all that and a bag of chips too, then Lee is likely going to see less minutes. If you have to chooose between keeping Lee or Nate, I think Lee is odd man out once again. We could really use a good SG, so why not try and find one through a trade for Lee?
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12/6/2008  4:06 PM
One more thing I'd add is that Chandler, Harrington and Thomas can shoot the 'J' and play defense.
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12/6/2008  4:48 PM
Right now with ZBo gone, it is imperative that we keep DLee. Who the heck is going to rebound the ball? You want a SG, then trade Malik's expiring for a good SG with 1 year left in his contract.

How about Malik for Antonio Daniels of the Wiz? He is considered a PG but he is 6'4". He will be a rental until we get better parts.
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12/6/2008  4:49 PM
Did anyone see Tim Thomas play last night he was gross and if anyone thinks Jeffires will be a good player has lost their mind. Wilson is a 3 man and if you play him at the four at 6 rebounds a game that would be abysmal stat. Lee is the best finisher on the pick and roll and he sets about 70 drag screens a game. Who else on the team sets picks? He is also your best rebounder and one of the best in the nba.
Could we get a SG for Lee?

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